Re: [Tagging] How to put a name tag on an area with more than one type?

2020-12-14 Thread Christoph Hormann
apping to what you believe is most convenient for data users. -- Christoph Hormann https://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] How to put a name tag on an area with more than one type?

2020-12-14 Thread Christoph Hormann
ng. You would end up with a Wikipedia-like paradigm of "reliable sources" and a constant struggle for cultural dominance and opinion leadership w.r.t. such features in the OSM database. -- Christoph Hormann https://www.imagico.de/ __

Re: [Tagging] How to put a name tag on an area with more than one type?

2020-12-14 Thread Christoph Hormann
And we try to record that in a form that is most efficient for the mapper. Hence the question what additional verifiable knowledge you intend to record with the additional data structures you propose to create that is not yet in what we already record today. -- Christoph Hormann h

Re: [Tagging] How to put a name tag on an area with more than one type?

2020-12-13 Thread Christoph Hormann
> Anders Torger hat am 13.12.2020 20:08 geschrieben: > > [...] I think to actually have them all > tied together in a unit is still a good idea, [...] That does not answer my question. -- Christoph Hormann https://www.imagico.de/ ___

Re: [Tagging] How to put a name tag on an area with more than one type?

2020-12-13 Thread Christoph Hormann
name= I am trying to understand what the issue is with the recommendation for mapping you have received from multiple sides here. So what exactly is the verifiable knowledge that is supposed to be represented by your new relation type that is not already recorded in the mapping of physical featur

Re: [Tagging] How to put a name tag on an area with more than one type?

2020-12-12 Thread Christoph Hormann
nd especially not cargo cult some complex data model in the hope that data users will turn this into something meaningful - they won't. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] How to put a name tag on an area with more than one type?

2020-12-11 Thread Christoph Hormann
M that names are typically local properties and only locally verifiable. The Rhine river is called Rhein in Koblenz but Rhin in Strasbourg and Rijn in Rotterdam. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetm

Re: [Tagging] Extremely long Amtrak route relations / coastline v. water

2020-11-24 Thread Christoph Hormann
cases where no or very little pre-existing work exists it is probably wise to start with a proof-of-concept development before actually planning and working on a production ready implementation. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ _

Re: [Tagging] coastline v. water

2020-11-24 Thread Christoph Hormann
while it turns out (non-surprisingly in my eyes) that they have neither an interest in above average cartographic quality nor in substantially sharing methods and competency in the little work they do in that domain. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de

Re: [Tagging] Extremely long Amtrak route relations / coastline v. water

2020-11-24 Thread Christoph Hormann
r the status quo as good enough. "The good enough is an enemy of the great" is a very common pattern in map style development. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Extremely long Amtrak route relations / coastline v. water

2020-11-22 Thread Christoph Hormann
d against the idea and based on that we reached consensus that it was a bad idea and it was abandoned. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Extremely long Amtrak route relations / coastline v. water

2020-11-22 Thread Christoph Hormann
> Dave F via Tagging hat am 22.11.2020 17:08 > geschrieben: > > [...] OSM-carto demanding boundaries on ways ??? I am smelling fake news here. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetm

Re: [Tagging] coastline v. water

2020-11-18 Thread Christoph Hormann
oclc-8322829_g_21.jpg -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-07 Thread Christoph Hormann
that. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-07 Thread Christoph Hormann
t set by Google - almost universally ignored this fact does not change it. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-07 Thread Christoph Hormann
rongly formalizing that in case of the coastline could be a good idea. But to forgo having a verifiable definition of the coastline tag supported by consensus is not a good idea IMO. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-06 Thread Christoph Hormann
who would be willing to formulate a generic set of rules based on physical geography criteria about the natural=coastline placement that reflects your local view as i have explained please do so - even if you do so in Spanish that would be very helpful. -- Christoph Hormann http

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-04 Thread Christoph Hormann
mapper to observe. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-04 Thread Christoph Hormann
of physical extent of surface water cover on this planet (predominantly done with ways tagged natural=coastline) with culturally defined elements of the geography (that is using the same tag on ways to represent something not defined by physical geography criteria). -- Christoph Hormann http://ww

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-04 Thread Christoph Hormann
ver on this planet from culturally defined elements of the geography) we can close up shop right away. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-04 Thread Christoph Hormann
ained where you think the coastline should be drawn - what i would like to understand is why, in generic terms and based on verifiable physical geography criteria. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@op

