Re: [Tagging] lanes - is "parking allowed" a parking lane?

2020-11-20 Thread Mark Wagner via Tagging
In most if not all of the United States, the cars *would* be parked illegally: most places have a law stating that you can't park on the side of the road if doing so would obstruct traffic. For example, from the Spokane Municipal Code: > It is unlawful for any person to park, or leave parked, a

Re: [Tagging] "width" on streets: Time for a recommendation

2020-09-15 Thread Mark Wagner
On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 10:09:17 +0200 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > on unpaved > roads, measure the extent of the maximum width that vehicles actually > use, on a medium to narrow part of the highway (i.e. do not add the > smallest width to a long stretch of highway if it only occurs for a > short

Re: [Tagging] Waterway equivalent of noexit=yes?

2020-08-12 Thread Mark Wagner
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 19:37:40 +0100 Paul Allen wrote: > On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 18:36, Tod Fitch wrote: > > > Not yet mapped, but my prototype case can be seen in the Bing > > Imagery with an area that collect water around 33.99268,-116.22239 > > and flows generally to the east and north only to

Re: [Tagging] narrow=yes, vs lanes=1, vs width

2020-07-27 Thread Mark Wagner
On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 07:36:00 -0600 Rob Savoye wrote: > My entire county is contained within a national forest, and most of > the roads through residential areas are a single lane dirt road > maintained (sort-of) by the homeowners themselves. Often at the last > house the road becomes an

Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

2020-07-23 Thread Mark Wagner
On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 22:49:47 +0200 bkil wrote: > Am I understanding correctly that this is what the wilderness rules > would like to achieve? > vehicle=no + scooter=prohibited + bicycle=prohibited + > moped=prohibited + unicycle=prohibited + hand_cart=prohibited + > wheeled_luggage=prohibited >

Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

2020-07-22 Thread Mark Wagner
On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 11:29:17 +0200 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > And we would have to define what „bicycle“ means. > > Are these bicycles? > 1. > https://www.picclickimg.com/00/s/ODAwWDgwMA==/z/F-8AAOSwstJZXeV2/$_12.JPG > > 2. > http://img0.biker-boarder.de/detail_oxp1/g13_edge_raw.jpg > > 3.

Re: [Tagging] network tag on route relations

2020-07-12 Thread Mark Wagner
On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 17:51:29 +0200 Peter Elderson wrote: > Aren't Interstate and US evident from the geographic extent as well? > The US has two national highway networks: * The Interstate Highway System, major high-speed roads connecting major cities. * The United States Numbered Highway

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Ground)

2020-07-12 Thread Mark Wagner
On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 19:36:10 +0200 mbranco2 wrote: > Maybe images was shot in a particular season, and the soil condition > is not always the same? > Well, if I check several imageries and in all of them I see a > "desertic land", I'm confident I can map that area with the tag we're > talking

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

2020-06-26 Thread Mark Wagner
On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 17:41:31 +0100 Paul Allen wrote: > On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 at 17:28, Jarek Piórkowski > wrote: > > > > > I would suggest using an amenity tag rather than a shop tag since > > it's much more like a cafe or a fast food place than a store. > > > > I can see that it's more like

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

2020-06-09 Thread Mark Wagner
On Tue, 9 Jun 2020 11:01:30 -0600 brad wrote: > I think if it's wide enough for a normal motor vehicle and is open > for that, even if only service & emergency, it should not be =path. > track or service In the United States, and probably in most other common-law countries, *everything* is open

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-06-03 Thread Mark Wagner
On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 12:24:45 +0200 (CEST) Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > Jun 3, 2020, 07:03 by mark+...@carnildo.com: > > > On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 12:39:14 +0200 (CEST) > > Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > > > >> Jun 2, 2020, 03:52 by c933...@gmail.com: > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > 在

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Should we map things that do not exist?

