Re: [Tagging] winter tyres

[Micah Cochran]

>
>
>> Please check your spelling of tire.


tyre is the correct British English spelling.

A tire (American English) or tyre (British English[...]) is a ring-shaped
component that surrounds a wheel's rim to transfer a vehicle's load from
the axle through the wheel to the ground and to provide traction on the
surface traveled over.

>From the Wikipedia article on "Tire".  Thanks Wikipeida!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tire


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Re: [Tagging] How to tag "agricultural centers"

[Micah Cochran]

Would this be some form of a farmers' co-ops  or agricultural cooperative?
 (The Wikipedia article notes a few different meanings to this term.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_cooperative

I briefly looked and found someone tagged a local farmer's co-op as a
building (in Alabama), which it is only one building facility.

building=yes
shop=trade
trade=agricultural_supplies


That may not work quite as well for a multi-building scenario.

Micah

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Mark Bradley 
wrote:

> In the Midwestern US we have places scattered throughout the countryside
> whose purpose is to sell farming supplies, such as seed, feed, herbicide,
> anhydrous ammonia, etc.  I’m talking about a parcel of land, typically with
> several buildings situated on it, and plenty of room for parking and
> maneuvering farm vehicles and trucks.  None of the existing tags in the
> Wiki seem to fit to describe these facilities.  I’m looking for suggestions
> on how to tag these.  A type of landuse?
>
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Re: [Tagging] Emergency shelters

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On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Greg Troxel <g...@lexort.com> wrote:

>
> Nick Hocking <nick.hock...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Do we have a tagging scheme for emergency shelters to be used in times of
> > natural disasters?
>
> Around me, there are almost no places that would be described like this
> as their primary use.
>
> Instead, there are schools, community centers, churches, etc. that are
> doing something normally, but there's a plan that if there is an
> emergency then the authorities might open it as a shelter.
>

Where I am at in North Alabama (USA) there are "tornado shelters" or
"tornado saferooms".  Some are singular use shelters.
For example:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Langston-tornado-shelter-al.jpg

Others are within another use: school, community center, church, etc.

Both types of saferooms are signed and open to the public.

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Re: [Tagging] Emergency shelters

[Micah Cochran]

There was a discussion here on "Disaster response" in April.
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2017-April/032127.html
Another discussion back in December 2015 "If a school is a shelter when a
disaster happens..."
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2015-December/027929.html

amenity=shelter is well established for (mainly) recreational uses, which
is very different from emergency shelters.

There are a few different practices/facilities meant by the word "shelter",
perhaps using different terms would help to make a distinction.

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On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 6:41 AM, tomoya muramoto <muramototom...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Japanese community has decided to use following tags
> (Discussed here https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ja/2017-
> July/009817.html)
>
> (1) Evacuation shelter
> Many schools are designated as evacuation shelter for natural disaster
> such as flooding.
> amenity=school
> emegency:social_facility=shelter
> hazard_type=*
>
> (2) Evacuation area
> Many large parks are designated as evacuation area for natural disaster
> such as earthquake.
> leisure=park
> emergency=assembly_point
> hazard_type=*
>
> Also I hear Taiwanese community use similar tags
> https://osmtw.hackpad.com/ep/pad/static/lis34MoHRDu
>
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Re: [Tagging] Disaster response

[Micah Cochran]

> Similar to public fallout shelters in the US

> The closest evacuation center to my house has different “classifications”
listed - as in what kinds disasters it is good for. this means if we are
tagging evacuation sites - there needs to be some kind of usage/shelter
type / disaster type data.


On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 1:39 AM, John Willis <jo...@mac.com> wrote:

>
> On Apr 18, 2017, at 9:24 AM, Greg Troxel <g...@lexort.com> wrote:
>
> Another thing to think about is the planned location of shelters, and to
> tag places that are pre-designated as possible shelters
>
>
> if a region or a country has designated evacuation sites/refuges/shelters/
> for evacuees to use, mapping them with some granularity might be very
> useful.
>
> Similar to public fallout shelters in the US, many public places in Japan
> have signs designating them as a "place of refuge” if an earthquake/tsunami
> forces you to leave your house. They are usually open-air places (school
> yards, parks, etc) to minimize the chance one could be unusable from a
> severe earthquake and inevitable fires afterwards in cities. They are often
> places with a large covered shelter (a gymnasium or other reinforced steel
> building that could be used as shelter from the weather), such as a middle
> school, in the rural areas.
>
> The closest evacuation center to my house has different “classifications”
> listed - as in what kinds disasters it is good for. this means if we are
> tagging evacuation sites - there needs to be some kind of usage/shelter
> type / disaster type data.
>
>
>
I have found the tagging for this type facility lacking.   I was
specifically looking at this for tornado and hurricane shelters, and I
wrote up a little something and was planning to post it at a future date.
Maybe it contributes to the conversation (or maybe not).


