[Tagging] Default access for service=driveway?

2020-12-22 Thread Frederik Ramm
gn that says "access to houses X,Y,Z" without saying that other access is forbidden? 2c. ... if there is a sign that says "private driveway"? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" __

Re: [Tagging] Fuzzy areas again: should we have them or not?

2020-12-21 Thread Frederik Ramm
't want that, they need to present a viable alternative". We've come very far in OSM without such abuse and I don't see why it should suddenly be introduced. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33"

Re: [Tagging] How to put a name tag on an area with more than one type?

2020-12-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
with a total of 20,000 points to exactly describe the outline of the Alps if all you want is a nice big lettering in approximately the right spot), or by keeping these cartography options in a separate system altogether. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09&q

Re: [Tagging] coastline v. water

2020-11-23 Thread Frederik Ramm
rk, rather than trying to solve the conflict. Now, you might smirk and say "let's fix the tools then", but until the tools are fixed - which might take years -, you've made life a hell of a lot harder for anyone editing or quality monitoring in the whole area. And all for what - a

Re: [Tagging] coastline v. water

2020-11-23 Thread Frederik Ramm
stal-places-live-magazine ;) sorry folks, you're on an inland waterway. Bit like Richmond really! Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-07 Thread Frederik Ramm
giant, unmaintainable polygons. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Update - RFC - Special Economic Zones

2020-11-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
administrative boundaries (counties X and Y as well as the city of Z together form the SEZ)? 3. If not, how would you get your hands on the SEZ boundary? 4. In how far is it useful for mappers to modify the SEZ boundary based on their knowledge or aerial imagery? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm

Re: [Tagging] Proposal to change key:man_made to key:human_made

2020-10-18 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 10/18/20 23:08, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > And the same applies to brains of people It appears to me that the end game in this is precisely that, to change the brains of people. OSM is just a means to and end in that quest. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail fr

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (shop=direct marketing)

2020-10-02 Thread Frederik Ramm
kes bread occasionally.) In order to be mapped in OSM, it needs to have a physical manifestation - at the very least, a sign, or more desirably some structure that can be recognised as a shop even while not in use. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09&qu

Re: [Tagging] Benches and hostile architecture

2020-08-24 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 24.08.20 02:46, Paul Allen wrote: > I'm not seriously suggesting we map them this way but speed bumps are > technically hostile architecture. :) As are cattle grids if you're a cow! Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09"

[Tagging] what is the "temp" tag?

2020-08-05 Thread Frederik Ramm
erson creating v1 of something" is just the person who split something and if I asked them what they meant by temp=tag they'll probably just shrug. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
ls like" a coastal city ;) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Have our tagging voting rules changed recently?

2020-08-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
s outlined in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal_process. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] Have our tagging voting rules changed recently?

2020-08-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
who says "ah, this is not a valid reason" and strips me of my vote? Who will that person be? Has this been used in other votes in the past? I'm tempted to say it would invalidate any vote but maybe it *is* indeed based on consensus and I missed that. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eM

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
quot;don't be too literal, natural=coastline doesn't mean there has to be a coast, it's just for closing ocean polygons" but that doesn't make it better really. Sure, with current ocean drawing technology we need a "coastline" across every river estuary at some point... but perhaps we

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-07-31 Thread Frederik Ramm
changing to a natural=river polygon very far inland - though I haven't researched currents or salinity. Are there other examples of large bays/estuaries? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33"

Re: [Tagging] Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

2020-07-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
chengen region than the outer boundary of the EU states. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

2020-07-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
d it seems defensible. Anything is, on this mailing list ;) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

2020-07-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
be surprised if some helpful soul has meanwhile decided to map "the Atlantic", "the Pacific", or "Eurasia", assembling thousands of little coastline pieces into giant relations in painstaking, week-long work... sigh. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@r

Re: [Tagging] Automated edit of image tags suggestion

2020-06-25 Thread Frederik Ramm
ain, moving valid information into note tags which are free-form human language is the worst idea of all. Parsing a semi-colon should be much easier than parsing a note tag! I am against the edit, and I also find the style of dumping an unformatted wiki page onto the mailin

Re: [Tagging] Adding mapillary tags to every building

2020-06-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
t show a particular building. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-21 Thread Frederik Ramm
te Wiki discussions with all my heart and cannot bring myself to read them, much less participate in them. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] insurance health

2020-04-15 Thread Frederik Ramm
kickback from every contract they sell. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Rarely verified and third-party data staleness in OpenStreetMap

2020-04-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
OpenStreetMap or a separate database is actually a smaller question. Simply establishing a tag and hoping that you have to develop and run neither a backend (because OSM will do it) nor a frontend (because people can use Vespucci) is extremely optimistic. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ram

Re: [Tagging] Rarely verified and third-party data staleness in OpenStreetMap

2020-04-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
rhaps it delivers some results without being the massively invasive concept you're proposing. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Which languages are admissible for name:xx tags?