2020-06-02 Thread Mark Wagner
On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 12:39:14 +0200 (CEST) Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > Jun 2, 2020, 03:52 by c933...@gmail.com: > > > > > > > 在 2020年6月2日週二 09:26,Warin <> 61sundow...@gmail.com> > 寫道: > > > >> On 30/5/20 12:48 am, Volker Schmidt wrote: > >> > My main point is that out there are

Re: [Tagging] Change of wiki page Key:access

2020-05-27 Thread Mark Wagner
On Wed, 27 May 2020 08:26:55 +0200 Colin Smale wrote: > On 2020-05-26 19:31, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > > > May 26, 2020, 19:19 by f...@zz.de: > > On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 06:46:11PM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny via > > Tagging wrote: May 26, 2020, 18:04 by fernando.treb...@gmail.com:

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-12 Thread Mark Wagner
On Tue, 12 May 2020 23:53:52 +0800 Phake Nick wrote: > Except capacity is only one of many differences between common taxi > and motorcycle taxi. Are there any differences that can't be explained by the fact that a motorcycle taxi uses a motorcycle to carry the passengers? For example, in the

Re: [Tagging] RFC ele:regional

2020-05-04 Thread Mark Wagner
On Sun, 3 May 2020 14:16:09 +0200 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > > > On 3. May 2020, at 13:06, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > > > When I see an elevation value on the ground I do not see any > > reference to the reference system, so I cannot know, as a mapper, > > what reference

Re: [Tagging] highway=service, service=driveway vs highway=track

2020-05-01 Thread Mark Wagner
On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 16:45:48 -0400 Greg Troxel wrote: > Mike Thompson writes: > > > I have always been under the impression that the highway tag should > > be based off of function. Recently I have come across a number of > > cases where driveways and residential roads were tagged > >

Re: [Tagging] With leisure=common deprecated, Senegal & Mali need a replacement

2020-04-30 Thread Mark Wagner
On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 12:08:22 +0200 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am Do., 30. Apr. 2020 um 11:59 Uhr schrieb Warin > <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > > > On 30/4/20 7:29 pm, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > > > > > Am Do., 30. Apr. 2020 um 11:18 Uhr schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier < > >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - traffic_signals=crossing_on_demand

2020-04-13 Thread Mark Wagner
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 18:42:42 +0200 lukas-...@web.de wrote: > The second goal my proposal wants to message is to deprecate tagging > "crossing=traffic_signals" together with "highway=traffic_signals" on > the same node. Especially if you're saying this is a full crossing > mapped. It breaks the

Re: [Tagging] Can highway=cycleway be limited to MTB?

2020-04-02 Thread Mark Wagner
On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 10:53:57 -0400 Kevin Kenny wrote: > On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 5:12 AM Volker Schmidt > wrote: > > > > If a highway is mtb:scale=2 it is definitely not a cycleway. It is > > a highway=path with mtb:scale=2 If this were to encounter a > > "cycleway" with mtb:scale=2 , I would

Re: [Tagging] key damage and HOT

2020-02-06 Thread Mark Wagner
On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 08:12:17 + Paul Allen wrote: > Lifecycle prefixes prevent rendering of the feature. They are > equivalent to deleting the feature tag and adding a note to the > effect that the object is a disused . Except that the word > "disused" might not appear in the note and a

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-31 Thread Mark Wagner
On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 15:23:59 -0600 Paul Johnson wrote: > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:15 PM Kevin Kenny > wrote: > > > Oh, and a further corner case: Are we agreed that something like > > "Old Route 7" has become a name? It's no longer a ref, because > > Route 7 is now elsewhere. It appears on

Re: [Tagging] Active volcanoes

2020-01-27 Thread Mark Wagner
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 18:47:39 +1100 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 27/1/20 6:24 pm, John Willis via Tagging wrote: > > I agree with you that this is the scale that volcanologists use, > > but people want to draw a distinction between something that > > erupted recently compared sometime

Re: [Tagging] Active volcanoes

2020-01-27 Thread Mark Wagner
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 09:02:17 +1100 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 27/1/20 1:32 am, Paul Allen wrote: > > On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 at 20:44, Kevin Kenny > > wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 2:38 PM Paul Allen > >

Re: [Tagging] Active volcanoes

2020-01-24 Thread Mark Wagner
On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 14:04:21 +0100 Cascafico Giovanni wrote: > vHello ML! > this query [1] is supposed to display active volcanes. I made some > research using Sentinel-2 browser, but it happens that most volcanoes > doesn't have an infrared response [2]. > > Which is the criteria to tag

Re: [Tagging] What values of 'emergency=' should be on the main Map features page?