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-04 Thread Christoph Hormann
etmap-carto/pull/4128 but it seems still contested. Getting this change merged and released would go a long way towards mappers developing consensus on coastline placement since it would provide feedback on the coastline position without favoring a particular placement. -- Christoph Hormann

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-04 Thread Christoph Hormann
rld? If you can do that we can try to have a productive discussion without delving into the swamp of politics and cultural differences and maybe can find a consensus position that everyone can be satisfied with. -- Christoph Hormann http://ww

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-04 Thread Christoph Hormann
de > la Plata and Atlantic Ocean [9][10] > > If you choose to map this riverbank as coastline, is just mapping for > convenience (for convenience of the renderer), to see the world map > as you prefer to see it, but it is not modelling the world as it is. > > By the way, the pr

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-04 Thread Christoph Hormann
: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/WK9 and it stayed tagged as natural=coastline until you changed that in: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/20290034 After that there were countless attempts to move up the coastline closure again - all of which however were soon reverted. -- Christoph Hormann

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-04 Thread Christoph Hormann
ion seem to view natural=coastline to mean and what mappers in other parts of the world have in mind there. My request for you to formulate a universal rule is meant to gauge that difference and evaluate options for a consensus. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/

Re: [Tagging] Have our tagging voting rules changed recently?

2020-08-04 Thread Christoph Hormann
iscussion. That would at least avoid people voting yes out of group-think, political allegiance or as a personal favor without having contemplated the merit of the proposal and of voices opposing it. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-03 Thread Christoph Hormann
m sure we could manage to translate. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-02 Thread Christoph Hormann
s failed to show up in the map. See for example: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2805665 Hence the Rio de la Plata matter turned into kind of a self aggravating problem. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-02 Thread Christoph Hormann
ld certainly very much improve if we had visual feedback on the water differentiation in OSM-Carto: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/4128 -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetm

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-01 Thread Christoph Hormann
e shore over the course of the year as long as their perspective is not dominated by political considerations (i.e. they are able to look at this purely from a physical geography perspective). -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging m

Re: [Tagging] How to map "piers" on land?

2020-07-28 Thread Christoph Hormann
he rendering of piers to be more distinct, possibly more like a footway bridge: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/2652 https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/3459 -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Ground: natural=bare_soil)

2020-07-24 Thread Christoph Hormann
transport any additional information is something we typically try to avoid. 2) There are no parts of the Earth that are not covered by a mapped area since the global coastline divides the Earth surface into land (on the left of the coastline) and ocean (on the right of the coastline). ;-) -

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Ground: natural=bare_soil)

2020-07-24 Thread Christoph Hormann
wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Landschaft_AnysbergPICT1454.JPG We definitely do not want such areas to be engrossed in some generic 'unvegetated or sparsely vegetated area' classification. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging ma

Re: [Tagging] Riverbanks

2020-07-21 Thread Christoph Hormann
ion in the primary tag could give OSM a huge advantage over other data sources which don't make such a distinction. There are quite a lot of use cases (both cartographic and analytic) where this distinction when made consistently is of high value. -- Chr

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Ground)

2020-07-14 Thread Christoph Hormann
ts navigability, specifying that would be a valuable supplemental tag. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Ground)

2020-07-10 Thread Christoph Hormann
and meaningful tag. Maybe you can show some on-the-ground examples of areas you think this tag is suitable and needed for and get input from the wider community how they would suggest to characterize and tag such areas. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de

Re: [Tagging] Are we mapping ground on OSM?

2020-07-05 Thread Christoph Hormann
. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - Qanat"

2020-06-20 Thread Christoph Hormann
called a qanat or an > Undergroundwatertransfersystemfedfromawellandwithverticalmaintenanceshafts > (as it might be named in some languages) but what it actually is. Then we are in agreement i think. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - Qanat"

2020-06-20 Thread Christoph Hormann
as it is perceived my English speakers. -- Christoph Hormann Imagico.de Geovisualisierungen http://services.imagico.de ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - Qanat"

2020-06-20 Thread Christoph Hormann
in the classifications used locally just as we are used to doing it in Europe and North America. Most existing uses of man_made=qanat by the way are in combination with waterway=canal. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging

Re: [Tagging] leisure=common

2020-05-04 Thread Christoph Hormann
tags that already indicate things you have formulated. Invent new tags when needed. Clarify documentation of existing tags when needed. The third step - formulating your classification in abstract form *before* you assess if existing tags are suitable - is key here.

Re: [Tagging] Which languages are admissible for name:xx tags?