2020-03-25 Thread Frederik Ramm
data. If we can start seeing the name inflation as a problem, stop adding "more of the same", and develop strategies to deal with stale and possibly incorrect names, that would already be a huge gain! Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'

Re: [Tagging] Which languages are admissible for name:xx tags?

2020-03-25 Thread Frederik Ramm
rstood them but think that there is a desirable value that outweighs my reasons, it would be nice if you could state more explicitly what you perceive that value to be and where *you* would draw the line! Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09"

[Tagging] Which languages are admissible for name:xx tags?

2020-03-25 Thread Frederik Ramm
st answer the question: tlhIngan Hol - Hlja' or ghobe'? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] URL tracking parameters

2020-02-25 Thread Frederik Ramm
lton.com/en/hotels/bhxsadi-camping-in-the-woods/ directs you to https://www.hilton.com/en/hotels/bhxsadi-doubletree-stratford-upon-avon/...) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33"

Re: [Tagging] URL tracking parameters

2020-02-25 Thread Frederik Ramm
rb, got to delete https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/312915889 from > the map. Clearly added in an advertising campaign. The business owner hoped to attract more business by creating that node 11 years ago with "addr:housenumber=17". Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede.

Re: [Tagging] URL tracking parameters

2020-02-25 Thread Frederik Ramm
equest that they remove the tracking information, rather than us having to deal with it. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.o

Re: [Tagging] URL tracking parameters

2020-02-25 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 25.02.20 11:08, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Frederik Ramm wrote: >> Since OSM is not the place for marketing, I would in these >> situations remove the whole POI, and not just the tracking >> parameters. > > ¿Que? You'd remove an entire hotel from the ma

Re: [Tagging] URL tracking parameters

2020-02-25 Thread Frederik Ramm
g parameters is an indication of the author considering OSM to be a "campaign" in some marketing scenario where the success of different "campaigns" is measured. Since OSM is not the place for marketing, I would in these situations remove the whole POI, and not just the trac

Re: [Tagging] All European Union countries use E5/E10/B7 instead of gasoline 98/95, Diesel 10S respectively

2020-01-25 Thread Frederik Ramm
any where I live, "fuel:b7" would be definitely wrong. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] RFC free_water

2020-01-21 Thread Frederik Ramm
no" approach, because if you are charged a dollar for your refill you can simply put "fee=$1". Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-01-13 Thread Frederik Ramm
org/wiki/Tag:natural=coastline)". I'm not so clear about how to interpret the wiki page myself when it comes to river mouths. There's a clarifying proposal here https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Features/Coastline-River_transit_placement but this is still at the proposal stage. Opi

Re: [Tagging] Business names in capital letters

2019-12-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
ifornia Inc", at which point I would say they are starting to game our rules, hoping to be put on the map with exactly that name - and I'd reduce the name to "Fred's Bagels", putting the rest in "offical_name" or something. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@r

Re: [Tagging] the nature of large-scale paid edits (was Re: Service road)

2019-11-07 Thread Frederik Ramm
is leads to problems, they should be held accountable & their edits are liable to being reverted. Of course one would start with a friendly pointer... Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" _

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating mini_roundabout

2019-10-24 Thread Frederik Ramm
be one with a traversable centre. At the same time, I would not expect my satnav to ask me to "turn left" here, but rather to take the nth exit at the roundabout... Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33"

[Tagging] Divided highways, and not so divided highways, one way or two

2019-10-10 Thread Frederik Ramm
ategory to apply to a road) or do you have strict standards and definitions? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reusable packaging

2019-09-12 Thread Frederik Ramm
into that effort of trying to actively represent what products are sold and under what conditions? Do we even have a remote hope of achieving a level of completeness and timeliness that makes this usable? Where does it stop? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49

Re: [Tagging] Open Defecation Areas

2019-09-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
" I don't follow that logic. If the 300k inhabitants of my city each use a bus stop 100 times per year, then that means our city has 30 million bus stops? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33"

Re: [Tagging] building typology vs usage

2019-09-07 Thread Frederik Ramm
ht out/well implemented in OSM and needs clarification. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Document personal tags in Proposed_features/ space, User: space, or Tag:/Key: space?

