Re: [Tagging] Drawing/painting schools

2020-12-09 Thread Hauke Stieler
:59 CET schrieb Joseph Eisenberg: > Yes, amenity=art_school appears to be the most common way to map places > that offer training in the visual arts. > > — Joseph Eisenberg > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 4:06 PM Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > > On 12/8/20 16:12, Hauke

[Tagging] Drawing/painting schools

2020-12-08 Thread Hauke Stieler
Hi, today I encountered a drawing/painting school [0] that offers workshops and classes for children and adults. Is there a tag for these schools? I haven't found any, so how about establishing amenity=painting_school (or =drawing_school?) analogous to amenity=music_school. Any thoughts on

Re: [Tagging] Is it bicycle_parking=stands?

2020-07-05 Thread Hauke Stieler
Hi, the wiki [0] said for the tag "bicycle_parking=stands": "Use this tag for non-rectangular stands as well (e.g. round ones, fancy artistic ones, long ones allowing to attach more than two vehicles). " Sounds to me like your O-shaped frame is a stand. I also already mapped frames similar to

Re: [Tagging] natural=water inside natural=wetland

2020-04-30 Thread Hauke Stieler
Hi, I would create a multipolygon for that. Wetland is something different than a lake/pond. For wetland the wiki says, that wetland areas contain "characteristic vegetation that is adapted to its unique soil conditions" [0]. A lake obviously doesn't (at least no land-vegetation like grass and

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Food sharing

2020-02-27 Thread Hauke Stieler
Hi, sometimes people just use boxes or the basket of an old bicycle for food sharing purposes. Because they are usually not inside a building or something, I would add the "covered=*" tag to your list. I also would use the "contact:*" keys (for the website, facebook, other social media channels,

Re: [Tagging] Unremovable bollards

2020-02-16 Thread Hauke Stieler
Hi, > I too prefer 'fixed'. > > Foldable, is also in some sense irremovable/unremovable (spell check objects) > where as I think 'fixed' is a better description as it implies not foldable, > removeable nor lowerable. I was starting to write a whole page why I don't like "fixed" instead of

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Approved - Tax free shopping

2020-02-16 Thread Hauke Stieler
Hi all, thanks for all the feedback and voting. The proposal for tax free shopping and the "duty_free" tag has been approved: 13 votes, 2 against, 1 abstain. Currently there's a discussion ongoing about the calculation when there are "abstain" votes. So here are some approval calculations all

Re: [Tagging] Unremovable bollards

2020-02-15 Thread Hauke Stieler
I don't have real data to check your statement (except the mapped bollards in OSM) but personally I don't know if that's true for all regions. I personally have the feeling that the amount is at least equal and in Hamburg, Germany I have the impression that more bollars are removable then

[Tagging] Unremovable bollards

2020-02-15 Thread Hauke Stieler
Hi all, there's the "bollard" key with documented value "rising" and "removable" [0] but I often encounter also bollards which cannot be removed easily. I would love to see the "unremovable" value in the documentation. Should I open a proposal page for this one value? That sounds a bit of an

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - in-kind_donation

2020-02-15 Thread Hauke Stieler
Hi, I have some feedback for you: 1.) I'm not a native English spearker and personally never heard of "in-kind donations" before, so maybe a short description/definition might be needed/helpful. 2.) According to [0] the convention for separation word in a key is the underscore. So I would

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tax free shopping

2020-02-13 Thread Hauke Stieler
Hi, just a reminder that voting ends on Saturday ;) Hauke On 28.01.20 21:38, Hauke Stieler wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I finally set the status to "voting" of the tax-free proposal. This ends > on 2020-02-15 (a bit more than two weeks). > > https://wiki.openstreetma

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tax free shopping

2020-01-28 Thread Hauke Stieler
Hi everyone, I finally set the status to "voting" of the tax-free proposal. This ends on 2020-02-15 (a bit more than two weeks). https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/tax_free_shopping Thanks for all the feedback and happy voting. Hauke signature.asc Description: OpenPGP