2020-03-25 Thread Christoph Hormann
he major consensus narrative of the mapper's culture. I have written in more detail about the problems of this idea some time ago in http://blog.imagico.de/verifiability-and-the-wikipediarization-of-openstreetmap/ -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ _

Re: [Tagging] Which languages are admissible for name:xx tags?

2020-03-25 Thread Christoph Hormann
IMO not specific to name tagging but more about a fairly fundamental division within the OSM community about the basic premise of the project. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] URL tracking parameters

2020-02-25 Thread Christoph Hormann
n blame it on the corporations/organizations that have lobbied successfully against more meaningful regulation of said activities. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.25.0

2020-02-07 Thread Christoph Hormann
new tagging. We always try to avoid that because it never works towards a more consistent tagging but only perpetualizes the use of both tags as synonyms because mappers get feedback that both tags are correct. -- Christoph Hormann http://ww

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.25.0

2020-02-07 Thread Christoph Hormann
barriers again but it might be a better idea - as Joseph indicated - to use a different tag than for linear barriers to avoid confusion. Using the same tag for 1d and 2d representations always bears the potential for problems (like leisure=track for example). -- Christoph Hormann http:/

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.25.0

2020-02-06 Thread Christoph Hormann
ng and we now get criticized for trying to fix this counterproductive incentive. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.25.0

2020-02-05 Thread Christoph Hormann
ing hedges with polygons in the first place - as i have shown with various links earlier. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.25.0

2020-02-05 Thread Christoph Hormann
t; > Ummm, wasn't me. I don't recall seeing another Paul post on this on > the tagging list, but I don't always pay full attention to the > identities of posters. Oh, sorry - i meant Paul Norman on the OSM-Carto issue tracker. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.25.0

2020-02-05 Thread Christoph Hormann
=ditch, leisure=playground, area=yes -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.25.0

2020-02-05 Thread Christoph Hormann
way. That would mean following Paul's suggestion here and dropping rendering of barrier=* on polygons all together. Do you think this would be an improvement compared to the current rendering? -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging m

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.25.0

2020-02-05 Thread Christoph Hormann
turning a closed way tagged barrier=hedge + area=yes into a multipolygon releation (for adding an interior ring) change rendering? * why does removing the unnecessary area=yes from a closed way tagged barrier=hedge + area=yes + leisure=playground change the ren

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.25.0

2020-02-05 Thread Christoph Hormann
i means the only alternative that has even a remote chance for consensus among the maintainers. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.25.0

2020-02-05 Thread Christoph Hormann
ve for those if it is being used consistently by mappers. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.25.0

2020-02-05 Thread Christoph Hormann
rg/#map=15/48.8437/6.2252 https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/52.8414/8.4571 https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/53.9644/11.0538 https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/51.9532/-0.1199 https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/44.8335/40.0695 -- Christoph Hormann htt

Re: [Tagging] Active volcanoes

2020-01-24 Thread Christoph Hormann
umarole, natural=hot_spring etc.). -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Active volcanoes

2020-01-24 Thread Christoph Hormann
exist. Reason for the lack of verifiability is that what an active volcano is in almost all uses of this term does not depend on the current state of the volcano but on its history - most commonly during the holocene (10k years) or during historic times. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imag

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-01-13 Thread Christoph Hormann
cal reasons. Therefore i did not pursue it further. But anyone is welcome to take it up again. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Relation for place archipelago with members place island

2019-12-14 Thread Christoph Hormann
uilding them from the same coastline ways that are used to map the individual islands is the established method for mapping them. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.

Re: [Tagging] Draft proposal for Key:aerodrome

2019-09-10 Thread Christoph Hormann
ee: * presence and nature of regular passenger flight service * openness to public from the air * access restrictions on the ground * presence of services for airplanes * surface and length of the runway And not in the proposal but a useful property: * restrictions to certain types of p

Re: [Tagging] Populated settlement classification

2019-09-07 Thread Christoph Hormann
country OTOH i would consider that simply a bad idea. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Dehesa

2019-08-30 Thread Christoph Hormann
+ landuse:secondary=meadow * creating one or more region specific secondary tags for exising primary tags like landuse=farmland or landuse=orchard for documenting the region specific ecological characteristics of the area. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Document personal tags in Proposed_features/ space, User: space, or Tag:/Key: space?

2019-08-16 Thread Christoph Hormann
the wiki no matter where it is and remove everything that is not strictly documenting the de facto meaning of tags in the OSM database the result would be a pretty compact body of documentation. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Definition of a Beach

2019-08-15 Thread Christoph Hormann
fining element of a beach. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Document personal tags in Proposed_features/ space, User: space, or Tag:/Key: space?

