Re: [Tagging] Unifying large multi-location store chains

2018-05-04 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 3 May 2018 at 18:34, Leon Karcher wrote: > To have an overview I created a list in the wiki which includes applicable > tags > of some brands, but it's still under construction and only shows the ones that > I know. So feel free to help. You are effectively

Re: [Tagging] red housenumbers

2018-03-19 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 19 March 2018 at 18:02, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > In the Italian city of Genoa there are housenumbers in black and in red, > which are different numbers. People have started mapping them with the > postfix "rosso" (red in italian) but are now wondering if there are

Re: [Tagging] Tagging request: missing admin_level tags

2018-03-18 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 19 March 2018 at 00:27, Dave F wrote: > It's been agreed they are redundant. Perhaps a bit too early for that statement, please note that the discussion on the osm-carto side is still ongoing:

Re: [Tagging] Tagging request: missing admin_level tags

2018-03-10 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 10 March 2018 at 01:51, Matthijs Melissen <i...@matthijsmelissen.nl> wrote: > OpenStreetMap Carto, the default stylesheet on openstreetmap.org, is > considering to change the mechanism for rendering admin boundaries. > The proposed rendering of admin borders will be based on a

[Tagging] Tagging request: missing admin_level tags

2018-03-09 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Hi all, OpenStreetMap Carto, the default stylesheet on openstreetmap.org, is considering to change the mechanism for rendering admin boundaries. The proposed rendering of admin borders will be based on admin boundary ways rather than polygons. This has a number of advantages - for example, it

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Approved - Government offices

2016-03-02 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all, The proposal for office=government has been approved. The proposal also proposed to mark the alternatives amenity=public_building and office=administrative as 'discouraged': http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Government_offices The proposal received 18 approving

Re: [Tagging] Proposal about suffixed tags has been approved

2016-02-24 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 24 February 2016 at 23:08, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:name=next=1275952 > > Hakuch, please do not start an edit war. I took the time to avoid a > knee-jerk "revert this edit" reaction, and so should you. I've > explained

[Tagging] Feature proposal - Rejected - Jewellery shop

2016-02-23 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all, The proposal to replace shop=jewelry by shop=jewellery has been rejected. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Jewellery_shop The proposal received 40 votes for, 18 votes against, and 4 abstentions. The approval rate was 68.97%, which is less than the required 74%. It

Re: [Tagging] Voting rules

2016-02-23 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 23 February 2016 at 12:54, Andy Townsend wrote: > The tricky bit of course is that those percentages are "of the people who > voted". > > Taginfo reckons objects with the key "shop" were last edited by 105 030 > different users, and there are 1,976,690 shops, of which 20,851

Re: [Tagging] Voting rules

2016-02-23 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 23 February 2016 at 11:33, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I feel voting count is broken for some time. Has there been a formal > proceduce to change the way we count the votes? How was this procedure > introduced? > > Example, the current jeweller voting: > Voting closed

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting (reminder) - Government offices

2016-02-22 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Hi all, Voting for the proposal for office=government is still open. The proposal also proposes to mark the alternatives amenity=public_building and office=administrative as 'discouraged'. The proposal can be found here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Government_offices I

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Government offices

2016-02-15 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 15 February 2016 at 11:41, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > > 2016-02-15 11:11 GMT+01:00 Matthijs Melissen <i...@matthijsmelissen.nl>: >> >> Basically you are saying that the English term matches the definition >> correctly, but that th

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Government offices

2016-02-15 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 15 February 2016 at 10:48, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > What I don't like in the new tag, and what was already mentioned several > times in previous discussions, is that you still insist on using the term > "government" for apparently all kind of public entities, be it

Re: [Tagging] Galleries versus art shops

2016-02-15 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 15 February 2016 at 10:52, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Maybe the Van Gogh Museum > does deal with van Gogh's life and not just with his work, what would > explain the term museum for this. The Van Gogh museum only displays paintings. -- Matthijs

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Government offices

2016-02-15 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 15 February 2016 at 09:10, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > why does a proposal for office=government discourage the tag > office=administrative? From the proposal: | The tag office=administrative is used in some countries for local government offices. | However, the tag

