I think these unclear translations come from the fact different languages
make a different split in the world. As an example, in Spanish we have many
different words (bar, mesón, restaurante, cantina, café, cafetería,
chiringuito, pub/bar de copas, cervecería, bodeguilla, whiskería,
Michael Booth says that this is not a tower, but it seems to have stairs
inside, and even windows.
WP says it is over 100m tall, too.
I don't have a telecomm background, but I think the "seems to be a
building, is hollow
If we start mapping refill=soft_drinks;coffee... and so on, how would you
map sites where some soft drinks are refillable and some are not?
As an example, in Ikea the bottled unsugared top-brand cola drink (I don't
remember whether it is coke zero or pepsi max) can not be refilled, where
Path 374362033 ( https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/374362033 ) is a
building with no windows in Calle del Fúcar, 28014 Madrid that contains a
phone exchange (originally it was a gigantic relay system for the phones of
the area, now probably replaced with smaller computers and
VTC is how rental cars with professional driver are called in Spain. I
think the rest of the thread clarifies this: It is the Spanish name for
Uber, Cabify and other companies that provide private transport services
but are not taxis (their cars are not equipped with taxi meter).
El mar., 21
Lithuanian and Russian community?
>> Le 18 août 2018 16:37:28 GMT+02:00, Michael Tsang a
>> écrit :
>>> On Saturday 18 August 2018 22:10:15 HKT José G Moya Y. wrote:
>>>> Plwase take into notice tha
Plwase take into notice that, in some countries, the difference between
suburb, hamlet, town or village is not only based on population but in
political issues, such as self-government, also.
When I see my hometown is defined as "aldea" (hamlet) in wikidata I always
got angry, because, being
In a post about access=permit, Kevin Kevin wrote:
El lun., 13 ago. 2018 18:10, Kevin Kenny
> - what is the
> point of mapping a way that's impassable to everything? When is a way
> not a way? It does indeed make sense when some transport mode has an
> answer other than 'no'.
For the rest of us
Like Kevin, I followed this email list for a couple years. The first case I
read about was the lakes of Alaska (Sept 21st 2017), but I'm sure there
were more threads on this matter before.
For cases where you get your permit on the entrance of a national park or
What about if there is a basketball pitch (basketball hoops are on the
pitch) but lines are for futsal only?
Maybe some like this?
2018-07-27 0:43 GMT+02:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>:
t a hermit.
Regarding the rendering, I've discovered there was a
amenity=place_of_worship node hidden under the marker of the node I was
talking about. That explains it being rendered.
El mar., 24 jul. 2018 17:38, Andy Townsend escribió:
> On 24/07/2018 15:59, José G Moya Y. wrote:
I've found some places of worship tagged with the undocumented "sym=church"
It appears to be added from some old software, since the"name" tag in the
same element is truncated to eight characters.
It's surprising to see how these places are being rendered as churches despite
of this tag
Search in this list for "[Tagging] Manor tagging" around march 14th.
The manor is the area around the house (la finca)
The manor house it the house itself.
El 4/7/2018 12:36 PM, "César Martínez Izquierdo"
> I wonder the best way to tag Spanish historic
> Tagging of collection bags and bins should probably make use of existing
> tags for such features instead of adding new ones.
> Same in regards to availability of water, though I haven’t looked into
> what if any existing tags are already used for that.
Just a question. I think someone else (or maybe myself) asked it on a
previous discussion. You provide means to tag collection bags and bins.
How do we tag when we only have the bins (but not a dedicated poop area)?
Greetings from Madrid,
El lun., 11 de junio de 2018
I think bike/charriot/horse/motorbike access should not be taked for
granted in bus lanes, as you said.
In my city, bikes are forbidden in bus lanes. They are too narrow to allow
a bus overpass a bycicle, and not all bycicles are faster than a bus.
In Madrid, bikes should use the rightmost
I forgot to include the point of my previous message -- I think that being
dismantled every night is not so important.