2019-08-15 Thread Christoph Hormann
sily found by other mappers that would massively emphasize tag proliferation since mappers will repeatedly invent new and different tags for certain things because they are unaware that another mapper has already invented a tag for this. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ __

Re: [Tagging] Definition of a Beach

2019-08-15 Thread Christoph Hormann
l defined and intuitively usable mapping scheme. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] New page "Approval status" for "de facto", "in use", "approved" etc

2019-07-28 Thread Christoph Hormann
to determine an aggregate score of some sort from them and a categorization based on that. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] New page "Approval status" for "de facto", "in use", "approved" etc

2019-07-28 Thread Christoph Hormann
storic development that might be technically challenging). -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] New page "Approval status" for "de facto", "in use", "approved" etc

2019-07-28 Thread Christoph Hormann
rast to the verbalized documentation of tags - which can exist in any language or set of languages independent of each others the idea of a tag status is that of a single status defined by authority over the global OSM community. -- Christoph Hormann

Re: [Tagging] My ban by user Woodpeck = Frederik Ramm

2019-06-25 Thread Christoph Hormann
properly assess this, the block history of user ulamm: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ulamm/blocks And the OSMF ban policy describing the procedures regarding such actions: https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Ban_Policy -- Christoph Hormann http:/

Re: [Tagging] Verifiability of geometry

2019-06-17 Thread Christoph Hormann
d are not really a good medium to handle this kind of topic. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Verifiability of geometry

2019-06-16 Thread Christoph Hormann
ded. Given that the reasons why we have and should keep the verifiability principle have been discussed really extensively this all seems frankly a bit opportunistic. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetm

Re: [Tagging] A modest proposal to increase the usefulness of the tagging list

2019-06-02 Thread Christoph Hormann
ject could be useful. It would encourage everyone to contemplate their replies more thoroughly and not engage in back-and forth two person dialogs - for which this kind of mailing list with a large number of subscribers is not really the ideal place. --

Re: [Tagging] In defence of OSM Carto (was: Re: Irrigation: ditches, canals and drains)

2019-05-31 Thread Christoph Hormann
ast majority of mappers and developers in OSM simply are from urban environments in Europe and North America which brings an inherent bias with it. How well OSM-Carto manages to fulfill its function to create a map for the whole OSM community to a large extent depends on how well we manage to comp

Re: [Tagging] Difference between barrier=embankment and man_made=embankment?

2019-05-29 Thread Christoph Hormann
=yes as a standalone tag or with man_made=embankment + embankment=both or embankment=two_sided. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] solving iD conflict

2019-05-24 Thread Christoph Hormann
ere - i have said what i said and not what you have read into that. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] solving iD conflict

2019-05-24 Thread Christoph Hormann
what conditions you have to fulfill is very helpful in encouraging people taking the initiative to start such a project. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] solving iD conflict

2019-05-24 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Friday 24 May 2019, Kevin Kenny wrote: > On 5/24/19 6:04 AM, Christoph Hormann wrote: > > This is evidently something that is becoming more and more > > important as OSM grows as a project and it becomes increasingly > > difficult for a single person to be knowledgab

Re: [Tagging] solving iD conflict (was: pointlessly inflamatory title)

2019-05-24 Thread Christoph Hormann
lity and willingness in those fields to yield decision making to others who are more qualified. This is evidently something that is becoming more and more important as OSM grows as a project and it becomes increasingly difficult for a single person to be knowledgable about every aspect of it.

Re: [Tagging] Maritime=yes for marine river estuaries?

2019-05-09 Thread Christoph Hormann
two - maritime boundaries are never geometrically identical to water polygons. The tag maritime=yes is exactly fitting here - this is to indicate a water polygon ecologically belongs to the maritime domain. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ _

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Feature Proposal - area of steps for pedestrians.

2019-05-04 Thread Christoph Hormann
ight, inner radius and outer radius. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Feature Proposal - area of steps for pedestrians.