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tax free shopping

2020-01-17 Thread Hauke Stieler
Sorry for the possible confusion: All the things you said sound still fine and logic to me, but the user "marc_marc_irc" made a good point: We only need three values for "duty_free=*": yes, no and refund. What do you think of a scheme where we say: * duty_free=yes Travelers exporting things

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tax free shopping

2020-01-17 Thread Hauke Stieler
> if you dislike duty_free=limited, maybe duty_free=refund > is more understandable I had the idea of "duty_free=" before, but it changed to the current scheme with "duty_free:refund=*" during the discussion. However, I can definitely imagine going back to "duty_free=" with the additional tags

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tax free shopping

2020-01-17 Thread Hauke Stieler
no taxes would be tagged with "duty_free=yes" and optionally with "duty_free:refund=no". I hope this also makes sense to you. On 17.01.20 12:27, marc marc wrote: > Le 17.01.20 à 01:32, Hauke Stieler a écrit : >>> I see 3 levels : >>> the customer doesn't pay t

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tax free shopping

2020-01-17 Thread Hauke Stieler
I understand your point and it sound logically to me. Your idea of also specifying more general tags doesn't change that much in the tags, just their meaning. As this is the more OSM-like way (as you said), I'll edit the wiki page accordingly. Thanks for the hint :) On 17.01.20 09:08, Mateusz

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tax free shopping

2020-01-16 Thread Hauke Stieler
> I see 3 levels : > the customer doesn't pay the tax duty_free=yes > the customer pay the tax but the shop help for a refund > the customer pay the tax and the shop doesn't help a refund duty_free=no Exactly, this is the basic idea for the scheme (added these points to the wiki page). There

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tax free shopping

2020-01-16 Thread Hauke Stieler
Hi, > about : duty_free:refund=yes > is it an intermediate level between duty_free=yes and duty_free=no ? > if yes, wouldn't it be better to use duty_free=limited ? I wouldn't say "duty_free:refund=yes" is something in between "duty_free=yes" and "=no" but rather a different type of

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tax free shopping

2020-01-16 Thread Hauke Stieler
I'd like to start voting soon, so please > take a look at the proposal and let me know if something needs to be > changed. > > Hauke > > [0] > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/tax_free_shopping > > On 04.01.20 19:47, Hauke Stieler

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tax free shopping

2020-01-16 Thread Hauke Stieler
ki/Proposed_features/tax_free_shopping On 04.01.20 19:47, Hauke Stieler wrote: > Hi, > > you may noticed the discussion "Tag for 'tax free shopping'" on this > mailing list. This is the proposal for the new "duty_free" tag. > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars, restaurant

2020-01-13 Thread Hauke Stieler
Hi Stuart > I could see :  > free_water = > free_water:container = > free_water:table= If something is for the general public (= anyone) the value is usually "yes" (as at the "access" tag [0]) and then there are further restricting values (when there's a "yes" there's mostly at least also a

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars, restaurant

2020-01-13 Thread Hauke Stieler
Hi Stuart, > The proposal below does not seem optimal, but if that is what is decided > we will write wiki instructions in this manner. No decisions have been made so far. Currently all these mails just contain ideas and discussions. I'm personally a fan of the namespace scheme, the one with

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars, restaurant

2020-01-13 Thread Hauke Stieler
Hi, > This model is used for many other tags in OSM. One of the most > fundamental tags, access=*, uses it to show "access only for customers" > for example. > See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Dcustomers . > free_water=customers would not look out of place at all in that list.

Re: [Tagging] Addition of amenity=conference_center to Map Features page

2020-01-12 Thread Hauke Stieler
Hi, I think he misspelled it in the email. The tag page is in British English [0] and the American English tag "conference_center" has only been used 44 times. The word "conference_center" does not appear on the "2.x" branch of iD. However the documented British English value "conference_centre"

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Givebox

2020-01-06 Thread Hauke Stieler
Hi, I also came along those boxes and love the idea to have a separate tag for them. Just some small things: - There should be an icon on the map. Maybe something like the shop=charity icon [0] but with a box? Just an idea. - I think a German "Umsonstladen" is more like a store and less like a