P.D. Enviado desde un móvil (celular). Disculpe las erratas. No veo bien la
El lun., 28 de mayo de 2018 7:51, José G Moya Y. <josem...@gmail.com>
Three years ago I read about rules for street vendors in my city, Madrid.
The rules design as "street vendors" a mix of:
a) Newsagent kiosks and similar (ONCE kiosks). Most of them are permanent,
not dismantled at night.
b) Churro/french fries/hot dog vans/kiosks. They operate on winter only,
El mié., 23 de mayo de 2018 9:28, Javier Sánchez Portero <
> Anyway, for your example of the LR-333 road, most of the time it isn't
> enough wide for two cars to pass comfortably (see here
> https://goo.gl/maps/6PC2Wfkfw7A2 like the van has to put the wheel in
@Martin:I don't want to be a troll, but I feel there is some inconsistence
between answers in this thread and answers in cycle:lanes last week.
@javier, yopaseopor: I don't drive, but I think you can overtake a Guardia
Civil car in two-way roads where there are one lane.
The cycle:lane thread
When I saw your email, I looked for a lpg station near my home and I saw I
had to include your lpg-only tags on it (changeset #: 58738167).
I still have to check if it is taxi only or general purpose lpg station.
El dom., 6 de mayo de 2018 20:15, Thilo Haug OSM
> inside it is much more manageable then trying to tag everything on a single
> In that regards it’s the same as tagging e.g. a café inside a bookshop.
> *From:* José G Moya Y. <josem...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, 29 April 2018 18
I think this is a good idea, but, in the suggestion of Thorsten, I find
problematic the use of "access=" tag when instruments are in a bar. Imagine
a bar with a private piano is tagged as a point:
It does not make
It was François Lacombe on this list 9n Jan 2, 2018.
El mié., 3 de enero de 2018 0:14, François Lacombe <
Regarding this location=kiosk topic, a discussion was opened on talk page
of power=substation key.
I like "training=traffic_education" for the ones addressed to children.
When i was on one of those, as a children, i was too young to ride a
bicycle (miniature bikes for children under six were not common in spain in
the early seventies).
So "training=cycling" is wrong, sine most of these parks
Well, I see some edits in the past year adding info for Australia and New
Zealand. In a mail discussion this summer (I'm in a mobile so I can't
search mail while writing) I think someone talked abou ISCED, but I'm not
sure. I used it to tag the school where I work, also.
I think ISCED is a nice
Forgot to say I read somewhere the opposite of your proposal, translating
some traffic_sign to highway. Don't remember where.
El lun., 2 de abril de 2018 10:46, José G Moya Y. <josem...@gmail.com>
> I'm also Spanish, and I'm very newbie. But here is my interpret
I'm also Spanish, and I'm very newbie. But here is my interpretation:
I understand "traffic_sign" is not related to the subjacent way, so
"highway" is used instead for signs that are relevant for pathfinding.
Also, highway shows some implicit values not shown on "vertical signals" (i
I understand you can tag "self_service:no" in case of attended fuel
As Javier says, disabled people use to need attended fuel stations. In
Spain (are you from here, Javier?) some administrative areas (atonomous
communities) are moving to enforce attended fuel stations.
Well, in some villages there are palaces that were never fortified. This is
the case, for example, of the Palace of Count of Superunda, north of this
It is just a big abandoned house in the middle of a village. There are many
There are structures which are "manors" and I would't tag as a castle. As
an example, a Spanish "cortijo" is the center of a big (originally, feudal)
estate that is metonymically called "cortijo", too.
The central building has a defensive purpose. Historians would say some
walled villages are
Here in Spain it is more usual 40 bis, 40 dup, 40-2, 40b/c/d... but seeing
this scheme I understand the "platform 8 1/2" in Harry Potter.
I would tag address number without special chars. I don't know wich set of
ascii does the government use in your country. In mine, the abbreviation
I think I send a message in the past about how to tag a Carillon that is
not a man_made=tower (Carillon in the wall of a building). I think I
finally put it in the tourist_attraction category.
El 12/3/2018 10:55, "Max" escribió:
> Related information: What type of
There could be some bias on the translation.