2019-05-03 Thread Christoph Hormann
ction between 'legal' real world stairs and ones that might exist but are not allowed to exist because the algorithm can't deal with them. But in general testing the suitability of a data model by testing its usability in practical interpretation is a good approach. -- Christoph Hormann

Re: [Tagging] Verifiability wiki page: "Geometry" section added

2019-04-28 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Sunday 28 April 2019, Christoph Hormann wrote: > [...] > > Seriously? > > Because one polygon is not a verifiable representation of a certain > feature you want to replace it with - drumroll - two polygons? I am sorry if that came across more dismissive than necessary - i was

Re: [Tagging] Verifiability wiki page: "Geometry" section added

2019-04-28 Thread Christoph Hormann
d of course the suggestion that proper and precise documentation helps applies to recording of geometries as well - not only to tags. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Verifiability wiki page: "Geometry" section added

2019-04-28 Thread Christoph Hormann
placement for formulating the general abstract idea behind verifiability in a compact form that is not tied to specific examples. Andy's idea of creating subpages explaining how to practically apply verifiability to tags and geometries is probably the right approach. -- Christoph Hormann http://ww

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:natural=mesa and Tag:natural=butte

2019-04-26 Thread Christoph Hormann
o define it more precisely it would almost certainly be advisable to use a different tag that is not misleading the mapper to have a much broader scope. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Stop the large feature madness (was: Tag for a plateau or tableland?)

2019-04-20 Thread Christoph Hormann
ink it helps concentrating on the arguments and not so much on the people who make them. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Stop the large feature madness (was: Tag for a plateau or tableland?)

2019-04-19 Thread Christoph Hormann
of the geographic reality as you see it and i also see why you have a general preference for representing these things in the OSM database with polygons. But i also see very good reasons why you should change your position on that - some of which i explained in my comments here. I could be

Re: [Tagging] Stop the large feature madness (was: Tag for a plateau or tableland?)

2019-04-19 Thread Christoph Hormann
images to resolve the situation or we can consult people with local knowledge. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Stop the large feature madness (was: Tag for a plateau or tableland?)

2019-04-18 Thread Christoph Hormann
rom Cape Horn to the closest point in the Antarctic (on the South Shetland Islands). But as already hinted i am not sure if the Drake Passage is something i would consider mappable in OSM based on local knowledge. Of course as long as it was mapped with a simple node it did not really bother a

Re: [Tagging] Stop the large feature madness

2019-04-18 Thread Christoph Hormann
nt - you verify the information on the ground and if there is still disagreement it is by definition something that is not verifiable (because several mappers evaluating the situation independently do not consistently come to the same results). -- Christoph Hormann http:/

Re: [Tagging] Stop the large feature madness (was: Tag for a plateau or tableland?)

2019-04-18 Thread Christoph Hormann
le to verbally communicate with each other is quite remarkable. But this amazing cross cultural cooperation hinges on on the local verifiability of those things people map. Adding large scale concepts to the database that are not verifiable based on local knowledge means throwing a wrench into the

Re: [Tagging] Stop the large feature madness

2019-04-18 Thread Christoph Hormann
map them > leads to other sources being used. Exactly. We need to establish that there are things outside the scope of OSM for which you need other projects to collect data about them. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing li

Re: [Tagging] Stop the large feature madness (was: Tag for a plateau or tableland?)

2019-04-18 Thread Christoph Hormann
ultures world wide without creating an imperialistic dominance of some cultures over others. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Stop the large feature madness (was: Tag for a plateau or tableland?)

2019-04-17 Thread Christoph Hormann
ural=mesa with appropriately tight definitions: Both being surrounded on all sides by cliffs or very steep slopes, buttes with a height larger than width and mesas with a flat top (i.e. height variation across the top being significantly smaller than the total height). -- Christoph Hor

Re: [Tagging] Stop the large feature madness (was: Tag for a plateau or tableland?)

2019-04-17 Thread Christoph Hormann
and tight definition for them and not a generic tag for any elevated region. In any case i think the most valuable thing to map of any of such is the constituent elements and aspects of it like natural=cliff, natural=arete, natural=peak, natural=bare_rock, natural=scree etc. -- Christoph

Re: [Tagging] Avoid using place=locality - find more specific tags instead

2019-04-16 Thread Christoph Hormann
ery unlikely that software developers are going to open the can of worms of interpreting relations that have other relations as members. Especially for tools that need to deal with differential data updates like osm2pgsql. -- Christoph Hormann http://ww

Re: [Tagging] Subtag for place=locality?

2019-04-16 Thread Christoph Hormann
d an alternative would be invented. But it should be used as sparsely as possible to make the data as meaningful as possible. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Subtag for place=locality?

2019-04-15 Thread Christoph Hormann
the way to go is IMO to create more specific top level tags (or use existing ones like the mentioned "disused:/abandonded:"). -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstr

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