2019-08-15 Thread Frederik Ramm
ght in exceptional circumstances. It is one of these "you can do it but you should be very sure that you're doing the right thing" kind of things! Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" __

Re: [Tagging] Use of tag "import=yes" on objects, not changesets?

2019-08-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
p "^w" | grep highway= | grep -e " uxybot " -e " uArjanO "| wc -l [==] 100% 7413 (for a sample count of all highways created by users xybot and ArjanO). Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ram

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate access=public (synonym for access=yes)

2019-07-31 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 31.07.19 09:22, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > I'd like to deprecate access=public. Can you explain what concrete actions you mean by that? What exactly would you do if everyone said "yeah, go ahaead"? Bye Frderik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'0

Re: [Tagging] Are disused=yes and abandoned=yes deprecated by disused:key=value & abandoned:key=value?

2019-07-29 Thread Frederik Ramm
n they will understand and not use them; this is far better than telling them "uh-oh you've used a tag that is classified as a type-X tag under section Y of the tag classification regulations, don't do it!" Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09&quo

Re: [Tagging] My ban by user Woodpeck = Frederik Ramm

2019-06-29 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 6/29/19 08:05, "Christian Müller" via Tagging wrote: > The intriguing question is: Please (again!), move this to legal-talk or elsewhere. It has no place on the tagging list. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'0

Re: [Tagging] Which global OSM mailing list for the "community index"?

2019-06-28 Thread Frederik Ramm
ost will not be reading the forum. In my eyes, this plan treats the forum as second-class and is disrespectful to its users. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@open

Re: [Tagging] My ban by user Woodpeck = Frederik Ramm

2019-06-26 Thread Frederik Ramm
peaks of 15% for scientific, non-commercial use) > > How many for commercial use? > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09"

Re: [Tagging] My ban by user Woodpeck = Frederik Ramm

2019-06-25 Thread Frederik Ramm
to lots of complaints to DWG about your work, we can lift the ban on your account and let you continue. But simply letting you continue after a couple days, like we did in the past, has sadly not helped. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°

Re: [Tagging] kerb regulations: moving towards a tagging schema?

2019-06-21 Thread Frederik Ramm
out me noticing. I'm sure practical application will lead to all sorts of questions or follow-on problems but the approach sounds promising. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging ma

[Tagging] Which global OSM mailing list for the "community index"?

2019-06-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
on and don't participate further, and a very small number of these 620 answer all the questions. The mailing lists have fewer people participating but those that do are more likely to engage in a bidirectional fashion. It would be interesting to quantify this in a more scientific manner. Bye Frederik

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation of non-approved values for diplomatic=?

2019-06-15 Thread Frederik Ramm
to avoid a global opponent blocking everything > - propose the depreciation of the old tag Such proposals would need to clear a much higher bar than we currently have. I'm thinking "at least 500 votes of which 75% in favour" or so. You cannot have 15 people decide on such wide-ranging chang

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation of non-approved values for diplomatic=?

2019-06-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
here an overwhelming majority has actually decided that this tag should be listed as "deprecated". Claiming something is "deprecated" should never be a silent side-effect of some other vote. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede.

Re: [Tagging] Mismatched tag status

2019-06-11 Thread Frederik Ramm
some* human factor in it would it even make sense. And it could certainly differ across regions. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] A modest proposal to increase the usefulness of the tagging list

2019-06-02 Thread Frederik Ramm
tags you like" spirit without documenting it. (Or, if desperately needed, documenting it only on their private user page.) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing

Re: [Tagging] A modest proposal to increase the usefulness of the tagging list

2019-06-02 Thread Frederik Ramm
practical limit to idle tag fantasising. Everyone can think of something that doesn't have a tag yet - that is the cheap part... Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature __

Re: [Tagging] Filter bubbles in OSM

2019-05-24 Thread Frederik Ramm
r talent is better applied to other areas of OSM, just do it - that's great. There's no need for a "sour grapes" approach because you found that tagging discussions were not for you. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" _

Re: [Tagging] Filter bubbles in OSM

2019-05-24 Thread Frederik Ramm
all the time, then we can probably stop discussing anything right away, because the person with the thinnest skin will be the last one left standing. This, however, is leading us far off topic. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33"

Re: [Tagging] solving iD conflict (was: pointlessly inflamatory title)

2019-05-23 Thread Frederik Ramm
ach sub-forum, they are not global). Discoverability isn't much better than mailing lists IMHO. In my country (Germany), OSMers are neatly split between forum and mailing list, most using just one or just the other, some using both. Nothing wrong with that IMHO; smalle

[Tagging] Stop the large feature madness (was: Tag for a plateau or tableland?)