2020-01-18 Thread Mark Wagner
On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 22:18:10 +0900 Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > Should we remove some of the rare values of "emergency=" which have > got into Map Features? > ) =fire_hose "A high-pressure hose used to carry water or other fire > retardant (such as foam) to a fire to extinguish it." - 1115 uses >

Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

2019-11-07 Thread Mark Wagner
On Thu, 7 Nov 2019 16:13:49 -0500 Jmapb via Tagging wrote: > On 11/7/2019 2:09 PM, Mark Wagner wrote: > > On Thu, 7 Nov 2019 10:26:14 + > > marc marc wrote: > > > >> ere possession of a bicycle is forbidden > >> can you share the a picture of thi

Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

2019-11-07 Thread Mark Wagner
On Thu, 7 Nov 2019 10:26:14 + marc marc wrote: > Hello, > > Le 06.11.19 à 19:55, Mark Wagner a écrit : > > There are places like federal Wilderness Areas in the United States > > where possession of a bicycle is forbidden > > can you share the a picture of t

Re: [Tagging] New tag proposal: 'addr=milestone'

2019-10-01 Thread Mark Wagner
On Tue, 01 Oct 2019 09:01:06 +0200 Colin Smale wrote: > On 2019-10-01 08:18, Florian Lohoff wrote: > > > Hi Jorge, > > > > On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 08:15:37PM -0600, Jorge Aguirre wrote: > > > >> Throughouthe entire Latin American region and some other parts of > >> the world, it is quite

Re: [Tagging] Colby's "Instructions for the Interior Survey of Ireland" (Was: Strange tags)

2019-09-30 Thread Mark Wagner
On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 12:42:38 + Philip Barnes wrote: > On Monday, 30 September 2019, Paul Allen wrote: > > On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 at 12:41, Andrew Davidson > > wrote: > > > On 30/9/19 9:24 pm, Paul Allen wrote: > > > > > > > > I can't remember where I saw it, or even what I was looking for >

Re: [Tagging] "not:brand" to mark a shop that isn't part of a chain?

2019-09-19 Thread Mark Wagner
On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 10:52:01 -0400 Jmapb via Tagging wrote: > On 9/14/2019 10:53 AM, Tim Magee wrote: > > I would absolutely agree with this use case. Especially for cases > > such as the regularly mentioned Burger King. If somebody from out > > of town is either traveling through or armchair

Re: [Tagging] "part:wikidata=*" tag proposal for multiple elements connected to the same wikidata id

2019-09-13 Thread Mark Wagner
On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 18:29:04 +0200 Janko Mihelić wrote: > pet, 13. ruj 2019. u 17:31 Paul Allen napisao je: > > > On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 at 09:45, Janko Mihelić > > wrote: > > > > The correct way to group them is with a relation. If we don't have > > a suitable type of relation then propose

Re: [Tagging] Draft proposal for Key:aerodrome

2019-09-10 Thread Mark Wagner
Which is likely to cause confusion, because in the United States, an "international airport" is one that's got customs facilities. John F. Kennedy International (New York City's largest airport) and Eckhart International (a small grass strip near the Idaho-Canada border) are both considered

Re: [Tagging] bear box in campground ?

2019-08-21 Thread Mark Wagner
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:44:41 -0600 Rob Savoye wrote: > Many western state campgrounds have metal bear proof food storage > boxes in each campsite, but not all of them. At certain times of the > year this can be important. :-) Around here the bears will destroy > your car if there is food left

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of State Parks in the US

2019-08-07 Thread Mark Wagner
On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 14:49:40 -0700 Clifford Snow wrote: > I’m probably getting out into the weeds here, but I think it’s worth > mentioning that there are also *state park properties*… > > *State Park Properties:* Lands owned by the agency that are being > held for future development (and lack

Re: [Tagging] Road hierarchy

2019-08-04 Thread Mark Wagner
On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 09:35:41 +0300 Tomas Straupis wrote: > Hello > > Road hierarchy is needed for a number of things: > * deciding which classes of roads to display on different scales in > a map > * performing road network validation > * other tasks (f.e. typification of buildings -

Re: [Tagging] Subkeys like payment:*=yes/no? | Re: Country code value prefix? | Re: Feature Proposal - Voting - Tag:insurance:health

2019-08-02 Thread Mark Wagner
Won't work in the US, as values have a size limit of 255 bytes, and there are more *insurance plans* than that in the US. You might be able to pack everything in by treating the value as a bitfield. -- Mark On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 16:52:22 +0900 Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > I’m normally not in

Re: [Tagging] maxstay=0

2019-07-15 Thread Mark Wagner
On Mon, 15 Jul 2019 13:33:46 +0200 joost schouppe wrote: > Hi, > > The most common value for maxstay=* is 0. There is no guidance on the > wiki on how to interpret this. However, the below is used to explain > that you cannot use the parking on Sunday and public holidays. > >

Re: [Tagging] track smoothness/quality

2019-07-03 Thread Mark Wagner
On Tue, 2 Jul 2019 19:10:24 -0600 brad wrote: > Unfortunately, the wiki for highway, in the section for track says: " > To describe the quality of a track, see tracktype > =*. " > But, as described in the wiki,  tracktype is not very relevant

Re: [Tagging] Idea for a new tag: amenity=power_supply

2019-06-25 Thread Mark Wagner
On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 01:23:35 +0100 Paul Allen wrote: > On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 at 23:56, Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 at 04:53, Paul Allen wrote: > > > >> Having power_supply=yes indicates that the socket type is unknown, > >> > > > > But wouldn't that default as

Re: [Tagging] wheelchair = hiking

2019-06-19 Thread Mark Wagner
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 13:57:25 -0700 Nick Bolten wrote: > > IMO wheelchair=yes means accessible for most basic wheelchairs. > > Yes, but it's something that is frequently difficult to estimate. After learning that the trail from the Old Faithful viewing area to Castle Geyser isn't considered

Re: [Tagging] shop=cannabis including medical cannabis

2019-06-14 Thread Mark Wagner via Tagging
Not in most parts of the world where medical cannabis is sold. In most places, medical cannabis is in a legal grey area, and no reputable pharmacy would risk its license by dispensing something that is still on the books as an illegal drug. -- Mark On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 19:15:14 +0200 Tobias

Re: [Tagging] Marking temporary traffic organisation change

2019-05-08 Thread Mark Wagner
On Wed, 8 May 2019 17:35:09 + marc marc wrote: > Le 08.05.19 à 17:00, Mateusz Konieczny a écrit : > > sometimes change is applied for months > > > How one may mark that such change is temporary? > > > > It would be useful for at least two reasons: > > - it would easier to catch roads for

Re: [Tagging] Avoid using place=locality - find more specific tags instead

2019-04-17 Thread Mark Wagner
On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 11:19:52 +0900 Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > I have reviewed all the features tagged as place=locality in 2 places > in the USA and 2 in Europe, and found that 3 out of 4, place=locality > is usually used for features that could be tagged with a more specific > tag. >... > Out

Re: [Tagging] Tag for a plateau or tableland?

2019-04-17 Thread Mark Wagner
On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 09:44:33 +0200 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > > > On 17. Apr 2019, at 06:55, Joseph Eisenberg > > wrote: > > > > I searched taginfo for "tableland", "table_land", "table-land", > > "plateau" and "mesa". > > > > There are 94 natural=plateau and 3

Re: [Tagging] Subtag for place=locality?

2019-04-15 Thread Mark Wagner
On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 13:25:14 +0200 Christoph Hormann wrote: > place=locality is currently used as a generic tag for anything with a > name for which no established more precise tag exists. > > This kind of contradicts the idea of OSM which would normally suggest > to invent a new tag then for

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Grain Storage Centre

2019-04-05 Thread Mark Wagner
On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 16:38:56 + Philip Barnes wrote: > On Friday, 5 April 2019, Richard Welty wrote: > > On 4/5/19 11:19 AM, Cédric Mélac wrote: > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Grain_Storage_Centre > > > Defintion: A large site with many silos and barns which > >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Runway Holding Positions

2019-03-28 Thread Mark Wagner
On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 13:27:23 -0400 Steven Estes wrote: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/runway_holding_position > > Proposing the addition of runway holding position markings (commonly > called hold lines). Runway holding position markings are painted > markings on an

Re: [Tagging] I have been tagging mosques wrong all along

2019-03-25 Thread Mark Wagner
On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 09:38:09 +1100 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 24/03/19 21:15, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > sent from a phone > > > >> Am 23.03.2019 um 15:12 schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier : > >> > >> Mosque complex: tag the whole plot (often the perimeter is also > >>

Re: [Tagging] tagging laboratories

2019-03-05 Thread Mark Wagner
On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 14:03:37 +1100 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 04/03/19 21:25, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > Am Mo., 4. März 2019 um 09:37 Uhr schrieb Warin > > <61sundow...@gmail.com >: > > > > > > > > These can be commercialfirms, part of the

Re: [Tagging] Clarification unclassified vs residential

2019-03-02 Thread Mark Wagner
On Sat, 2 Mar 2019 02:05:46 +0100 Sergio Manzi wrote: > On 2019-03-02 01:33, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > sent from a phone > > > >> On 1. Mar 2019, at 13:45, Mateusz Konieczny > >> wrote: > >> > >> I would tag max weight, I would not tag emergency=no. > > > > +1, it will not exclude

Re: [Tagging] Clarification unclassified vs residential

2019-02-27 Thread Mark Wagner
On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 09:23:52 +0100 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > > > On 27. Feb 2019, at 08:56, Mark Wagner > > wrote: > > > > The best way I've found to identify "real" hamlets is the presence > > of a cemetery. >

Re: [Tagging] Clarification unclassified vs residential

2019-02-26 Thread Mark Wagner
On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 17:52:19 -0300 Fernando Trebien wrote: > On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 3:46 AM Mark Wagner > wrote: > > When you did your query for hamlets, I'm afraid you ran headlong > > into a quirk of American political geography. Historically, the > > postal service

Re: [Tagging] Clarification unclassified vs residential

2019-02-20 Thread Mark Wagner
On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 17:58:51 -0300 Fernando Trebien wrote: > I queried place=hamlet in Washington State using Overpass Turbo and > compared it with the current classification in OSM. Indeed, many such > places lie next to major highways, as is the pattern in other > countries (small communities

Re: [Tagging] StreetComplete 10 / foot=yes on residential

2019-02-17 Thread Mark Wagner
Tracks are often "access=private" for everyone, so there's no reason to call out foot access in particular. -- Mark On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 19:27:44 + Dave F via Tagging wrote: > Why do you exclude tracks? > Legal access to them are often denied as they're on private land > (example: farms)

Re: [Tagging] StreetComplete 10 / foot=yes on residential

2019-02-14 Thread Mark Wagner
In the United States, the rules aren't quite as permissive (for example, authorities are allowed to forbid foot traffic), but in practice, I'm not aware of a single case where a residential street actually prohibits foot traffic. (I'm aware of one near me that's *tagged* as such, but I think

Re: [Tagging] tree rows vs individual trees

2019-02-11 Thread Mark Wagner
On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 15:55:50 +0200 Tomas Straupis wrote: > Two things to add: > 1. At least in Lithuania cartographic (topographic) "tree row" is > defined as "a row of trees groing alongside a road or railway". That > is random trees somewhere in a field do not become a "tree row" even > if

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

2019-02-10 Thread Mark Wagner
On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 15:28:00 +0300 Eugene Podshivalov wrote: > > > > пн, 4 февр. 2019 г. в 02:55, Martin Koppenhoefer > > > >: > > there is established tagging for buried man made waterways > > (tunnel=culvert and man_made=pipeline) > > tunnel=culvert is supposed to be used with

Re: [Tagging] Micronations

2019-02-08 Thread Mark Wagner
On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 10:54:16 +1000 Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Does OSM recognise, & allow the mapping of, micronations as defined > areas? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micronation > > Was looking for something completely different :-) & just found this >

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

2019-02-02 Thread Mark Wagner
My copy of the Oxford English Dictionary has about a page of definitions for "ditch" and "drain", and not a hint that either of them needs to be lined. -- Mark On Sat, 2 Feb 2019 01:28:10 +0100 Sergio Manzi wrote: > I know, that's why I asked for a good one... > > On 2019-02-02 01:23,

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-15 Thread Mark Wagner
On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 11:59:35 + Paul Allen wrote: > On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 at 22:08, Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: > > > Wow, so much for me naively thinking that caravan was a universal > > word! Should know better by now :-) > > > > Yeah, where are the camels? It's not a proper caravan

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-08 Thread Mark Wagner
On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 07:54:00 +1000 Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Possibly something like caravan:type=caravan / motorhome / Winnebago / > camper trailer etc, but then you get to the problem of what is > difference between a camper van, motorhome & Winnebago? In the (US) industry, the terminology

Re: [Tagging] landuse=landfill : for regular/irregular ones

2019-01-04 Thread Mark Wagner
On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 18:41:19 + Sérgio V. wrote: > Many times in Brazil we found irregular landuse=landfill for urban > waste disposals. Many times they are simple trash grounds uncontroled. > Guess only 10% of them in Brazil are regularized. > > There are 2 fundamental classes according to

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-03 Thread Mark Wagner
On Wed, 2 Jan 2019 20:57:04 +0100 Peter Elderson wrote: > Copying from an earlier response: Designated starting point for > multiple routes into a nature area. There is a designed marking pole > or stele, information boards, seats or benches, free parking space > nearby. This one is in a small

Re: [Tagging] How to tag access restriction on interstate highway crossovers?

2018-12-30 Thread Mark Wagner
On Sun, 30 Dec 2018 18:06:26 -0500 Xavier wrote: > On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 11:38:26PM +0100, Volker Schmidt wrote: > >On Sun, 30 Dec 2018, 22:31 Xavier >> By "interstate highway crossovers" I mean small bits of road that > >> connect the two carriage ways of a US interstate highway and are > >>

Re: [Tagging] Tourism=attraction: feature or secondary tag?

2018-12-05 Thread Mark Wagner
On Thu, 6 Dec 2018 09:55:11 +0900 Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > do you mean, 1) it is impossible to invent a tag for it which better > > describes its nature, or 2) that nobody has yet invented and > > documented such a tag? > > > > 1) is probably not possible > 2) would be good > I’m just not

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - boundary=aboriginal_lands

2018-11-28 Thread Mark Wagner
On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 15:21:28 -0600 Paul Johnson wrote: > Not to mention in practice, this is something of a misnomer for most > tribes in the US. WaPo has an op-ed > > about a

Re: [Tagging] Wastewater Plants

2018-10-27 Thread Mark Wagner
On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 08:20:03 -0700 Clifford Snow wrote: > On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 6:05 AM Paul Allen wrote: > > > > > It has the disadvantage that it doesn't make sense. At least not > > to me, as a native speaker of > > British English (which is the normal language for defining OSM > > tags)

Re: [Tagging] Upcoming removal of power=station and power=sub_station in the standard style

2018-10-23 Thread Mark Wagner
On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 10:27:01 +1100 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 23/10/18 05:04, Yves wrote: > > Daniel, Mateusz and others: if nobody care to review those sub > > stations, this means they need care. > > That's more a concern than an old tag in the DB. > > You want them re tagged,

Re: [Tagging] Another multipolygon question

2018-10-20 Thread Mark Wagner
On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 09:49:57 -0500 Kevin Kenny wrote: > Not only legitimate, but recommended! > > If you haven't stumbled on it yet, another useful procedure is to map > areas of landuse use or landcover by drawing each border only once, > and having each area be a multipolygon with the shared

Re: [Tagging] Greengrocer vs grocery vs shop=food?

2018-10-11 Thread Mark Wagner
No. Sometimes, all I know about a store is what it says on the sign out front. If the store calls itself "Empire Foods", it's a good bet it sells food. -- Mark On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 13:04:39 +0900 Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > Highway=road and building=yes are used when adding features based on

Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations"

2018-10-02 Thread Mark Wagner
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 17:01:33 +0100 Paul Allen wrote: > Even if a multipolygon can have many disconnected outers, it seems > I'd have to make each university > building an outer. And then there are no inners. So even if it can > be done that way, it seems like > an abuse of the concept, which I

Re: [Tagging] mast / tower / communication_tower (again)

2018-09-30 Thread Mark Wagner
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:19:58 +0200 SelfishSeahorse wrote: > On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 at 19:34, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > > > I think it's better to stick to either a common or a technical > > > definition. > > > > > > it doesn’t have to be the British definition of terms, has it? > >

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed:type vs source:maxspeed // StreetComplete

2018-09-25 Thread Mark Wagner
On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 08:09:12 +0200 Florian Lohoff wrote: > On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 11:24:00AM -0700, Mark Wagner wrote: > > My point is that no such guarantee exists for roads without speed > > limit signs. Yes, the numeric limit for something like Glenwood > >

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed:type vs source:maxspeed // StreetComplete

2018-09-19 Thread Mark Wagner
nwood Road might be 50 mph, but the road was designed around farm trucks going no more than 20 mph, and has the tight curves, short sight lines, and poor surface quality you'd expect for that speed. -- Mark > On 19/09/2018 07:15, Mark Wagner wrote: > > On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 20:36:06 +0200 >

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed:type vs source:maxspeed // StreetComplete

2018-09-18 Thread Mark Wagner
On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 20:36:06 +0200 Tobias Zwick wrote: > From your anecdote, it seems, an implicit speed limit tagging scheme > is even more important in the US than for example in the UK In my part of the US, a meaningful implicit speed limit tagging scheme is impossible, due to the three sets

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a way with several conditional access restrictions

2018-07-30 Thread Mark Wagner
On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 21:48:36 +0200 SelfishSeahorse wrote: > Note that the wiki states that wheelchair=* should be used instead of > disabled=*. However, I think this is wrong: wheelchair=* gives > information whether something is suitable for wheelchair users, while > disabled=* gives

Re: [Tagging] Let's get (quite) rid of units and their multiples in OSM values

2018-07-28 Thread Mark Wagner
On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 22:33:10 +0200 François Lacombe wrote: > Well okay > Given problem is how can we query maxspeed like : > [Maxspeed>25] ? > Which situation do we want to optimize for? The rare case, or the common case? It's common to want to document legal restrictions such as "speed

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - Dog poop area (dog_toilet)

2018-06-10 Thread Mark Wagner
On Sun, 10 Jun 2018 14:50:33 +0200 joost schouppe wrote: > I've removed the reference to "pets", however in the real world dog > toilets are the actual thing and any pet willing to use it is > allowed. So I' don't really see the problem. > > The four options could be moved somewhere else; I

Re: [Tagging] opening_hours:sign=no - RFC

2018-05-24 Thread Mark Wagner
On Thu, 24 May 2018 09:23:43 +1000 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > Most websites have some copyright thing .. that makes some nervous. > I usually only tag things that interest me, and stuff I like to > support. In the United States, at least, opening hours are uncopyrightable. You can

Re: [Tagging] tagging for decaying features

2018-01-04 Thread Mark Wagner
On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 11:04:57 +0100 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > > > On 3. Jan 2018, at 23:06, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I have moved some disused:railway=* from OSM to OHM as railway=* > > with start and end dates .. that records

Re: [Tagging] Additional sub tags for survey mark

2017-11-22 Thread Mark Wagner
On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 09:25:52 +1100 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 21-Nov-17 04:12 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > > > > > > On 21 November 2017 at 12:48, Andrew Harvey > > > wrote: > > > > > > I'm not sure, I've only

Re: [Tagging] Additional sub tags for survey mark

2017-11-21 Thread Mark Wagner
On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 10:47:30 +1100 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > There have been attempts in the past to add sub tags to > man_made=survey_point > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dsurvey_point > > To me there are 2 'types'. they are quite different; > >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Metro Mapping

2017-11-16 Thread Mark Wagner
On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 13:23:47 +0100 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > IMHO you should try to solve it on a political/administrative level, > rather than map this particular shortcoming in OSM. One of the things I like about OSM is that it maps the world as it is, not the world

Re: [Tagging] winter tyres

2017-11-01 Thread Mark Wagner
On Wed, 1 Nov 2017 09:03:16 +0100 Michal Fabík wrote: > On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 10:29 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > possibly something like 'motor_vehicle:conditional=winter_equipment > > @ winter' > > Technically, this looks fine, but is it really

Re: [Tagging] confusing wiki on emergency

2017-10-31 Thread Mark Wagner
On Tue, 31 Oct 2017 10:44:09 + Adam Snape wrote: > Might access tags for emergency service personnel be a solution for a > non-existant problem? Are there really many places which the emergency > services are explicitly legally prohibited from accessing? There may

Re: [Tagging] Mapping hotels on buildings or areas around buildings

2017-09-29 Thread Mark Wagner
On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 17:02:37 +0200 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > > > On 29. Sep 2017, at 16:50, Bryan Housel > > wrote: > > > > So if we collectively decide to change `tourism=*` tags to be > > property outlines (like hospitals

Re: [Tagging] How to tag "agricultural centers"

2017-09-27 Thread Mark Wagner
On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 13:26:38 +0300 Safwat Halaby wrote: > shop=garden_centre is already established. > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dgarden_centre > This isn't a garden center. A garden center is where you'd go to get a half-kilo bag of pre-mixed

Re: [Tagging] phone validity - phone "preset"

2017-09-06 Thread Mark Wagner
It would help even more if the editors understood local phone number formats, and could automatically turn (202)-456-1414 or 041 58 460 55 11 into the appropriate international format. -- Mark On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 19:01:44 + Lukas Sommer wrote: > It would likely yet

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Waterways classification

2017-08-09 Thread Mark Wagner
On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 19:13:57 +0200 Daniel Koć wrote: > Definition: > > Classification of waterways using "stream order" systems > > Proposal page: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Waterways_classification > > This is proposition of tagging

Re: [Tagging] Rivers classification

2017-08-07 Thread Mark Wagner
On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 16:37:52 +0200 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > > > On 7. Aug 2017, at 10:51, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > > > I agree that some sort of river classification might be helpful but > > you cannot expect a mapper

Re: [Tagging] Power Tower Landuse = ?

2017-07-04 Thread Mark Wagner
On Tue, 4 Jul 2017 09:49:07 -0400 "Mark Bradley" wrote: > > Message: 1 > > Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2017 12:14:11 +0100 > > From: Philip Barnes > > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > > > > Subject: Re:

Re: [Tagging] siphon underpass

2017-06-08 Thread Mark Wagner
On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 15:40:23 +0200 Volker Schmidt wrote: > I am looking into how to tag a frequent feature in my area, i.e. a > siphon underpass, known in Italian as "botte a sifone" or "botte > sifone" and in French as "pont siphon". This is a non.connecting > waterway

Re: [Tagging] Time is now: tag ALL traffic signs in OSM

2017-05-21 Thread Mark Wagner
On Sun, 21 May 2017 22:23:12 +0900 John Willis wrote: > > Warning signs - not restriction signs - such as stop ahead, curve > ahead, falling rock, animals, etc do present a chance for the > presence of the sign's node to offer a notice to whatever is parsing > the way Data and

Re: [Tagging] historic=tank and surprises with tags like car-sharing

2017-04-17 Thread Mark Wagner
On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 01:31:45 +0200 "André Pirard" wrote: > And what's the problem with tank anyway, is there anything like a > historic liquid container anyway? Yes: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/428396108 (Should probably be a "ruins=storage_tank", since it's not

Re: [Tagging] Spillways

2017-03-21 Thread Mark Wagner
On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 10:44:17 +0900 John Willis wrote: > How do you tag an emergency spillway? > > I am tagging a giant flood control reservoir in my region. The “lake” > is surrounded by giant man-made embankments on all sides, surrounded > by an additional set of embankments,

Re: [Tagging] Day/night speed limits

2017-03-13 Thread Mark Wagner
On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 09:27:21 -0700 Tod Fitch wrote: > There are a number of roads in Arizona, and perhaps elsewhere, that > have different speed limits for night vs day. You can see some > examples with this search [1]. These are not based on wall clock time > as they vary

Re: [Tagging] Orientation of an adit?

2017-03-10 Thread Mark Wagner
On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 09:34:51 -0500 Kevin Kenny wrote: > I can just now hear, nevertheless, a chorus asserting that the > information is available by other means and therefore does not belong > in OSM. An adit or a cave entrance (that isn't a sinkhole) pretty > much

Re: [Tagging] landuse=industrial with industrial=port

2017-02-22 Thread Mark Wagner
On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 16:17:12 +0100 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2017-02-22 15:01 GMT+01:00 Malcolm Herring > : > > > In general ports are not of singular usage. Some shipping services > > may terminate at a particular port, but others may

Re: [Tagging] lanes=3 + lanes:forward/backward=1 for "semi-divided" roads?

2017-02-12 Thread Mark Wagner
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 23:39:00 -0500 Albert Pundt wrote: > Consider High Street in downtown Carlisle, PA. It is one lane each > way, with a wide space as wide as a travel lane in the middle, but > not used for anything such as a center turning lane. Tagging this > with just

Re: [Tagging] self-service laudry machines a camp and caravan sites

2017-02-12 Thread Mark Wagner
On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 10:28:17 +0900 John Willis wrote: > Javbw > > Side note: > > I imagine laundromats could have a whole > > Laundromat:foobar=n scheme. > > Laundromat:10kg_dryer=8 > Laundromat:20kg_dryer=2 > Laundromat:10kg_sidewasher=3 > Laundromat:20kg_sidewasher=1 >

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