I am looking for a tagging scheme for public and semi-public
(business/industry) places of refuge during a severe wind event (tornado or
hurricane).

The United States Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) calls these
"safe rooms for tornado and hurricanes".  (Cyclones and typhoons are
synonyms for hurricanes.) Terms for classifying this might be "storm
shelter" or "severe wind safe room" might be a good way to classify this.

These are places that people go to for a limited amount while there a
threat is predicted/present.  For tornadoes people go to these places for
just a few hours, and for hurricanes people might be a there for a couple
days.

Safe room can also mean panic room, which is a reinforce portion close off
portion of a house to occupants seek refuge from intruders breaking in.

(If people are displaced, they will typically have to relocate to a
temporary disaster shelter.)

Existing features that are slightly similar:
1. amenity=shelter with  shelter_type=weather_shelter is for a wilderness
hut to get out of the rain or a thunderstorm.
2. amenity=social_facility + social_facility=shelter, which is a shelters
for the homeless, refugees, and domestic violence cases.

The weather shelter tagging seems wholly inadequate, and also
amenity=shelter includes picnic shelters, which I'd be mad if I ended up at
a picnic shelter during a tornado.

Some of these are single use facilities are single purpose.  Others are
multipurpose facilities that are within other spaces such as
classroom/meeting space it may be within a school or church.  The space is
open for a place of refuge when there is a weather threat.

Other information about the pertinent information to tag about the shelter
is operator, address, toilet, kitchen, access=public/private, power, phone,
radio, tv, communications equipment, wheelchair accessibility, and more?
For the US, it might be nice to tag if it meets the FEMA P-361 standards.

Other similar types of shelter that I know little about are
war/bomb/fallout shelters.  Also, there are fallout shelters, but in the
US, these are almost forgotten Cold War relics.

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - 2nd RFC - Improve Toilet Tagging

[Micah Cochran]

Hello Michael,

Thank you for the suggestion.  I have made those changes to the proposal.

Sincerely,
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On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Michael Reichert <naka...@gmx.net> wrote:

> Hi Micah,
>
> Am 2017-04-14 um 18:49 schrieb Micah Cochran:
> > I've rewrote the proposal for improving toilet tagging.  This is a second
> > request for comments.
> >
> > Now this proposal tags for occupancy (single or multi), gender/group
> > designation
> > of toilets that are within a place (where tagged "toilet=yes"), and a
> > prefix tagging scheme that will make the tags only apply to a
> > group(gender) designation
> > toilet.  (For example, it allow you to be able to tag that there are
> > urinals in the men's room, but not the women's room.)
> >
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/
> Toilet_Tagging_Improvements
> >
> > Please put comments in the proposal's discussion section.
>
> The wiki page currently contains many paragraphs which are struck out.
> Could you please delete them because they are no longer proposed by your
> proposal? The OpenSTreetMap Wiki has a version history of each page
> which shows you who edited the page at which time.
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features/Toilet_
> Tagging_Improvements=history
> That's why I think that the section "Revision Notes" is also not necessary.
>
> You can add a link to the previous discussions on the mailing lists
> which are the reason for the changes of your proposal. That would be
> great for people in future who want to understand your changes and why
> things are as they are.
>
> Best regards
>
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[Tagging] Feature Proposal - 2nd RFC - Improve Toilet Tagging

[Micah Cochran]

Hello,

I've rewrote the proposal for improving toilet tagging.  This is a second
request for comments.

Now this proposal tags for occupancy (single or multi), gender/group
designation
of toilets that are within a place (where tagged "toilet=yes"), and a
prefix tagging scheme that will make the tags only apply to a
group(gender) designation
toilet.  (For example, it allow you to be able to tag that there are
urinals in the men's room, but not the women's room.)

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Toilet_Tagging_Improvements

Please put comments in the proposal's discussion section.

Thanks to everyone who have given feedback.

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[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Improve Toilet Tagging

[Micah Cochran]

Hello all,

This is a proposal to make a few improvements to tagging toilets. This
proposal adds a tag for the arrangement of stalls and adds the gender
designation tagging on toilets that are within a place (where tagged
"toilet=yes").

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/
Toilet_Tagging_Improvements

Please take look at it an give me your comments in the discussion.

Thank you,
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Re: [Tagging] how to care about different seasonal road close?

[Micah Cochran]

You might use the "seasonal" key, which seems like it might already be used
to indicate if a highway is open or closed seasonally.  I can't find a
proposal for that use.

This could be seasonal=spring;summer;autumn

There are 54,768 instances of seasonal=yes, which seems fairly useless
unless you are referring to natural phenomenon (streams).

However, I wouldn't count on routing software to recognize this key.  It
would be nice if the software would warned you that this route might be
closed for the season.

I would use that tagging scheme at your own risk.

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> The road after this point (northwards) is closed in the winter season.
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/917369#map=17/50.79221/15.32156
>
> But like Petr says, its each year another time. I had the bad luck to
> route through this street with maps.me because it is not tagged for
> 2017, OSRM seems to not care for the year and does not route there. But
> graphhopper and mapzen does. And Maps.me, and because it is really a
> dead end when you went up there by car its a long way backwards..
>
> So, is there a solution how to deal with roads like this, where you know
> that the road will be closed but you dont know the exact time? Because
> like here, people will forget to tag it for each year.
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Re: [Tagging] Improve toilet tagging

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On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 11-Mar-17 08:51 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>
> Hi,
>>
>> On 03/10/2017 09:43 PM, Micah Cochran wrote:
>>
>>> #2. Single-stall versus Multi-stall tagging
>>>
>> There's also those male toilets with a discrete number of urinals and
>> those where you have basically one wall-wide urinal used by as many
>> people as manage to cram in ;)
>>
>
> There are also discrete urinals with modesty walls to either side.
>
> There are also toilets with urinal/s only (these were termed pissoir).


My elementary school had one of those wall-wide urinals.  :-)

I can see that in the developing world that the standards might be a little
different.  I did consider using the "capacity" tag to try to get a rough
estimate of the number of people who can use the facilities at one time.

If there is more than one "gender" or its tagged within an establishment,
you'd break it out like this:
toilet:male:capacity=*
toilet:female:capacity=*
toilet:unisex:capacity=*

The downfall of this tagging is that if you have a large venue like a
stadium that the capacity might be capacity for hundreds or thousands of
people to use the restroom at a time.  A place large enough to be a stadium
should have indoor mapping, but one near me (which has 100,000 seats) does
not have that level of mapping (with multiple restroom areas).  Most
likely, all of them are multi-stall, but there might be a few single stall
toilets.  Also, when there are more than about 10 toilets, many mappers (me
included) will ignore counting capacity.

I'm not sold on using capacity, but it could be reasonable compromise to
tagging the number of stalls.



>

>> #3. A way to tag the toilets male/female/unisex within an establishment.
>>>
>> Until SotM Brussels I always assumed that an un-gendered amenity=toilets
>> would automatically mean there'll be separate facilites for men an
>> women, and only when accompanied with gender tags would it be limited to
>> a specific sex. In Brussels there was a talk by a woman from India who -
>> if I remember correctly - said that she'd usually not consider to even
>> visit a toilet that was not explicitly marked as having capacity for
>> women because the "default" over there seems to be it's for men. Which
>> brings a whole new urgency to gender tagging.
>>
>
> Unisex toilets exist in Japan, open to both sexes.
> Some have male urinals alongside the wash basins, there, if you want
> privacy, you would have to use a stall (enclosed single toilet).
>
>
There are a few unisex toilets with multiple stalls in the US.  It is
currently a trend on college campuses.  I've not been in one, but what I've
seen appears more private than the gendered counterparts with floor to
ceiling locking rooms for each toilet.


> For example CCC in Hamburg had gender neutral toilets. They upgraded the
> existing (gendered) toilets for the event. So the signs said "Unisex with
> urinal" and "Unisex without urinal". Some people don't want the chance to
> see penises, and hence would avoid unisex toilets for this reason. "Unisex
> toilets without urinal" solves that problem.


I would not be surprised if DEF CON did something similar.

I have heard about signing toilets as "unisex with/without urinal".  In the
US, some places are making all of their toilets unisex as a protesting
"bathroom bills".  Instead of remodeling facilities, establishments simply
change the signs.  As stated, restroom users figure out which restroom they
would feel most comfortable using.

With what I've proposed, this would be tagged individually as:
amenity=toilets
unisex=yes
toilets:position=seatedOR   toilets:position=seated;urinals

or within an establishment as (with the toilets:unisex that I proposed):
amenity=convention_centre
toilets=yes
toilets:unisex=yes
toilets:position=seated;urinals

Convention Centres are probably big enough to need indoor mapping, but that
all depends upon level detail.


>> #1. toilets: namespace
>>> There could be a default toilets: namespace for when tagged within a
>>> place/establishment.This would allow for tagging a richer level of
>>> toilet information.
>>>
>> I'm wary of tagging too many business details. I fear a toilets
>> namespace would lead to people adding all sorts of observations about
>> toilets that they used in some shop or other and that might at best be
>> access=customers if not access=private. I think this would be going too
>> far, it's almost as if we were to start taggin how wide the isles in a
>> shop were or how many checkout desks or if they stock canned
>> strawberries. I suggest to en

[Tagging] Improve toilet tagging

[Micah Cochran]

I am looking to improve tagging of toilets.  Specifically, I'm interested
in tagging gender neutral toilets (unisex or "family toilets") and
single-stall toilets.

I'm using establishment  to mean any place that would be tagged that would
have a public toilet within the place and that you would not create a
separate node/area amenity=toilet.  So, public toilets in an
amenity=restaurant or a shop=department_store, etc.

I'm interesting in gather a little more information for toilets within an
establishment.

===  Here are some deficiencies that I see with current toilet tagging
scheme  ===

#1. toilets: namespace for establishments
#2. Single-stall versus Multi-stall tagging
#3. A way to tag the toilets male/female/unisex within an establishment.
#4. Wiki page amenity=toilets could use some example tagging.


=  Proposed ways to address those deficiencies  =

#1. toilets: namespace
There could be a default toilets: namespace for when tagged within a
place/establishment.This would allow for tagging a richer level of
toilet information.

If it makes sense to tag or not, would be left up to the mapper.

There might be a few places that this would have to be smoothed over to
make this work.  (Example: indoor=yes doesn't necessarily make sense.)

Note: The amenity=toilets page does mention the toilets: namespace, but my
understanding is this namespace only applies to very few of the tags.


#2. Single-stall versus Multi-stall tagging

Is the toilet room itself intended to be used by a single person
(single-stall) at a time or by multiple people (multi-stall)?

Is "stall" the term used in British English for that arrangement of
toilets?  Is there better term?  (Alternatively: Single-occupant /
Multi-occupant could be workable.)

Assume that male/female/unisex are all the same.  This could also be an
instance that you are tagging a single restroom area.
toilets:stall=single/multi

This specifies male/female/unisex for that arrangement
toilets:stall:male=single/multi

For example, Target department stores might be tagged this way for male and
female multi-stall toilets and a single-stall unisex toilets:
toilets:stall=multi
toilets:stall:unisex=single

If you have both single-stall and multi-stall restrooms for male/female
(note semi-colon separated for toilet:stall tag) :
toilets:male=yes
toilets:female=yes
toilets:stall=single;multi


toilets:stall tag should work for amenity=toilets and toilets within an
establishment.


#3.  A way to tag the toilets male/female/unisex within an establishment.

This a specific instance of #1 :toilets namespace.  (Just in case, #1 has
issues.)

This is to tag the male/female/unisex of provided restrooms.

male/female tag is used for access to an establishment.  So a men's social
club might use the tag male=yes.  There seem to be some facilities that
have days only for males and other days only for females.

toilets:male=yes/no
toilets:female=yes/no
toilets:unisex=yes/no

If toilets:male=yes it should imply toilets:female=no and
toilets:unisex=no. This is the same behavior as the male=* access tag.


#4. Wiki page amenity=toilets could use some example tagging.
The existing pictures could be used as examples with tags.  Other examples
could be added.

Note: I've seen some other issues regarding toilet tags, but I don't have
the motivation to tackle those.

Any feedback will be helpful and I will use it to inform writing a proposal.

Thank you for your help,
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