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for emojis names

2020-01-06 Thread Hauke Stieler
> I could sort of understand if a business name was an emoji, rather than > real words, but I'm not aware of any cases of this? But I would tag a pure emoji-name of a company using the normal "name" key. However I'm also not aware of any case. Hauke signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tax free shopping

2020-01-05 Thread Hauke Stieler
Hi all, there was already some feedback (here and on the discussion page) thanks for that :) Considering the feedback, I edited the wiki page, adjusted the tagging scheme and added some examples for tagging situations. Hauke On 04.01.20 19:47, Hauke Stieler wrote: > Hi, > > you ma

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tax free shopping

2020-01-04 Thread Hauke Stieler
Hi, > Absence of such facilities surely applies to 99.% of shops. > > Nobody is going to want to start to tag the absence of such a service? Of course nobody would start to do that, but when having "=yes", then I think there should be a "=no" (even though this is the default case). And

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tax free shopping

2020-01-04 Thread Hauke Stieler
Hi, > I don't think it can be phrased that way. As for the VAT in the EU, > everybody who proves that the goods were exported is eligible for a tax > refund. you're right, maybe saying that "this shop does not offer any service (prepared forms, memberships in organizations, etc.) for an

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tax free shopping

2020-01-04 Thread Hauke Stieler
Hi Martin, > actually tax collection and exemption are not specifically related to > airports, although airports are a typical setting where duty free shops > occur, there are also different places where you can find them, so this > should be phrased more generically. I always use "e.g." or

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tax free shopping

2020-01-04 Thread Hauke Stieler
Hi, you may noticed the discussion "Tag for 'tax free shopping'" on this mailing list. This is the proposal for the new "duty_free" tag. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/tax_free_shopping Basically the new tag has three values: * yes: This shop does not collect taxes at

Re: [Tagging] Tag for "tax free shopping"

2019-12-31 Thread Hauke Stieler
Hi, > Which OSM data consumer? I personally thought of tourists wanting to buy stuff. As you mentioned, a EU-tourist has no benefit of this duty-free-information, but I also think of tourists (from) outside the EU. As a use case: I think of the OsmAnd app filtering for duty-free-shops where

Re: [Tagging] Tag for "tax free shopping"

2019-12-31 Thread Hauke Stieler
Hi,   > In terms of tagging, the scenario described could be something like > duty_free=export - meaning YES if you are exporting it beyond the > customs union area (~~EU), otherwise NO. But isn't this always and everywhere the case (as Jarek mentioned before me)? My idea of the duty_free tag

Re: [Tagging] Tag for "tax free shopping"

2019-12-31 Thread Hauke Stieler
Hi, that's true, the EU is one special case here. But would the status of a traveler influence the tagging schema of "duty_free=*" in your opinion? Hauke signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Tag for "tax free shopping"

2019-12-31 Thread Hauke Stieler
Hi Javbw, so you suggest only a "duty_free=" key with the values "yes|no|designated"? I like your idea of having only one key "duty_free" but I would choose different values. The tags "duty_free=yes" vs. "=designated" might be confusing. My idea: duty_free=yes E.g. Shop in

Re: [Tagging] Tag for "tax free shopping"

2019-12-23 Thread Hauke Stieler
.12.19 14:59, Hauke Stieler wrote: > Hi, > > I recently found several stores (pharmacy, clothing store, jewelery and > others) which offer "tax free shopping". For those of you who don't know > it, this works as follows: > > You buy something and next to

Re: [Tagging] Tag for "tax free shopping"

2019-12-20 Thread Hauke Stieler
On 20.12.19 23:14, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 at 00:02, Hauke Stieler <mailto:m...@hauke-stieler.de>> wrote: > > Hi, > > I recently found several stores (pharmacy, clothing store, jewelery and > others) which offer "ta

[Tagging] Tag for "tax free shopping"

2019-12-20 Thread Hauke Stieler
=" or "tax_free=" (for shops at the airport where you don't pay any taxes). Greetings Hauke (aka hauke-stieler) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging