[Tagging] Crossing tagged on both way and node (was: What does bicycle=no on a node means?)

2020-10-15 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 10/13/2020 6:30 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 17:41 Volker Schmidt mailto:vosc...@gmail.com>> wrote: I changed the crossing to the way we do it in many parts of Europe, i.e. a crossing node _and_ a crossing way. This was described as an option on the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:shelter_type=rock_shelter

2020-09-04 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 9/4/2020 6:24 PM, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Sep 4, 2020, 18:19 by tagging@openstreetmap.org: node and discovered the shelter_type=rock_shelter subtag, but the map in question didn't render it any differently. Revisiting the site in fair weather, I found a tiny

Re: [Tagging] Link to stream of webcam

2020-09-04 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 9/4/2020 3:45 PM, Paul Allen wrote: A surveillance cam isn't a "contact" and contact:* is STILL a stupid idea. Oh, and what's wrong with url=*?  Especially as the wiki page endorses it. Nb, the link to the "Surveillance under Surveillance" project that you quoted doesn't mention the url=*

Re: [Tagging] Link to stream of webcam

2020-09-04 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 9/4/2020 2:10 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am Fr., 4. Sept. 2020 um 19:03 Uhr schrieb Jmapb via Tagging mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org>>: On 9/4/2020 11:34 AM, Jmapb via Tagging wrote: > The "See also" section of that page seems to suggest the und

Re: [Tagging] Link to stream of webcam

2020-09-04 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 9/4/2020 11:34 AM, Jmapb via Tagging wrote: The "See also" section of that page seems to suggest the undocumented tag `contact:webcam` for this purpose. (Mea culpa, contact:webcam is indeed documented on the contact page.) ___ Taggi

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:shelter_type=rock_shelter

2020-09-04 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 9/3/2020 11:51 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote: I've created a proposal to formalise shelter_type=rock_shelter, while currently in-use, there is disagreement within the community on if this tag should be used and features are commonly mis-tagged. So I'm hoping with this proposal and voting we can

Re: [Tagging] Link to stream of webcam

2020-09-04 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 9/4/2020 11:08 AM, dktue wrote: Hi, I'd like to tag the link to the (current) JPEG-image of a webcam, but the wiki doesn't state how to do so [1]. Any suggestions how to tag this? Cheers, dktue [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dsurveillance The "See also" section of

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-03-15 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 3/15/2020 6:18 AM, Markus Peloso wrote: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/give_box A small facility where people drop off and pick up various types of items in the sense of free sharing. Hi After "Clarify whatever explicit abstaining is the same as no vote" and the

Re: [Tagging] man_made=petroleum_well vs man_made=pumping_rig

2020-02-26 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 2/26/2020 3:54 AM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: There are some users on the wiki who seem to treat these two tags as near-synonyms man_made=petroleum_well man_made=pumping_rig The later was approved, but the first is much more common. The proposal in 2008 for pumping_rig said "A tag for

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - in-kind_donation

2020-02-16 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 2/16/2020 8:21 AM, Steve Doerr wrote: On 15/02/2020 16:56, Markus Peloso wrote: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/in-kind_donation For a place that takes in-kind donations. My immediate reaction is that this sounds like a very similar concept to 'give box', which was

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-02-06 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 2/6/2020 10:47 AM, Paul Allen wrote: And if they wanted to comment but not vote they'd add their comment to the talk page instead.  Right? Absolutely! If that's what the instructions said. But they clearly say that if you do want to comment, but you don't want to vote, then choose

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-02-06 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
[Sorry for the repost, corrected wiki link below...] On 2/6/2020 5:40 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Actually, in the past we always have counted every kind of comment (vote yes / no and abstain) as part of the total, which indeed led to the situation that an (explicit) abstention effectively

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-02-06 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 2/6/2020 5:40 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Actually, in the past we always have counted every kind of comment (vote yes / no and abstain) as part of the total, which indeed led to the situation that an (explicit) abstention effectively counted like a no-vote. Are we going to change this

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-15 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 1/15/2020 12:55 AM, European Water Project wrote: Would it be appropriate to use the tag "seasonal" for a water fountain (whether tagged as "amenity=drinking_water" or "amenity = fountain and drinking_water = yes" )? Don't forget about man_made=drinking_fountain! J

Re: [Tagging] How to tag oneway restriction applying to pedestrians?

2020-01-12 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 1/11/2020 7:13 PM, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 at 18:18, Jmapb via Tagging wrote: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/97010406 - It was originally a vehicle route but was changed to pedestrian with painted bike and foot lanes. For motor vehicles, only emergency

Re: [Tagging] How to tag oneway restriction applying to pedestrians?

2020-01-11 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 1/11/2020 11:16 AM, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: I imagine that virtually all real-world pedestrian ways that are one-way for pedestrians would be on dedicated pedestrian ways - that is, highway=footway. If that's correct, oneway=yes can be interpreted as referring to pedestrians on footways (it

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - give box

2020-01-07 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 1/7/2020 7:26 AM, Paul Allen wrote: And yet the examples you give are shops, or shelves within shops.  They are NOT boxes.  On those grounds alone, "give box" is a very bad name.  In any case, who is doing the giving to whom? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Give-away_shop uses the generic term

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Givebox

2020-01-06 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 1/6/2020 5:41 PM, Markus Peloso wrote: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Givebox A facility where people drop off and pick up various types of goods in the sense of free sharing. Hi Based on the https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Reuse

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - hiking_trail_relation_roles

2019-12-06 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 12/6/2019 1:28 PM, Janko Mihelić wrote: I think the "forward" and "backward" don't belong in a role of a relation. Oneway=yes on a way should be enough. In the Wiki discussion it is said that if there is one little "oneway" way in a big branch, then all the ways in a branch should be checked

Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

2019-11-07 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 11/7/2019 2:09 PM, Mark Wagner wrote: On Thu, 7 Nov 2019 10:26:14 + marc marc wrote: ere possession of a bicycle is forbidden can you share the a picture of this traffic sign ? It's a sign for a state natural area rather than a federal wilderness area, and the situation is a little

Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

2019-11-07 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 11/6/2019 3:08 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: bicycle_pushed=no? bicycle_pushed is more clear for someone encountering it for the first time - bicycle=total_ban is a bit confusing Especially as in some places access for bicycles may be "never" (explicit "no bicycle" signs) or "only during

Re: [Tagging] Hunting stands, bird and wildlife hides

2019-10-22 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 10/22/2019 10:36 AM, Ilya Zverev wrote: I understand the reasoning, but I don’t see how can I follow the “truth on the ground” principle. Are there any guidelines on choosing the correct tag? For some reason people don’t write its purpose on a side. And again, images in three of these pages

Re: [Tagging] Amenity=Gambling & adult_gaming_center tagging conflict

2019-10-21 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 10/17/2019 1:01 AM, John Willis via Tagging wrote: Also, how do you specify which games are offered? gambling=pachinko is in the wiki, but what about adult_gaming_centre? is gambling=* the default way to define what games are offered at such facilities? that seems to be vague or missing.

Re: [Tagging] How to map Irish pubs?

2019-10-08 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 10/8/2019 6:20 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: I was wondering about the same thing, because you've then also got Country & Western, German, any & all varieties of Gay ... ? Bit of an awkward one, but there are pub's in Northern & Inland Australia that white people are NOT welcome in (& I'm

Re: [Tagging] "not:brand" to mark a shop that isn't part of a chain?

2019-09-19 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 9/14/2019 10:53 AM, Tim Magee wrote: I would absolutely agree with this use case. Especially for cases such as the regularly mentioned Burger King. If somebody from out of town is either traveling through or armchair mapping they could be confused. If they are using the ID editor, it suggests

Re: [Tagging] Designated spots for dogs to wait

2019-08-20 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 8/20/2019 4:57 AM, Andrew Davidson wrote: On 20/8/19 6:24 pm, John Willis via Tagging wrote:      So let's standardize on a tag: amenity=hitching_post hitching_post=dog ? Interestingly, one of the items they sell is a green 30x30cm marker to go on the sidewalk in front of the pole -

Re: [Tagging] key educational

2019-08-16 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 8/16/2019 10:56 PM, Warin wrote: I think the key:educational maybe better used later for schools, colleges, cram schools etc. The (dormant) proposal for these was education=school|university|tutor|cram_school etc.

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

2019-08-16 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 8/16/2019 4:59 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: a long route may go through several colour changes but will be signed with its own marker at principal junctions. (Where I map, there are only a handful of long-distance routes affected by this: the Long Path, the Highlands Trail, the Finger Lakes Trail,

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

2019-08-16 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 8/16/2019 2:40 PM, s8evq wrote: The table with the tagging scheme for the hiking/foot routes is getting there: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tagging_scheme_hiking_walking Just a few more small things that need to be decided on. Hi s8evq, nice progress! Just gonna prattle about

Re: [Tagging] Bicycle kitchens, community centres that offer bicycle repairs etc

2019-08-15 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 8/15/2019 10:11 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Anyway, just a property like "service:bicycle:repair=yes" and a name would not work, IMHO No indeed, I wouldn't recommend it as a stand-alone feature tag. But as extra tag to a shop or amenity, it think it would help. Also note that for

Re: [Tagging] Bicycle kitchens, community centres that offer bicycle repairs etc

2019-08-15 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 8/14/2019 6:45 PM, dcapillae wrote: Obviusly, «amenity=community_centre» Sounds correct. For anything that's not a bicycle shop but still does bicycle repairs (I've seen cafes, car repair shops, outdoor shops, and even a church with this service), consider just adding the

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

2019-08-13 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 8/13/2019 4:50 AM, s8evq wrote: Currently, there are four tagging scheme tables describing how walking (or hiking) routes should be tagged. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Hiking https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Walking_Routes https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:route%3Dhiking

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

2019-08-13 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 8/13/2019 12:14 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: Alas, we can't do what Google Maps does, and aggregate the private information of everyone carrying a cell phone to measure current traffic speeds. That appears to be how Google's router makes its decisions. Of course we used to have something along

Re: [Tagging] shared planter where you can harvest for free

2019-07-05 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 7/5/2019 3:08 PM, Paul Allen wrote: I read joost's comment as "The operator of this map object is a specific private citizen" not as a redefinition of "operator." Hah, probably. Regardless, I do think that Les Incroyables Comestibles/Incredible Edibles fits better under the brand key, or

Re: [Tagging] shared planter where you can harvest for free

2019-07-05 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 7/5/2019 12:18 PM, joost schouppe wrote: Operator is actually "a specific private citizen" What's the source of this definition? On the English wiki, operator is "a company, corporation, person or any other entity who is directly in charge of the current operation of a map object." J

Re: [Tagging] Use bbq=yes/no or barbecue_grill=yes/no with campsites?

2019-07-05 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 7/5/2019 10:56 AM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: I don't think it would be necessary to combine "bbq=no" and "bring_own_bbq=yes" - if a feature such as a leisure=picnic_site is tagged "bring_own_bbq=yes" that is sufficient. The tag "bbq=no", like most tags with value "no", can be omitted. This is

Re: [Tagging] one feature one element

2019-07-05 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 7/4/2019 11:17 PM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: We've also had problems with features tagged "tourism=camp_site" or "landuse=meadow" plus "barrier=hedge" or "barrier=wall". Is the barrier supposed to be an area or a linear feature in this case? I can see the confusion here, but I think this rule

Re: [Tagging] Test prep centres and cram schools as amenity=prep_school?

2019-07-05 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 7/5/2019 2:16 AM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: So, what's a better term for a test prep centre, cramp school, or tutoring office? There the rarely used tag office=tutoring, but that doesn't quite cover a place like Kaplan or Kumon - https://au.kumonglobal.com/ - https://www.kaptest.com/

Re: [Tagging] Use bbq=yes/no or barbecue_grill=yes/no with campsites?

2019-07-03 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 7/2/2019 8:20 AM, marc marc wrote: Le 02.07.19 à 13:38, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : There are two similar property tags that describe the presence of a barbecue (BBQ) grill at another feature such as a campsite or picnic site. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bbq

Re: [Tagging] Designated spots for dogs to wait

2019-06-18 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 6/18/2019 10:14 AM, Paul Allen wrote: Are there any objections to man_made=hitching_point? I think it will be a little used item. You're probably right there.  Not much call for it.  And unlikely to be rendered until we get vector carto, and maybe not even then.  But, analogously

Re: [Tagging] shop=cannabis including medical cannabis

2019-06-17 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
It is done. Interested parties, please see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dcannabis and comment here or there. I'll be watching the discussion page. J ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] shop=cannabis including medical cannabis

2019-06-14 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 6/14/2019 5:33 PM, Dave Swarthout wrote: Martin wrote: >It would imply adding shop=cannabis to pharmacies? In some countries the sale of medicine is restricted to pharmacies. Not necessarily. IMO, we could also use the cannabis:medical=yes/only tag to pharmacies offering it. Yes, my