As an example, the name ID gives to it in Spanish (santuario al borde del
camino=holy place close to a road) is somehow arbitrary.
As most beginners read the translated
tag name only, and different languages make different segmentations of
> also discusses parking:condition for time dependance.
> I would not map the pollution restriction since it is very dependent on
> occasional situations.
> On 28.01.2018 12:40, José G Moya Y. wrote:
>> Near Prado Mu
Near Prado Museum in Madrid, there is a parking zone that is paid (with
time limit) from 9:00 to 21:00 on weekdays and saturdays, free (without
time limit) sundays from 15:00 to 00:00, free (without time limit) from
21:00 to 9:00 on weekdays, free (without time limit) on saturdays from
Please notice that, for doing something similar to what you do here
(reading a lot of maps and aerial imaginery, being only one of them 
google maps) I was forced to erase my edition and do it again.
Just to warn you.
El 12/1/2018 8:30, "Jo" escribió:
> It definitely
I mark "amenity=drinking_water" only when the water is subject to
microbiological analysis. If it isn't, I mark it as either "fountain",
"spring" or "watering place".
It's up to "clients" (apps and people who uses the database) to decide
whether they'll drink from legal water taps only or they'll
El 17/12/2017 21:17, "Tom Pfeifer" <t.pfei...@computer.org> escribió:
On 17.12.2017 14:36, José G Moya Y. wrote:
> National-wide phone numbers treated (such as +1-800-x in USA, cellphones,
> "vocal nomad" numbers (+34-51-xx in Spain, if I remember well) a
Do you mean PO box? In some cities, massive PO boxes have a special Zip
code/ postal code. It could be a property of the PObox address.
Maybe an attribute at the POI is right, as POI use to list email addresses
and web addresses, which are independent from actual physical address (as
This response makes me wonder if there is a way to mark the "thermoking not
allowed to park" sign I've read in some gas station truck parkings.
I imagine there are "dangerous goods no" and "dangerous goods designated"
tag values, also.
El 28/11/2017 18:10, "Paul Johnson"
, on the other hand, cram something
or prepare for an exam without having an academic objective otherwise.
Specialty schools are what the name says.
19-11-2017 01:52 tarihinde Steve Doerr yazdı:
> On 18/11/2017 22:31, José G Moya Y. wrote:
>> The proposal says:
I will vote +1 because I liked your proposal in September
But please refresh me, what's the difference between testcenter and
cram-school? I only remember cram-school in your proposal this September.
The proposal says:
education=testcenter - Specialty schools including exam preparation
Thanks for the suggestion, Marc.
Martin, I don't think authorities welcome a detailed map of inner areas in
stations/airports. They will show a security concern.
El 17/11/2017 0:27, "marc marc" <marc_marc_...@hotmail.com> escribió:
> On 16. Nov 2017, at 2
Just to clarify the situation:
I'm sure you can press the intercom button, wait for response, and get the
door opened without having to buy another ticket. But the question is you
are not making disabled people autonomous if you make them follow such slow
There are other weird situations
How do you map this situation:
You can enter with wheelchair to Pacifico Metro Station metro line 1.
You can enter with wheelchair to Pacifico Metro Station line 6.
You can't go with wheelchair from line 6 to line 1 (or vice versa) without
your metro fee again. To do so, you have to go
El 1/11/2017 9:08, "Michal Fabík" escribió:
On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 10:29 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> possibly something like 'motor_vehicle:conditional=winter_equipment @
Technically, this looks fine, but is it really necessary to specify
I don't see references to grandstand in "pitch", "leisure=sports_centre",
"leisure=sports", "riding" or other related wiki page. Having references to
"tag=grandstand" in the "how to map" sections of sports-related tags would
be useful for newbies like me.
I could do it by myself, but I dont
But from the outside tou can't see if the office is in "Gran Via 1 shop 2"
or "Gran Via 1 shop 3", despite of the shop number being displayed in the
El 27/10/2017 8:03, "Colin Smale" escribió:
> Time for a more philosophical discussion... What is the function of
as been pointed out to you by myself and others that you must not use
> Google when mapping.