2019-04-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
data. Instead, let us find a way of recording such imprecise information outside of OSM's data model, and make it easy to access it e.g. when rendering maps. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33"

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Tagging disputed boundaries

2019-03-15 Thread Frederik Ramm
t. Great help. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Dykes

2019-02-25 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 2/22/19 13:29, Frederik Ramm wrote: >> if you map a dyke, ID-editor recently gives a warning that a dyke ought to >> be a closed (circular) line. > > I put this into an id ticket: > https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/5933 The bug has been fixed in ID an

Re: [Tagging] start_date variants

2019-02-22 Thread Frederik Ramm
of way. For OSM, my main concern is that it must remain usable independent of wikidata, and that the OSM community must not be lured into spending their time to further wikidata integration if they don't have that personal interest. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMa

Re: [Tagging] Dykes

2019-02-22 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 22.02.19 12:46, Ulrich Lamm wrote: > if you map a dyke, ID-editor recently gives a warning that a dyke ought to be > a closed (circular) line. I put this into an id ticket: https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/5933 Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remo

Re: [Tagging] transaction parameters for ATMs

2019-02-13 Thread Frederik Ramm
n time? I'd say we stick to stuff that is explicitly signposted on the machine - if the machine says what the limit is or what the network is or what currencies it has, then map that, but don't map data gathered by interacting with the machine. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remo

Re: [Tagging] motorcycle:scale

2019-02-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
and when challenged in changeset comments, cited the wiki pages they had edited themselves as an authority - ... Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@open

[Tagging] motorcycle:scale

2019-02-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, I noticed today that a wiki page for the rarely used key "motorcycle:scale" had been accidentally created as "Key:motorcycle:scale", and moved it to "Proposed features/motorcycle:scale". I haven't made any further edits to it though. Bye Frederik --

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal – RFC – natural=peninsula (Was: Feature Proposal – RFC – place=peninsula)

2019-01-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, on second thought, if the Iberian Peninsula is already a Peninsula, does that invalidate all Peninsula claims on land masses protruding from it, or can there be cascading Peninsulas? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal – RFC – natural=peninsula (Was: Feature Proposal – RFC – place=peninsula)

2019-01-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
e of coastline in Spain, you've edited 25 relations spanning half the globe. Granted, it's a technical shortcoming, but while this exists people should respect it. > On a sidenote: the Iberian Peninsula is already mapped in OSM as a > relation, and it is in Version 848 ;-) Must...resist...urg

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal – RFC – natural=peninsula (Was: Feature Proposal – RFC – place=peninsula)

2019-01-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
alogue everything that technically is a peninsula. I fear that people will otherwise with great diligence and fun tag things like the "Iberian Peninsula" which will not be of any use and just lead to more relation clutter. (Cf. discussion about bays.) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm

[Tagging] motorcycle tagging

2019-01-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
ablished. Opinions? Should we revert the wiki page to the old version and revert all the motorcycle:* tags that ti-lo changed from old-style to motorcycle:*? Or ask him to run a proper proposal process until $DEADLINE under threat of doing the above? Or just shr

Re: [Tagging] A fool with a tool ... Vehicle service tags

2019-01-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
ing things back to how you think they should be tagged. This can be discussed here and we can make a change AFTER that, not while. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Mapping disputed boundaries (Version 1.3)

2018-12-08 Thread Frederik Ramm
we roll it out world-wide. And yes, we definitely need good comparisons between different proposals, or perhaps a few more different proposals to add to what's already on the table. Your proposal is complex enough already to make it near impossible for anyone to suggest improvements - most people's

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - boundary=aboriginal_lands

2018-11-26 Thread Frederik Ramm
, there are established things in OSM that would puzzle those archaeolologists, like sac_scale or tracktype. Or maybe how to read a PBF file. But we can't do all of their job for them ;) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" __

Re: [Tagging] Using multipolygons to map bays in Alaska

2018-11-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
en re-using the nodes would have been unspeakably worse. My argument was that if you can get away with using a single node for labelling, then you don't have to burden all those 1,400 coastline ways with one (or two or three) extra relation memberships and that would be preferable. Bye Frederik -

Re: [Tagging] Using multipolygons to map bays in Alaska

2018-11-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
will lead to people creating huge polygons that will often break, make coastline editing harder, and have at least one totally made-up edge. And, I have to admit, (4) Frederik has been an utter dick to try and start the discussion by deleting the Bothany Bay polygon, instead of simply raising it here

Re: [Tagging] Using multipolygons to map bays in Alaska

2018-11-15 Thread Frederik Ramm
o add a "sqm" tag to water body nodes for that purpose which I also criticised...). I don't think you are recommending a relation that includes the actual coastline and the label node, but if you do then I am against that because I don't want every coastline to be part of 10 relations in the end. B

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

2018-11-07 Thread Frederik Ramm
ggest a serious trial first, and *then* attempts at standardisation, instead of the other way round. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Taggin

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables Proposal RFC

2018-10-31 Thread Frederik Ramm
with a dashed color on a public transport map or so). Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

2018-10-27 Thread Frederik Ramm
uldn't even come close enough to determine whether this is a government facility or a diplomatic one. Of course you can always ask the guards but maybe that only makes you suspicious ;) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ##

Re: [Tagging] Out of the bars and onto the map: An lgbtq:*=* tagging scheme?

2018-10-24 Thread Frederik Ramm
mit straight people (unless they're a hen party maybe). You'd need something like "lgbtq=mainly" - which would still not be exactly what you were looking for since it talks about who goes there in practice, not whom the place tries to attract. Perhaps "lgbtq=designated" combined with &quo

[Tagging] Upcoming removal of power=station and power=sub_station in the standard style

2018-10-22 Thread Frederik Ramm
ay be slower but yields a higher-quality result. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Opening hours too long for OSM

2018-10-12 Thread Frederik Ramm
original example as H4sIABrJwFsAA/MqzdMNTi2wUvDN1w1OVDA0sDIw0DW0AJLWXF4wueBSmIQRWMIvv0zXN7EIpEkn pFQnJEPHrQhZhY6CoSmYY46qHGEBxBzHgiKgRCXYcmQTjA10oAZYoKpDNsAYRQLNhf7JJQRNBatB NxEiiGIaFwARtRivJAEAAA== then, only takes 179 bytes ;) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@re

Re: [Tagging] Traffic_sign discussion

2018-10-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
saying these edits cannot ever be made, but they can certainly not be made in a buggy fashion after a half-hearted attempt at discussion with no discernible outcome. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33"

Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations"

2018-09-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
rtant and what isn't are not a single person's any more! Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

2018-09-26 Thread Frederik Ramm
recording of languages is desirable but if this leads to having to duplicate existing name tags into name:xx for every single named place on earth just in order to "not defeat the purpose", then I'd like to pass on this idea and wait until a less intrusive one comes along. Bye Frederik

[Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

2018-09-26 Thread Frederik Ramm
a name:xx tag." Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

2018-09-26 Thread Frederik Ramm
just one language, but is useful in regions that have more than one? Hence, why roll it out in, say, most parts of Germany *at all*, and just stick to parts where several languages are used? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remo

[Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

2018-09-26 Thread Frederik Ramm
ould be very unhappy if every feature on the planet that currently only has a name tag would now be amended with an identical name:xx tag just because xx is the language spoken in that country! Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: OSM Wikibase is now live

2018-09-18 Thread Frederik Ramm
nge the wiki? I fear that people might otherwise start editing there and then the Wikibase stuff would go out of sync with the rest of the wiki (which will likely remain the "authoritative" part for quite some time). Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N4

Re: [Tagging] Mapping language borders, tagging offical languages?

2018-09-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
- tag the (largest useful) administrative boundary first, and then allow lower level admin boundaries and finally, place nodes, to override the default. Requires a little more brains to evaluate but we can really do without another world-wide mass edit where someone adds an obvious "primary lan

[Tagging] building:structure

2018-08-16 Thread Frederik Ramm
able about buildings myself, nor interested in researching how this issue came about, I'm just dropping this here for an interested party to pick up, or not. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" __

Re: [Tagging] place nodes for continents?

2018-08-07 Thread Frederik Ramm
? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] place nodes for continents?

2018-08-07 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, place nodes for continents - are they useful? https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/36966063 Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap

Re: [Tagging] psychics (was: tagging religion-based access)

2018-07-05 Thread Frederik Ramm
would have suggested shop=snake_oil but I fear that's a little too narrow too ;) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.o

Re: [Tagging] Official OSMF editor (was: emergency=lifeguard)

2018-06-21 Thread Frederik Ramm
elf. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

2018-06-19 Thread Frederik Ramm
tagging presets as rolled out on osm.org can be curated by a group that is separate from the editor writers? I don't think designing tags is what the editor writers should do, that would clearly be overstepping their mandate. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00

Re: [Tagging] New GitHub tagging repo "osmlab/osm-tagging" - was: emergency=lifeguard

2018-06-18 Thread Frederik Ramm
d be problematic. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

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