[Tagging] Confectionery shops

2016-02-14 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all, Currently, we have the following confectionery related tags: * shop=confectionery (12045 instances) * shop=chocolate (730 instances) * shop=pastry (708 instances) How should we tag a shop selling cakes? A shops selling croissants and cinnamon rolls? A shop focussed on chocolate, but

Re: [Tagging] Galleries versus art shops

2016-02-14 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 15 February 2016 at 01:29, Max wrote: > I see two reasons why it would make sense: > > 1. the word gallery alone seems to cause so much confusion because of > its ambiguity. > 2. if we depreciate tourism=gallery and introduce > amenity=contemporary_art_gallery it

Re: [Tagging] Galleries versus art shops

2016-02-14 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 9 February 2016 at 00:20, Matthijs Melissen <i...@matthijsmelissen.nl> wrote: > What do you think, would it make sense to try to keep both shop=art > and tourism=gallery? Or should we discourage either of these options > in favour of the other? Or should we come up with new tag

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting (reminder) - Jewellery shop

2016-02-14 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Hi all, Voting for the proposal to replace shop=jewelry by shop=jewellery is still open. The proposal can be found here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Jewellery_shop I would like to thank all voters in advance for their contribution. -- Matthijs

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Government offices

2016-02-14 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Hi all, Voting for the proposal for office=government is now open. The proposal also proposes to mark the alternatives amenity=public_building and office=administrative as 'discouraged'. The proposal can be found here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Government_offices

Re: [Tagging] Galleries versus art shops

2016-02-11 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 11 February 2016 at 09:53, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > can you back this up by some real examples? I also have thought about this > and came to the conclusion that typically a museum would not sell parts of > their collection as long as it fits within their concept

Re: [Tagging] Do-it-yourself versus hardware stores

2016-02-09 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 9 February 2016 at 07:31, Marc Gemis wrote: > The Hubo shop I know best (Reet, Belgium) sells fencing, flooring, > garden furniture, etc. besides all the tools. So it fits the DIY > better than the hardware definition. That's correct and something I'm aware of. Hubo in

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Jewellery shop

2016-02-08 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Hi all, Voting for the proposal to replace shop=jewelry by shop=jewellery is now open. The proposal can be found here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Jewellery_shop Thank you in advance for voting. -- Matthijs ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

2016-02-08 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 1 February 2016 at 20:56, Dave F wrote: > Sorry, but a gallery is not a museum I'm still a bit confused by this. Would you consider the MoMA a gallery and/or a museum? -- Matthijs ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

2016-02-08 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 1 February 2016 at 22:50, Philip Barnes wrote: > On Mon Feb 1 21:44:50 2016 GMT, ael wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 07:56:22PM +, Dave F wrote: >> > Sorry, but a gallery is not a museum >> >> +1 >> ael >> > +2 > The wiki should reflect the tags mappers use, not

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

2016-02-08 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 3 February 2016 at 21:52, Max wrote: > So we are now at: > tourism=museum (nicer would be amenity, but for the sake of not changing > too much) > museum:topic= art / railway / history / war / mathematics / ... > art_form = painting / photography / sculpture / video /

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

2016-02-08 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 9 February 2016 at 00:02, Max wrote: > The Moma is a Museum. Please keep in mind that this is your personal definition - and perhaps the definition of the people in your field. But that's not necessarily the definition of the average English speaker. For example,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Government offices

2016-02-08 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 27 January 2016 at 15:03, Frederik Ramm wrote: > 1. In many western civilizations you have a division of state powers in > an executive, a legislature, and a judiciary. I believe that you'd > normally only call the executive "government", although colloquially > people

[Tagging] Galleries versus art shops

2016-02-08 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Hi all, This discussion continues the feature proposal 'Discourage tourism=gallery'. Most list members seem to agree that, in spite of what the wiki says, tourism=gallery should not be used for places like the MoMA in New York. However, it is still not clear to me whether we should distinguish

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

2016-02-08 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Continued here: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2016-February/028479.html -- Matthijs On 1 February 2016 at 20:28, Matthijs Melissen <i...@matthijsmelissen.nl> wrote: > Hi all, > > I have created a proposal to discourage the tag tourism=gallery, > suggesti

[Tagging] Do-it-yourself versus hardware stores

2016-02-08 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Hi all, We currently have separate tags for shop=doityourself (37 857 instances) and shop=hardware (24 674 instances). The OSM wiki gives the following definitions: Do-it-yourself: | Do-It-Yourself-stores (DIY for short) are similar to hardware stores, except | they are generally larger and

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Government offices

2016-02-01 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 27 January 2016 at 14:40, Andy Townsend wrote: > I have no idea why you have included: > > amenity=register_office (1044 instances) > office=administrative (8807 instances) > office=register (137 instances) > office=tax (354 instances) > > on that page, without any suggested

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

2016-02-01 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 1 February 2016 at 22:17, Max wrote: > Those are clearly museums, not galleries and they are correctly tagged > as museums. Sorry to say this, but that sentence clearly shows OP has > not understand what a gellery is. The wiki pages for tourism=gallery, > and

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage tourism=gallery

2016-02-01 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 1 February 2016 at 20:56, Dave F wrote: > Sorry, but a gallery is not a museum Note that the wiki currently states: 'Note that art galleries very often have the word "museum" in the name. Despite this, if they are primarily displaying art, they should probably

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Government offices

2016-01-28 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 27 January 2016 at 15:03, Frederik Ramm wrote: > 1. In many western civilizations you have a division of state powers in > an executive, a legislature, and a judiciary. I believe that you'd > normally only call the executive "government", although colloquially > people

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Government offices

2016-01-28 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 28 January 2016 at 11:43, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Only problem: if an institution > serves several levels we will either loose information (e.g. by using only > the highest level) or deal with multiple values (but that's no different > from

Re: [Tagging] Discussion about Multivalued Keys

2016-01-27 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Hi Colin, Thanks for getting this discussion started. I agree it's fine to use the proposal template also for proposals that are not about proposing a concrete tag. One thing to take into account in this discussion is that multi-valued keys often move the problem to the data consumer. For that

Re: [Tagging] Discussion about Multivalued Keys

2016-01-27 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 27 January 2016 at 17:18, Richard Fairhurst <rich...@systemed.net> wrote: > Matthijs Melissen wrote: >> Take for example your example shop=supermarket, >> shop=bakery. Independent of the exact way of tagging, >> using a multivalued tagging scheme forces the ren

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Government offices

2016-01-27 Thread Matthijs Melissen
This didn't get any responses yet on the list. II would be interested to hear what other mappers think of this proposal! -- Matthijs On 26 January 2016 at 00:13, Matthijs Melissen <i...@matthijsmelissen.nl> wrote: > Hi all, > > I have created a proposal to use the tag of

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Rejected - Aquatics centre

2016-01-25 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all, The proposal for aquatics centre has been rejected: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Aquatics_centre The proposal received 17 approving votes, and 28 opposing votes (38% support). I would like to thank everybody for voting. From the comments, it follows that there

[Tagging] Art galleries/museums

2016-01-25 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Hi all, The wiki defines the tag tourism=gallery as 'an area or typically a building that displays a variety of visual art exhibitions' [1]. This is an officially approved tag [2]. In addition, the wiki page on tourism=museum [3] specifies that art galleries should be tagged as tourism=gallery,

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Government offices

2016-01-25 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Hi all, I have created a proposal to use the tag office=government for the tagging of government offices. The proposal also replaces/discourages a number of tags, amongst which is amenity=public_building. The proposal can be found here:

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Jewellery shop

2016-01-25 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Hi all, The tag shop=jewelry is one of the few tags that use American rather than British English. The previous discussion seemed to indicate that people have strong opinions on this topic, but that there is no strong consensus either way. I have therefore created a proposal page for the tag

[Tagging] Retag request: swimming pools

2016-01-25 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all, Recently, amenity=swimming_pool has been officially marked as discouraged. In addition, a vote was carried out to propose a tag for swimming pools that are used for sport or swimming lessons. This vote was rejected, but from the comments of the voters, leisure=sports_centre +

Re: [Tagging] Art galleries/museums

2016-01-25 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 26 January 2016 at 00:08, Frederik Ramm wrote: >the German word "Galerie" is often used for art showrooms where you > can actually buy the stuff on display. (I know a couple that are not > larger than a typical hairdresser's.) Note that we have shop=art for such

Re: [Tagging] Tagging scrap yards, junkyards

2016-01-20 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 20 January 2016 at 02:03, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > I'm trying to decide how to tag what we in the U.S. refer to as junkyards. > Mostly these are where old automobiles go when they are discarded and are a > source of used parts. They are therefore an amenity of

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage amenity=public_building

2016-01-15 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Hi all, Based on the discussion arising from my previous message, it seems that there is support to discourage the tag amenity=public_building. I have therefore created a proposal page to explicitly mark this tag as discouraged in the wiki:

[Tagging] Jewelry/jewellery shops

2016-01-13 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Hi all, We currently use British English for almost all OSM tags. Jewellery shops however are typically tagged with the American English variant shop=jewelry (20083 occurrences), and hardly ever with the British English variant shop=jewellery (187 occurrences). Editors and data consumers only

[Tagging] Public buildings

2016-01-09 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Hi all, The tag amenity=public_building has been marked as 'Don't use' on the wiki since 2010 (see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dpublic_building ). As far as I know, marking the tag as 'Don't use' has not been discussed extensively, and the tag is still very commonly used (111 

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Aquatics centre

2016-01-09 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 5 January 2016 at 11:25, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > I think the proposal has been rushed into voting prematurely, with just 5 > days > from draft on 25 Dec, during the holiday seasons where many people might be > mapping away from home ;-) It was in fact 7 days, but your

Re: [Tagging] Tagging tourist offices

2016-01-09 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 1 January 2016 at 22:55, Matthijs Melissen <i...@matthijsmelissen.nl> wrote: > So my question is, would it make sense to propose a different tagging > for tourist offices, for example tourism=tourist_office or > office=tourism? Or should we stay with the current tagging? I'm

Re: [Tagging] Public buildings

2016-01-09 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 9 January 2016 at 23:03, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > I would have the wiki page 'amenity=public_building' redirect to > 'building=public' and then any alternatives suggested on that page. To me it is not clear that this is a solution, as the definition of building=public is equally

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Aquatics centre

2016-01-01 Thread Matthijs Melissen
, and will leave this decision to the individual mapper. I also think aquatics centres are distinct enough from regular sport centres to warrant their own tag. The discussion on civic landuse is independent of this proposal. Thanks again for all input! -- Matthijs On 25 December 2015 at 21:42, Matthijs Melissen

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Discourage amenity=swimming pool

2016-01-01 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Hi all, Voting on the proposal to discourage amenity=swimming_pool is now open. You can vote here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Discourage_amenity%3Dswimming_pool I would like to thank in advance anybody voting on this proposal. -- Matthijs

[Tagging] Tagging tourist offices

2016-01-01 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Hi all, Tourist offices are currently tagged as tourism=information, information=office. The tag tourism=information is also used for guideposts, maps, boards, etc. In my opinion, the tagging for tourist offices is quite complex, and the grouping of tourist offices with things like guideposts is

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage amenity=swimming pool

2015-12-26 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 26 December 2015 at 13:13, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > I would write "discouraged" rather than "DISCOURAGED". I can change it in the main text, but I'd prefer to leave it like that in the description, so it's more clear to users of Taginfo that the tag should not be used.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Aquatics centre

2015-12-26 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 25 December 2015 at 22:38, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > What about parkings for customers? Given that it is typical associated > amenity it may be a good idea to also list it after "small cafe or > bar". I had a look at the data, but for comparable facilities such as water

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Aquatics centre

2015-12-25 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Hi all, I have created a proposal page for the tag leisure=aquatics_centre: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Aquatics_centre The proposal is deliberately rather basic and does not contain a lot of documentation on suggested subtags, as I'd prefer to focus the discussion on

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Discourage amenity=swimming pool

2015-12-25 Thread Matthijs Melissen
use both 'discouraged' and 'deprecated' in your mail. > The wiki has a list of Deprecated features, only. Is it intentional > that your proposal calls for discouraging and not deprecating? > > Matthijs Melissen wrote on 2015/12/25 23:13: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I ha

Re: [Tagging] Swimming pools

2015-12-19 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 19 December 2015 at 17:42, ael wrote: > An aquatic centre would normally contain aquaria with typically sea > creatures, often associated with research. A sort of sea-museum. > Definitely no swimming pool, although I suppose that a very eccentric > such centre might

Re: [Tagging] Swimming pools

2015-12-19 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 19 December 2015 at 03:11, John Willis wrote: > I would call it leisure=aquatic_center if it is based around pool based > exercise/ sports/ competition and leisure=water_park for recreation (like a > theme park with slides and splashing and tube pools and whatnot. I like this

Re: [Tagging] Swimming pools

2015-12-18 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 18 Dec 2015 19:46, "Holger Jeromin" wrote: > What about a tag for all swimming facilities (building or area) > and a separate tag for main usage > =fun > =wellness > =health > =learning > =sport or competitive > > Would be a easy solution for rendering (can ignore the sub tag)

Re: [Tagging] Swimming pools

2015-12-18 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 18 December 2015 at 21:46, Holger Jeromin wrote: > I would be happy if this main tag would be water park, as many > mapper are using that because of the rendering already. I suppose this is the best we have. If nobody comes up with a better tag for the area around a swimming

Re: [Tagging] Swimming pools

2015-12-17 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 17 December 2015 at 21:19, Christoph Hormann wrote: > Most public baths in Germany (Hallenbad/Freibad) are tagged > leisure=water_park no matter if they qualify as such or not (which > would be commonly called 'Erlebnisbad'). Does this including indoor swimming pools

Re: [Tagging] Swimming pools

2015-12-17 Thread Matthijs Melissen
the overloading of leisure=swimming_pool for two different purposes very clear. -- Matthijs On 15 December 2015 at 23:41, Matthijs Melissen <i...@matthijsmelissen.nl> wrote: > Hi all, > > There are currently two tags for swimming pools in use: > * leisure=swimming_pool (511 413 occur

Re: [Tagging] Swimming pools

2015-12-17 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 17 December 2015 at 23:06, John Willis wrote: > Water park- for frolicking - shallow pools with slides, rubber amusements to > slide down. > > Swimming pool - usually square multi-sport pools for swimming, lap swimming, > and water polo. The difference between these two is

Re: [Tagging] Swimming pools

2015-12-16 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 16 December 2015 at 12:26, Andy Mabbett wrote: > No. In British English, the term "Water Park" means an outdoor > facility - a country park - of several acres, with lakes for > activities like sailing, water-skiing, fishing, and as a nature > reserve. There may be no

Re: [Tagging] Swimming pools

2015-12-16 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 16 December 2015 at 02:07, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > As only the swimming pool should be tagged with swimming_pool... not any > changing rooms, showers, toilets .. that may be present and shared with > other things. These should have their own tags. Yes, that would make sense. Do

Re: [Tagging] Swimming pools

2015-12-16 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 16 December 2015 at 11:08, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 16/12/2015 8:53 PM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: >> >> On 16 December 2015 at 02:07, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> As only the swimming pool should be tagged with swimmin

[Tagging] Swimming pools

2015-12-15 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Hi all, There are currently two tags for swimming pools in use: * leisure=swimming_pool (511 413 occurences) * amenity=swimming_pool (46 495 occurences) Historically, amenity used to be the more popular tag, but usage has shifted to leisure, with amenity now making up less than 8% of the

Re: [Tagging] Swimming pools

2015-12-15 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 15 December 2015 at 23:50, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Why not stick to the simple facts and note that "leisure=swimming_pool > is the more popular tag to use"? If you say "is discouraged" or "is > recommended" the question is always, by whom and when did they make the >

Re: [Tagging] Shop values review

2015-10-18 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 18 October 2015 at 12:55, ael wrote: > But really it was invented as a way to tag clear groups of places that > had no obvious existing tags Do you have a source for that? (Not questioning you, just curious to read the original discussion.) -- Matthijs

Re: [Tagging] Shop values review

2015-10-07 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 7 October 2015 at 15:58, Daniel Koć wrote: > builder Not sure what this is used for. > building_materials Possibly duplicate with shop=doityourself, not sure though. > craft I use this for shops selling coloured paper, glue, knitting supplies etc. > discount I use

[Tagging] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.35.0

2015-09-16 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all, Today, v2.35.0 of the openstreetmap-carto stylesheet has been released and rolled out to the openstreetmap.org servers. It might still take a couple of days before all tiles show the new rendering. Changes include: * Add new icon for ford * Stop rendering of landuse=conservation *

Re: [Tagging] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.35.0

2015-09-16 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 16 September 2015 at 23:30, Tom Hughes <t...@compton.nu> wrote: > On 16/09/15 21:59, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > >> Today, v2.35.0 of the openstreetmap-carto stylesheet has been >> released and rolled out to the openstreetmap.org servers. It might >> still take a c

Re: [Tagging] Proposed mechanical edit: surface=soil to surface=dirt

2015-08-31 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 31 August 2015 at 11:00, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > See > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Mateusz_Konieczny/surface%3Dsoil_to_surface%3Ddirt > > I plan to change surface=soil to surface=dirt. surface=soil is a clear > duplicate of surface=dirt. It is

Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag shop=wholesale

2015-05-08 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Note that we also have shop=trade. It would be good to make the difference between both tags clear (of deprecate shop=trade, which I wouldn't oppose). -- Matthijs On 8 May 2015 at 17:04, Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.com wrote: I propose to create the tag shop=wholesale for stores that sell

Re: [Tagging] Colour coding of wiki description boxes

2015-05-06 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 6 May 2015 at 17:41, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote: It'd only be reasonable if those people were contacted. Discussions on [tagging] or [talk] or the wiki are *not* a good way to contact mappers for democratic opinion-gathering purposes. OSM doesn't have a policy that

[Tagging] Tagging of historic=monument

2015-05-06 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all, Openstreetmap-carto (the default rendering style on openstreetmap.org) will soon render objects tagged historic=monument with an icon. There is currently a large number of objects incorrectly tagged as historic=monument. The definition of historic=monument according to the wiki: 'A

Re: [Tagging] Colour coding of wiki description boxes

2015-05-04 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 4 May 2015 at 05:23, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote: The problem is that everybody is so strong against mechanical edits that it is pretty much impossible most of the time No, not everybody is against mechanical edits, not even a majority. The problem is that there is a very vocal

Re: [Tagging] Possible Vatican City tagging issues

2015-05-03 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 3 May 2015 at 13:11, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: Should they not be tagged motor_vehicle=private, bicycle=private, foot=yes. No. As tagged it says you cannot walk there. This is correct. There is a security checkpoint at the gate, and pedestrians are not normally let in

Re: [Tagging] AE and BE orthography in tagging

2015-04-27 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 27 April 2015 at 12:47, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Recently I had amened the shop=jewelry page with a short notice that shop=jewellery should be preferred, as this is British orthography and the generic tagging rules/guidelines state that tags should be in British

Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Rename wiki status Approved to Published

2015-04-03 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 3 April 2015 at 10:22, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: The proposal on the table is to change the wiki status of Approved to read Published, with no other changes. The feeling is the term published is less likely to cause new mappers to incorrectly weight the tagging conventions

Re: [Tagging] Regional stylesheets for osm-carto (Was: rendering of local power lines)

2015-03-17 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 17 March 2015 at 23:04, Michał Brzozowski www.ha...@gmail.com wrote: Although OSM-carto is not supposed to be consumed by end-users This is not correct. The purposes of the osm-carto style can be found here: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/master/CARTOGRAPHY.md --

Re: [Tagging] Rendering of individual power lines in residential areas on default osm-carto

2015-03-12 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 12 March 2015 at 02:21, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: I opened a ticket in which I was told it was my fault for thinking it it was a bad idea and to stop complaining or claiming persecution (which was really really weird). Just to be clear, this was not a comment by one of the maintainers of

Re: [Tagging] Blatant tagging for the renderer: bridges abandoned railways

2015-03-09 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 9 March 2015 at 15:15, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: Using the default OSM-Carto layer for a project isn't very professional. The job of the default layer isn't to make a map for everyone to use in their projects, its main job is to help mappers see what they have mapped, and to

Re: [Tagging] Blatant tagging for the renderer: bridges abandoned railways

2015-03-09 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 9 March 2015 at 15:06, ael law_ence@ntlworld.com wrote: I have just been asked to give a talk about OSM to a local group including Councillors who are impressed with OSM and considering using it for Council purposes. There are many historical abandoned railways in the area (related to

Re: [Tagging] Blatant tagging for the renderer: bridges abandoned railways

2015-03-09 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 9 March 2015 at 15:26, SomeoneElse li...@atownsend.org.uk wrote: To be fair, someone did submit a pull request to resolve exactly this issue and it was summarily closed: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/641 That was not a pull request, but a bug report, and it

Re: [Tagging] Electronic or 'e' cigarettes?

2015-01-22 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 22 January 2015 at 14:02, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: A shop that solely sells electronic cigarettes has been added locally. I guess this type of product will be on the increase so I think it's best to clarify unified tag, if there's ever been such a thing in OSM :-) Yes, I

Re: [Tagging] Electronic or 'e' cigarettes?

2015-01-22 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 22 January 2015 at 18:00, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: Well the first page should be under proposal and it should not be listed under shop or if only under some proposal paragraph Only six shop types have been approved by the wiki/voting process: bakery, baby_care, second_hand,

Re: [Tagging] Adding water=fishpond to the wiki

2015-01-04 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 4 January 2015 at 18:44, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: Our wiki is missing a definition for a body of water used exclusively for fish farming. Since it's a small change to the wiki I thought it would be enough just to contact this list. This is the wiki page:

[Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

2015-01-02 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all, In the next version of the openstreetmap-carto style sheet (the default rendering used on openstreetmap.org) there will be some changes that might highlight current tagging errors. In particular, areas tagged with amenity=place_of_worship or aeroway=terminal that do not have a building

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

2015-01-02 Thread Matthijs Melissen
of the carto style? Volker On 2 January 2015 at 17:03, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: Same query for amenity=place_of_worship: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/6Nj Note that this contains false positives. Nodes have been excluded from this query. -- Matthijs

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

2015-01-02 Thread Matthijs Melissen
: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/6Ne For place_of_worship it is more complicated, as some really are not buildings. 2015-01-02 16:17 GMT+01:00 Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl: Dear all, In the next version of the openstreetmap-carto style sheet (the default rendering used

Re: [Tagging] Change of rendering: place of worship and terminal without building tag

2015-01-02 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 2 January 2015 at 15:42, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: I don't agree that place_of_worship requires a building. E.g. the Lourdes grotto or perhaps modern versions of Stonehenge or ... In Christian religion there are several places with many small shrines, but the whole is a place

Re: [Tagging] hrmpf.

2015-01-01 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 1 January 2015 at 22:52, Rainer Fügenstein r...@oudeis.org wrote: can you please check the comments on this changeset: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/27805365 One of the points of discussion is on which list the discussion should have been held, talk or tagging. Apparently, Paul

Re: [Tagging] hrmpf.

2015-01-01 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 1 January 2015 at 23:26, Ilpo Järvinen ilpo.jarvi...@helsinki.fi wrote: However, I'd recommend you to use upload selection multiple times for smaller areas so it wouldn't look suspicious to those who care about mechanical edits only if they have a big bbox (or even use big bbox as the

Re: [Tagging] question: best practices for micromapping ped areas and footpaths?

2014-12-30 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 30 December 2014 at 11:14, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: This is deliberate, and was explained in a mail in June: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2014-June/018043.html highway=pedestrian + area=yes will always be over everything else. There's nothing you can do

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - leisure=fitness_centre

2014-12-25 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 25 December 2014 at 14:21, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote: Just had the great idea to suggest tagging gyms/fintess centres for the German a weekly task (new year's resolutions incoming), when I realized we still don't have tagging schema for it. Thanks for addressing this. Fitness

Re: [Tagging] New openstreetmap-carto version: please check country and state boundaries

2014-12-14 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 10 December 2014 at 23:37, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: Dana 10. 12. 2014. 18:32 osoba Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl napisala je: Croatia uses admin_level=6 for county borders. We don't have any administrative divisions between country and county in Croatia. You're

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