> Any changes that have involved Google should be reverted.
> Cheers Phil (trigpoint)
> On 18 October 2017 11:50:12 BST, "José G Moya Y." <josem...@gmail.com>
Ok. I eventually used google to correct my own gps traces (i. e. seeing if
the point where i have tagged the third building in a row is really at that
point). I rechecked it with other imaginery, also, to avoid errors due
satellite angle and shadows so I didn't use google as main source (the
I'm just a novice, but after two months following this list I understand
a) Tags are grouped by function. Some street forniture is just for people
to enjoy them, some needs to be located by GPS navigators (traffic lights,
barriers such as bollards) or emergency services (fire hydrants).
Christoph Hormann" <o...@imagico.de> escribió:
> On Monday 16 October 2017, José G Moya Y. wrote:
> > Ilya,
> > As some people said, river "size" is ambiguous. If you're talking
> > about relative size of a river in term of rivers of the same country,
As some people said, river "size" is ambiguous. If you're talking about
relative size of a river in term of rivers of the same country, Ebro and
Tajo are "major" rivers in Spain. If you're talking about absolute size
(compared with rivers in the world), Ebro and Tajo are small rivers.
I forgot to say you don't tag a fruishop as "vending=plastic bags;plastic
El 10/10/2017 17:05, "José G Moya Y." <josem...@gmail.com> escribió:
> What city are you talking about?
> In Madrid, "Cacacán"
I mean, a grocery.
El 10/10/2017 17:09, "José G Moya Y." <josem...@gmail.com> escribió:
I forgot to say you don't tag a fruishop as "vending=plastic bags;plastic
What city are you talking about?
In Madrid, "Cacacán" bin is intended to dispose dog excrements only. Also,
some municipalities are discontinuing the bag dispensers since there are
people who takes more bags than needed, even without walking with dogs.
I.E. in terms of environmental agents,
Ok, so you agree in reserving war_memorial for war memorials that do not
fit into plaque, statue and other "shape" categories?
El 3/10/2017 21:08, "Bill Ricker" escribió:
> The Vietnam War Memorial is the first one in US history, to my knowledge,
to list all of the
But I wonder if memorial=war_memorial was created with a shape in mind,
that of large walls with long lists of names on it we see on american
(In Spain, collective memorials are either big plaques, statues or
obelisks. The plaques, typical of the Spanish war of 1936-39, are being
Ok. Now I understand it.
El 28/9/2017 17:04, "Martin Koppenhoefer" escribió:
> 2017-09-28 16:50 GMT+02:00 marc marc :
>> Le 28. 09. 17 à 16:32, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit :
>> > I prefer the generic solution (node
You ask for more examples. I don't know about power lines and transformers,
but these ideas came to my mind:
If you have a street light with a dust bin attached to it, the dust bin
goes in "devices"?
And if you have a bus stop that holds a recycling slot for batteries, the
Kevin Kenny wrote:
> I'm ignorant. The public (and for that matter, club) pools near me are
> at multisport facilities and multi-use parks. (Typical configuration:
> swimming facility; administrative building; bathhouse; playing fields for
Near my home, there is also a shop specialised in doors. It does not seem
to manufacture windows.
There are also shops that make doors and paneling for embedded closets, but
I think the later are more shop=forniture.
El 26/9/2017 10:34, "Warin" <61sundow...@gmail.com> escribió:
> On 26-Sep-17
it the return of summer! Regards!
2017-09-18 15:32 GMT+02:00 José G Moya Y. <josem...@gmail.com>:
> A park with s Pool with lanes => sports_centre.
> A park with trampoline, ramps, pools=> water_park
> A park with umbrellas and a pool where you have to pay
After the 2004 Atocha station bomb it is illegal in Spain taking photos of
metro/railway stations to avoid helping terrorist find weak points/escape
routes (despite of this, metro/railway photo contests take place); I think
that, for the same reason, it is illegal, or at least problematic, to
My suggestion was only a last resorce if "access=permit" loses the vote
process again. I understand a permit is not a fee, is "some kind of
paperwork done in advance"
- José Moya
El 24/9/2017 3:37, "Warin" <61sundow...@gmail.com> escribió:
I agree with the permit system as it is discused here. I found it useful
for National Parks, specially for World Heritage Biosphere Reservations,
where a small amount of people has to book in advance.
