Re: [Tagging] Quarry lakes

2020-12-24 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
iously old quarries and I would want to use a different tag, not water=lake. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 9:24 AM Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > > A commenter on the reservoir proposal[1] pointed out the existence of quarry lakes[2], which is a lake that is formed after a qua

Re: [Tagging] Definition of lake/pond as applied to stream/plunge pools

2020-12-22 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
would duplicate the name. — Joseph Eisenberg On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 5:50 AM Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > Great discussion, here and in the 2017 thread. Participation in the > tagging list is certainly educational. > > water=stream_pool suffers from a few problems, and its use se

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - guard stone

2020-12-21 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
C) Freestanding guardstone-like objects are often found independently of buildings. Those look like barrier=bollard perhaps? On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 9:33 AM Volker Schmidt wrote: > I forgot to follow up on two other aspects of this, sorry. > > A) how are they tagged when two of them are on

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Emergency=Rescue Stations

2020-12-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The text of the proposal is still confusing. Is the tag emergency=rescue_stations being proposed? What are the tags which are proposed and what will be the definition of each tag? — Joseph Eisenberg On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 7:33 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > > On Sun, 6 Dec 2

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:healthcare=vaccination_centre

2020-12-17 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
care=* would be more likely to get approved. Either key seems fine. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 5:39 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Thank you for taking the time to draft this! Looks generally ok and is > needed. > > A small detail: maybe we would want to have a

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-17 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
be defined? -- Joseph Eisenberg On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 2:44 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 at 10:19, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >> I have just posted a new proposal re Military Bases: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Military_ba

Re: [Tagging] Tagging sewage treatment basins

2020-12-17 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ter=wastewater#chronology - https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/?key=water=wastewater#map -- Joseph Eisenberg On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 3:07 PM François Lacombe wrote: > > > Hi Joseph, > > Le jeu. 17 déc. 2020 à 20:16, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : >> >> I don't think mappers can know

Re: [Tagging] Tagging sewage treatment basins

2020-12-17 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
are leisure <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:leisure>=swimming_pool <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dswimming_pool> I don't see many combinations with usage=* or another tag that might describe how the reservoir or basin is used, so perhaps this could be proposed? -- Joseph E

[Tagging] Tagging sewage treatment basins

2020-12-17 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Eisenberg On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 1:55 AM Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > > > Dec 17, 2020, 08:02 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > > > sent from a phone > > On 16. Dec 2020, at 17:52, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > &g

Re: [Tagging] The saga of landuse=reservoir vs water=reservoir

2020-12-17 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
bute good intentions to others. If there are any problems with the ideas or words of another person, please criticize the misinformation, but do not personally attack anyone or suggest that another mapper had bad intent. Ad hominem arguments are not persuasive nor effective. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Thu,

Re: [Tagging] Rapids (whitewater) on rivers

2020-12-17 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
are also tagged this way, e.g. waterway=dam and waterway=weir. Tagging waterway=rapids on a node allows rapids to be tagged like other waterway barriers to travel and similar to waterfalls. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 2:36 AM Tomas Straupis wrote: > 2020-12-17, kt, 00:02 ael via Tagg

Re: [Tagging] The saga of landuse=reservoir vs water=reservoir

2020-12-17 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
welcome to edit it further if there is information that is missing, incorrect or misleading in the current version of the page. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 11:16 PM Tomas Straupis wrote: > And while we're discussing here, Mateusz is already on a rampage to > change wiki pages,

Re: [Tagging] The saga of landuse=reservoir vs water=reservoir

2020-12-16 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
why the distinction >> between reservoir and basin isn't clear cut to me. >> >> I'm having trouble thinking of it as a basin, but it does seem like this >> is the intended tag. Thanks! >> >> >> >> On Thu, 17 Dec 2020, 12:29 pm Joseph Eisenberg, < >&

Re: [Tagging] The saga of landuse=reservoir vs water=reservoir

2020-12-16 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
(agricultural_reservoir) -- Joseph Eisenberg On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 1:29 PM Joseph Guillaume wrote: > This discussion has convinced me not to use landuse=reservoir. > > It sounds like the only benefit is its historical use, whereas I've > personally seen benefits of the natural=wa

[Tagging] Rapids (whitewater) on rivers

2020-12-16 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
subject to make a proposal to clear things up, but the existing tags seem to be fine. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 12:35 PM Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > > > Dec 16, 2020, 19:27 by kevin.b.ke...@gmail.com: > > The last

Re: [Tagging] destination:ref with direction?