If it keeps getting a strong opposition, you could consider mapping as
access=fee and adding
The logo value seems to be useful on the rendering side only. It's up to
the rendering app creators to decide if they want to display some shops
using its logos. In that case, the app would probably have some other way
to display them.
-1 to this proposal.
El 19/9/2017 14:19, "Philip Barnes"
Thanks for the link to Low Emmision zone (LEZ) wiki. I've added a small
entry for Spain.
More information have to be added, but the webpage of Madrid city is
uninformative -- that's the reason it has been awarded.
El 18/9/2017 18:39, "joost schouppe"
A park with s Pool with lanes => sports_centre.
A park with trampoline, ramps, pools=> water_park
A park with umbrellas and a pool where you have to pay a fee to enter the
park itself (so you have to map the park, its access and its access
It's ridiculous! That's why I
It's inconsistent to have a tag to mark the outdoor area surrounding a
sports swimming pool or a water park and no tag to mark the outdoor area
around a not-for-sports, not-theme-park swimming pool. I said that in the
swimming pool discusion.
If you have a tag for the facility, you
Thanks for your response, Erkin. The idea of putting driving license and
some speciality schools under "cram" schools came from the fact that,
despite of needind a special license, in my country (Spain) these centers
do not make exams, they only prepare for an official exam done by the
I'm just a newbie in tagging, but I find a reason for keeping school and
university at the "amenity" tag. These educative institutions are often
easy to spot (they span over an entire building and in many cases they have
a campus or playground), while other "education" institutions or
I think it's listed in Fence.
El 9/9/2017 17:57, "joost schouppe" escribió:
> I don't seem to
In some parts of Spain, there are tiny igloo-like houses, smaller than a
person, traditionally used to store tools near the fields. They are called
"guardaviñas" ("vineyard guards") and resemble, by shape and purpose, the
italian "trulli" of Puglia, but they are smaller.
I was wondering if
In Spanish it is farm_school.
Don't know about the tag.
Jose G Moya Y.
El 4/9/2017 17:41, "Martin Koppenhoefer" escribió:
> I wonder how you call a farm which is open to groups of children for
> visiting and helping with the farm work (a place where they can learn
I'm not an English native speaker, but I think that you should not use a
verb tense in third person in order to mantain formal coherence.
Personally, my two pence go to "retail", since it is a noun, though I
understand that "retail" is a special type of commercial activity.
But, if you have
>> Supermarkets for example will have a fresh meat >> counter, fresh fish
counter which is important stuff >>when you are camping.
Oh, really? Then I have to retag everyting.
Here in Spain we call "supermarket" a medium-sized self-service store,
while we call "convenience store" a
So you think I can add this tag to the wiki without prior voting?
El 24/8/2017 12:41, "Andy Townsend" <ajt1...@gmail.com> escribió:
> On 18/08/2017 10:22, José G Moya Y. wrote:
> In my country, this tag could be used to describe "mozarabic" buildings
In Madrid, in Puerta del Sol, there is a two-way bicycle way that shares
space with a one-way car street. I haven't checked how it is mapped, but I
guess a parallel line for bicycles would work.
El 27/8/2017 14:01, "Adam Snape" escribió:
> An unknown
Some one should make a proposal for the Andalusian civilization, also.
El 23/8/2017 1:01, "Martin Koppenhoefer" <dieterdre...@gmail.com> escribió:
sent from a phone
> On 18. Aug 2017, at 11:22, José G Moya Y. <josem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I propose
the link here:
José Moya (Jose M)
El 18/8/2017 10:17, "José G Moya Y." <josem...@gmail.com> escribió:
> I am proposed this tag to describe middle age buildings created befo
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