2020-12-16 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Re: "If only we could be this nimble on long standing things like sunsetting ref=* on ways in favor of routes" Handling ref on routes and ways at the same time requires some more complicated processing, and for a long time osm2pgsql did not provide a standard way to do this in a consistent

Re: [Tagging] The saga of landuse=reservoir vs water=reservoir

2020-12-16 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ter, where previously waterway=riverbank was clearly distinguished from lakes. Many map styles distinguish rivers and streams from lakes, since it is often helpful to use a darker color for narrow linear features. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 8:40 AM Kevin Kenny wrote:

Re: [Tagging] How to put a name tag on an area with more than one type?

2020-12-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
well-defined type of relations which only allowed one level of relations to be nested inside of it (that is, all members had to be a valid multipolygon) it might be usable, but it would still get confusing. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:12 AM Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > Would

Re: [Tagging] How to put a name tag on an area with more than one type?

2020-12-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
before but did not find an existing tag. I would suggest a tag like natural=lake_group to be added to a multipolygon which includes each of the lakes, similar to how archipelagos are mapped. -Joseph Eisenberg On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 5:07 AM Anders Torger wrote: > I'll make a small change to

Re: [Tagging] How to put a name tag on an area with more than one type?

2020-12-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
re-process the data to create the polygons: don't make life harder for mappers to save the database users a few CPU cycles. Your time is priceless, fellow mappers. The time of database users is usually a business expense. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 10:44 AM Christoph Horm

Re: [Tagging] How to tag entire group of rentable holiday cottages?

2020-12-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
me kitchens also have dishwashers and conventional ovens. Extended stay hotels are aimed at business travelers on extended assignments, families in the midst of a relocation, and others in need of temporary housing." -- Joseph Eisenberg On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 12:14 PM Paul Allen wrote: &

Re: [Tagging] The saga of landuse=reservoir vs water=reservoir

2020-12-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
an import in 2011 - landuse=reservoir_watershed: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Alanduse%3Dreservoir_watershed -- Joseph Eisenberg On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 10:56 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > On 13. Dec 2020, at 18:49, Tomas Straupis

Re: [Tagging] How to put a name tag on an area with more than one type?

2020-12-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Currently the features with the tag "name=Kebnekaise" are 2 ways which extend north-south and to the west from these two peaks and are also tagged natural=arete (an arete is a knife-edged ridge formed between 2 glaciers). https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/123215393#map=13/67.8934/18.4509=C

Re: [Tagging] The saga of landuse=reservoir vs water=reservoir

2020-12-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
red differently, and tagging as natural=water risks losing this information invisibly, if the water=river tag is accidentally or intentionally deleted - this is partially the fault of OpenStreetMap-Carto for not yet rendering any difference between rivers and standing water. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Sun, D

Re: [Tagging] How to put a name tag on an area with more than one type?

2020-12-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ey the mountain extends, everyone agrees that the highest peak is part of the mountain, so mapping peaks of a mountain as a node is 100% verifiably to be correct. In some cases a linear way is also verifiable for a ridge or a linear mountain range. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 7:

[Tagging] Is landuse=conservation actually deprecated?

2020-12-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ap.org/tags/boundary=protected_area#chronology Is it correct to say that landuse=conservation has been deprecated, practically, by boundary=protected_area <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dprotected_area>, even though that tag has not been appr

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-11 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
it in the silly ones like "military_service=space_force". -- Joseph Eisenberg On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 2:06 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 10. Dec 2020, at 22:55, Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: > > > > military_s

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-10 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
and British Army use "military service" sometimes too, and mention the overall "British Armed Services", "Her Majesty's Naval Service", etc. Disclaimer: I don't speak the British dialect of English (aka "Her Majesty's English?" :-) ) -- Joseph Eisenberg O

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-09 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
military=danger_area features which are not in landuse=military e.g: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/315105891, https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/26165183 (danger_area) https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/151330951, https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/485899442 (office) -- Joseph Eisenberg On Tue, Dec 8

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:healthcare=vaccination_centre

2020-12-09 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
is new tag is for dedicated vaccination centres. Please comment on the proposal discussion page ( https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Tag:healthcare%3Dvaccination_centre) or here. -- Joseph Eisenberg ___ Tagging mailing li

Re: [Tagging] edit war related to tagging of a bus-only major road

2020-12-09 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
sometimes using also service <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:service>=busway <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:service%3Dbusway>." I would support establishing this tag highway=busway for roadways which are exclusively for the use of buses. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 a

Re: [Tagging] Drawing/painting schools

2020-12-08 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Yes, amenity=art_school appears to be the most common way to map places that offer training in the visual arts. — Joseph Eisenberg On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 4:06 PM Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > On 12/8/20 16:12, Hauke Stieler wrote: > > Hi, > > > > today I encountered a drawi

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature - RFC - Military Bases

2020-12-07 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
, military=danger_area <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Amilitary%3Ddanger_area>, military=barracks, and so on. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 4:22 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Following on from comments made in regard to deprecating both emergency= & > ame

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Military=Coast-Guard & Rescue=Marine_Rescue

2020-12-06 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
%3Dlifeguard_base Also emergence=lifeguard_tower, emergency=lifeguard_platform, emergency=lifeguard are all documented - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency%3Dlifeguard -- Joseph Eisenberg ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hazards

2020-12-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
considering heading out with a can of spray-paint, please check your local vandalism legislation... :-) ) -- Joseph Eisenberg On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 9:43 AM Volker Schmidt wrote: > Hi, > I have been following this proposal with interest. I often have tried to > tag hazards, and not found a

Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> > On 2020-12-05 00:07, Clay Smalley wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2020, 5:00 PM Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > >> The wiki page text says that a railway=funicular is "A funicular, also >> known as an inclined plane or cliff railway, is a cable railway in which a >&g

Re: [Tagging] Inclined elevators

2020-12-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
riven inclined railway” - and this could include many types of "inclined elevators” which mostly run on rails too. So mappers might be using railway=funicular for inclined elevators already. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 2:55 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > On Fri,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hazards

2020-12-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
=collapse or hazard=toxic_air would be clearer - it's not always obvious which kind of hazard to expect. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 12:38 PM Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > There's a few usages of hazard=golf_balls, which is more like what you're > describing and actually a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hazards (verifiability - frost heave?)

2020-12-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ery single curve on a long curvy road, or add very subjective hazard features which cannot be confirmed or denied even when visiting the location in person. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 12:43 PM Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > > This was a concern of mine as well. I did

Re: [Tagging] RFC Update - Hazard Proposal - rock/land fall/slide

2020-12-03 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Not all land slides are rock slides. Some are mostly silt or loamy soil, so are often “mudslides”, e.g. in the Northwest Pacific coast of Canada and the US: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Oso_mudslide So I would prefer “landslide” as a more general term. - Joseph Eisenberg On Thu, Dec 3

Re: [Tagging] RFC: vaccination / COVID-19 vaccination centres

2020-11-25 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
=* or amenity=* for a place that specializes in administering immunizations only. healthcare:speciality=vaccination is not a primary feature tag, but a secondary tag which needs to be added to something under the key amenity=* or healthcare=*. Perhaps amenity=vaccination_centre would work? -- Joseph

Re: [Tagging] Elevated housing estate

2020-11-24 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Is the whole ground level a parking lot or parking structure, perhaps? On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 4:03 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > How do you tag an area, in this case an entire housing estate!, that is > raised up above ground level? > > >

Re: [Tagging] surface=rock

2020-11-21 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
going to be used in different ways based on British English. But it is unlikely that most mappers will understand the difference. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 11:25 AM Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > > > Nov 21, 2020, 17:43 by

Re: [Tagging] coastline v. water

2020-11-21 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
and https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:waterway%3Dtidal_channel - most of the "creek" features along the Bay are tidal channels. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 6:46 AM Eric H. Christensen via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > ‐

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Pumping proposal

2020-11-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
bucket, also one powered well in this village. https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6449466014#map=18/14.52455/121.05865=H - water well with a manual pump in a school yard - also another one in the school to the east. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 9:19 PM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > On t

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Pumping proposal

2020-11-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ow much more helpful. I am quite frustrated that this proposal has gone forward even though these concerns were brought up months ago on the Talk page. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 4:23 AM François Lacombe wrote: > Dear Mateusz, > > Proposal goes through different stage

Re: [Tagging] coastline v. water

2020-11-18 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
the river widens out), there is no doubt that Chesapeake Bay is part of the marine environment. — Joseph Eisenberg On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 12:24 PM Eric H. Christensen via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > After a few days of much work, a recent collaborative projec

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate water=pond?

2020-11-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
If anyone wants to map beaver dams, I would suggest natural=beaver_dam since this would use a common key ("natural") rather than inventing a new one. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 11:10 AM Tom Pfeifer wrote: > beaver_made = dam ? > > On 14.11.2020 04:02

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate water=pond?

2020-11-13 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
t Canada Creek > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Canada_Creek#/media/File:Aug_2011_Ft_Noble_Mtn.JPG > I'm comfortable with `waterway=river` on any waterway where I map the > riverbank. > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 2:52 PM Paul Allen wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 at

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - Place of mourning (replacing "Chapel of rest")

2020-11-12 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
See comments on the last proposal: "*It is redundant. I really don't understand why we need another tag for a room or building where families and friends can come and view someone who has died before their funeral. The tag shop=funeral_directors fits perfectly the definition of this new tag

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a threshing floor

2020-11-12 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
a proposal so that the community can discuss this. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 2:53 PM António Madeira via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > So, given that most of those who commented this thread agreed that > threshing_floor should be in the man_made scheme,

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate water=pond?

2020-11-12 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
uot;a man-made pond", but since this is not likely to succeed, we should provide clear alternatives. Of course it will remain possible to just use natural=water with no additional tag, if it's not known whether an inland body of still water is man-made or natural. -- Joseph Eisenberg

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate water=pond?

2020-11-12 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
distinguishes sea water from inland still waters and flowing rivers, and also distinguish artificial from natural water bodies and watercourses -- Joseph Eisenberg On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 3:50 AM OSM wrote: > > > Am 11.11.2020 um 18:25 schrieb Peter Elderson: > > I am getting a

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate water=pond?

2020-11-12 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
n Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 4:41 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am Do., 12. Nov. 2020 um 02:33 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < > joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > >> Ok, it looks like enough people feel that a very small artificial water >> body, like a decorative pond in a reside

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate water=pond?

2020-11-11 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
clearly not natural, such as ponds in gardens. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 1:59 AM Andy Mabbett wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 at 05:26, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > > I think the best option is to deprecate water=pond and suggest using water=lake for > >

[Tagging] Deprecate water=pond?

2020-11-09 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
sing water=lake for natural lakes, even small ones, and use water=reservoir or water=basin (or landuse=reservoir or =basin if you prefer) for the artificial ones. -- Joseph Eisenberg ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Mapping terraced, irrigated farmland (e.g. rice paddies)?

2020-11-08 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
a distance: https://pixabay.com/it/photos/uomo-riso-paddy-lavoro-panorama-5524518/ -- Joseph Eisenberg On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 2:26 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > A while back, we had a discussion / proposal about mapping steps as an > area, so that each step was mapped. > > Would

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-08 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
of the code. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 8:36 PM Martin Machyna wrote: > I absolutely agree with Seth, OSM should switch to vector tiles ASAP. And > there should be several specialized layers: general car navigation map, > sport map for hiking/cycling/skiing, transporta

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

2020-11-08 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
first step), but it is quite difficult to achieve a good result with currently available open source tools, and there will have to be some compromises which worsen the cartography in some cases. I have not heard an update on this project in the past few months, so it may be stalled. -- Joseph Eisenbe

Re: [Tagging] Mapping terraced, irrigated farmland (e.g. rice paddies)?

2020-11-08 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Cascafico Giovanni wrote: > Hi Joseph, > > retaining wall [1] is applicable to whatever area > > > Il dom 8 nov 2020, 06:50 Joseph Eisenberg ha > scritto: > >> Is there a specific tag or method for mapping terraced farmland? >> > > [1] https://wiki

[Tagging] Mapping terraced, irrigated farmland (e.g. rice paddies)?

2020-11-07 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
t option? Perhaps man_made=embankment between each layer? -- Joseph Eisenberg ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a threshing floor

2020-11-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
oric sites or for special festivals, as shown in the photos in the wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threshing_floor My preference would be for man_made=threshing_floor however. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 10:57 AM António Madeira via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - electricity=*

2020-11-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
anent or semi-permanent characteristics which are unlikely to change in the next few months. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 6:36 AM Lukas Richert wrote: > I have now switched over the tagging and examples to the namespace based > tagging of grid and generator. Overall, t

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

2020-11-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
common in Southeast Asia, BTW. This room might also have been called a "sitting room", and now is likely the "living room". Do you have a link? Do you think that anyone in the 2000s is likely to be confused by the term amenity=mourning_room? -- Joseph Eisenberg On Thu, N

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Rideshare Access

2020-10-31 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ed_Kingdom#Private_hire_(minicabs) -- Joseph EIsenberg On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 10:51 AM Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > Actually I quite like "private_hire" as an access value. > > > Are you suggesting access=private_hire as a tag? That would not be > consistent with how taxi

Re: [Tagging] Defining the meaning of capacity tag for tourism=camp_site

2020-10-31 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Re: "That would be a camp site you can enter with a motorhome, but not with a trailer." I don't think that exists in the real world. Motorhomes (aka RVs) are quite large and long, usually bigger than the combination of a small caravan (aka trailer) + motorcar. -- Joseph Eisenberg On S

Re: [Tagging] How are busways mapped, which are not guideways?

2020-10-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ese: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/4226#issue-724131173 -- Joseph Eisenberg On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 4:02 AM Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > 18 paź 2020, 20:22 od joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com: > > While the cur

Re: [Tagging] How are busways mapped, which are not guideways?

2020-10-18 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
://www.openstreetmap.org/way/443134693 While the current tagging is ok, it seems inconsistent that highway=bus_guideway gets its own tag, while other busways which are similar in function are tagged as highway=service. - Joseph Eisenberg On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 1:38 AM Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagg

[Tagging] How are busways mapped, which are not guideways?

2020-10-18 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
of highway=service, for standard busways: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=busway A new tag would require database users to adapt, but since guided busways already have a specific tag, it seems odd that other exclusive busways are mapped only as service roads. -- Joseph Eisenberg

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Rideshare Access

2020-10-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
source for a definition. Is a Gojek motorcycle a rideshare vehicle? See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gojek What about pedicabs (tricycles) which are hailed with a smartphone app? Or should only passenger cars be included? What about taxis which also get fares via an app? - Joseph Eisenberg On Wed,

[Tagging] How do you map traffic signals where right or left turns are allowed or not allowed on a red light?

2020-10-11 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
hen this would not always be expected. It's most often used in Dresden. Oddly, it is proposed on the page that you could also use "red_turn:straight:bicycle=yes" to say that "bicycles are allowed to go straight at this traffic light when it is red", but this sounds very strange t

[Tagging] Mapping floating booms?

2020-10-08 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
with it, mostly in the the Netherlands. I wouldn't really recommend this tag since it is excessively complicated. So, what's the best option? man_made=boom, barrier=boom, waterway=floating_barrier? - Joseph Eisenberg ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstre

Re: [Tagging] Battery swapping spot in a charging station or being an individual tag?

2020-10-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
It's better to create a new tag like "amenity=battery_swapping" or something like that, because this is not a place where you can plug in your own electric vehicle to charge it. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 10:00 AM 德泉 談 via Tagging wrote: > Hi All, > > I

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Takeaway drink shops

2020-10-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
othies all under the same tag. A smoothie is hardly similar to a hot coffee, no? Also, based on the current definition it's not clear whether or not this tag could be used for shops which sell alcoholic drinks: this is an important distinction. - Joseph Eisenberg On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 12:20

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (shop=direct marketing)

2020-10-01 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ppropriate, or if there is no public shop then perhaps a new value craft=butcher would work. If the hunter is selling whole animal carcassas without any preparation, perhaps a different value is better. I'm having trouble imagining a situation where "direct_marketing" is the best description. -- Jose

Re: [Tagging] Large fire perimeter tagging?

2020-09-24 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
: it is a temporary event which is not really verifiable from the standpoint of an OpenStreetMap volunteer mapper. Database users who need these perimeters should download the latest version from the official sources. - Joseph Eisenberg On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 2:32 PM stevea wrote: > I didn't

Re: [Tagging] Best practices regarding implied tags

2020-09-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
. Does anyone think that it is a good idea to add those two new tags in this particular situation? -Joseph Eisenberg On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 9:46 AM François Lacombe wrote: > Thank you all for replies > > Then the current proposal sounds to be ok regarding what is said upside. > I

[Tagging] Addition of highway=emergency_bay and priority_road=yes to Map Features?

2020-09-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
g/wiki/Key:priority_road https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Demergency_bay I question whether these tags are established enough to merit inclusion on the Highway map features page and the main Map Features list. Thoughts? - Joseph Eisenberg ___ Tagging mailing

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of individual terraced houses?

2020-09-07 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I am confused. Do you want to map the whole thing as a single building=terrace, or each part separately as it’s own building=* area? Where would you use the tag terraced=yes or terraced=apartments? On a building:part=* or on individually drawn building=house areas? -Joseph On Mon, Sep 7, 2020

Re: [Tagging] Biker’s rests

2020-09-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
In US English we seem to call these “leaning rails”, but they are fairly new. I’m not sure what term is correct in British English. Since they are distinctive features, they can be mapped, perhaps using the man_made= key. -Joseph Eisenberg On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 10:46 AM Grzegorz Szymaszek

[Tagging] Village swings, for adults, in Eastern Europe and elsewhere?

2020-08-24 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
onal village swings in Estonia are different than the modern ones for children, but they are clearly the same sort of thing, though with a different audience. Should we suggest using playground=swing even for these traditional devices for adults, or is it better to have a totally

Re: [Tagging] Network-tag needs extension

2020-08-24 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Since the tag has already been used 20k times, it is ok to make a page which documents how the tag is currently being used by most mappers. But if you want to change the definition Or other wiki pa a, or recommended use of any tags, then you should use the proposal process. - Joseph Eisenbweg

Re: [Tagging] Benches and hostile architecture

2020-08-24 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ted", "skating=obstructed" or something like that? I also think it would be a good idea to tag the physical obstructions, like width=, length=, slope=, arm_rests=, spikes=, skatestoppers=, etc, as others have mentioned. – Joseph Eisenberg On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 6:46 AM Vucod via Tagging

Re: [Tagging] bridge:name and tunnel:name

2020-08-23 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
it. Sometimes a layer tag is needed. For simple bridges this is not really necessary, though most editors prompt you to add it for consistency. - Joseph Eisenberg On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 10:24 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > > On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 at 10:30, Martin Koppenhoe

Re: [Tagging] Benches and hostile architecture

2020-08-23 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
yes" or "skate_prevention=yes", don't use "hostile_architecture=yes" because that is non-specific: it's not clear if what is prevented is sitting, lying down, or skating. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 2:20 PM Peter Elderson wrote: > > The British reall

Re: [Tagging] Benches and hostile architecture

2020-08-23 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
lar. But I admit that none of those options are perfectly clear. Perhaps someone else has a better phrase? We want to make it clear that lying down or sitting down is not allowed or physical obstructed, right? -- Joseph Eisenberg On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 10:38 AM Paul Allen wrote: > &

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -Funeral hall

2020-08-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
as amenity=place_of_worship - or is that also a mistake? - Joseph Eisenberg On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 7:13 AM wrote: > Not important at all. I just think that if it is ancillary to the > business of selling coffins, transporting corpses, preparing them for > burial, doing paperwork in

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -Funeral hall

2020-08-18 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
There is already an existing tag with similar meaning for funeral homes / funeral halls / funeral directors: shop=funeral_directors. The use of the key "shop=" is odd, but it's been used over 20,000 times so it seems to be well established:

Re: [Tagging] Waterway equivalent of noexit=yes?

2020-08-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
The “rise” where the stream comes back to the surface would usually be mapped as natural=spring If there is also a cave entrance at the same spot where the watercourse exits a cave, then the tag natural=cave_entrance can be used - Joseph On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 6:21 AM Kevin Kenny wrote: > On

Re: [Tagging] Waterway equivalent of noexit=yes?

2020-08-12 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
=cave_entrance can also be used when a waterway drops into a sinkhole or other open cave entrance, often found in limestone (karst) geology areas. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 9:52 AM Paul Allen wrote: > On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 17:07, Tod Fitch wrote: > >> >> To

Re: [Tagging] Aerialway stations

2020-08-12 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
uite large, since there are urban systems and tourist systems in flat regions (theme parks) as well as mountain areas. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 8:04 AM Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > 1) is bottom station always in valley? > (

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - more parking types

2020-08-07 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Re: status to indicate "was not voted upon but is widely used and most people are happy with it" That's the "de facto" status. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 6:09 AM Paul Allen wrote: > On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 at 13:53, Matthew Woehlke > wrote:

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-05 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Maracaibo So, does this mean that Lago de Maracaibo could be mapped as natural=water or waterway=riverbank instead, if local mappers feel it is a lake rather than a tidal bay / estuary? (It is currently mapped with natural=coastline and with a relation tagged as n

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
is the inclusion of Bahia Samborombon in the estuary. The charts and satellite images show very little influence from river water in that area, as well as in the section of coast east of Montevideo. – Joseph Eisenberg On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 12:42 PM wrote: > > > - Mensaje original ---

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
river current at all. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_River By using the dominant currents as a definition, this allows local mappers with knowledge of the water to determine the right tagging. -- Joseph Eisenberg ___ Tagging mailing list Tag

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
~30 to 50 km (20 to 30 miles) wide till after Buenos Aires, then becomes almost 100 km wide by the time it opens up at Montevideo and Samborombon Bay. The people who named the rivers and the estuary recognized a difference. - Joseph Eisenberg On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 12:23 PM Kevin Kenny wrote: >

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
ge of the river. It would not prevent mapping the Hudson mouth at the southern tip of Manhattan, because the flow is strong all the way to New York Harbor, if I understand correctly. - Joseph Eisenberg On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 11:54 AM Kevin Kenny wrote: > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 12:59 PM Christo

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
would suggest that the natural=coastline should cross no farther downstream than Quebec City, where the river widens into the huge lower estuary. Similarly, should Puget Sound and San Francisco Bay be mapped as natural=water + water=river? These are also estuaries. -- Joseph Eisenberg On Tue, Aug 4

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

2020-08-04 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
d the baseline as far out to sea as possible, so that they can claim a larger area of ocean as an exclusive economic zone. This should not influence tagging in OpenStreetMap, which needs to be based on real, verifiable, physical characteristics. – Joseph Eisenberg On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 7:57

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Ground: natural=bare_soil)

2020-08-03 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
es in your area which would fit the proposed definition, and then come back with photos plus aerial imagery of the areas which ought to be mapped with this tag. So far it has been mostly hypothetical, which makes it hard to understand which sorts of landscapes would qualify for this tag. - Joseph

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