Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour
Hi Dan, I realise that it's my fault for not being very clear from the beginning. I think as John mentions, amenity=soapland is about right. I do suspect that the establishments in Thailand are based on the same concept as those which exist in Japan. Should I create an entry in the wiki for this? On 9/22/14 14:05, Dan S wrote: 2014-09-22 7:29 GMT+01:00 Stephan Knauss o...@stephans-server.de: On 21.09.2014 11:04, Dan S wrote: It looks like there's this tag, including a tag suggested for your specific issue: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmassage please don't use shop=massage for this kind of places. I really don't want them to show up on a map next to Wat Pho massage just because the map creator does not take into account some additional tagging which says yes, it's tagged as a massage, but this tag tells you it isn't. Additional tags can specify something further, but should not change the meaning in general. The original message said this kind of place offers bathing + massage services plus the sexual stuff. My advice was based on that description. You seem to be saying that these places _don't_ offer massage services. I don't actually know which of these is true! Dan ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Best regards Mishari Muqbil EE32 64BD 7D1F 5946 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour
Hi, I saw that, but I'm not convinced it's the right approach as what I'm referring require a specific massage parlor license to operate as opposed to a regular traditional massage establishment which is more suited for shop=massage. I think it would be akin to saying a convenience store and supermarket can all be tagged the same way. Also, I'm not comfortable with using sexual as it could be libelous to state that something illegal is taking place in these establishments (for example, you won't do shop=convenience+marijuana=yes in most parts of the world). How about something like a combination of: amenity=massage_parlour male=yes female=no min_age=21 This should be quite accurate. On 21/9/14 16:04, Dan S wrote: Hi - It looks like there's this tag, including a tag suggested for your specific issue: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmassage Best Dan 2014-09-21 4:23 GMT+01:00 Mishari Muqbil mish...@mishari.net: Hi, Thailand has these places called entertainment complexes[1] that offers bathing + massage services and quite often the expectation is that there will be sexual services offered. However, I don't want to tag them as brothels as prostitution on the premises is legally not allowed[2]. I propose to tag this as leisure=massage_parlour since that's what the Thai English dictionary calls them[3] but I don't want it to be mistaken for more family friendly establishments in other parts of the world. Colloquially these places are called soapy massage so perhaps leisure=soapy_massage? :) One reason why they should be mapped is just how prominent they are as landmarks in general. For example, here's one called Utopia http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/z1A8OOUw01E5Jc84Mff-1Q this one's La Defense http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/ho84IFdUxupke-6pwrWW3g and Colonze http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/469ttdMVw4_1o3vkuvE_xw Any thoughts? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Thailand#Ab_Ob_Nuat [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Thailand#The_Entertainment_Places_Act [3] http://th.w3dictionary.org/index.php?q=%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%96%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%9A%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%9A%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%94 -- Best regards Mishari Muqbil EE32 64BD 7D1F 5946 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour
Hi, To avoid having the word massage throwing off the discussion, I'll refer to it under it's legal name of entertainment place. I'll go ahead with the restrictions then, but the other issue is the specific legal classification that entertainment places fall under[1] as opposed to a regular, much smaller place which offer massages and have the same restrictions posted on the door. You need a specific license to operate a entertainment place which makes it subject to zoning, taxes and other laws and an establishment that operates under this legal definition and license should be tagged accordingly. [1] http://www.lawreform.go.th/lawreform/eng/index.php?option=com_homelawreformentask=showtoclid=705gid=6eword=Pename=Acts%20of%20Parliamentelawname=Public%20Entertainment%20Place%20Act,%20B.E.%202509%20%281966%29 On 9/21/14 22:07, Dan S wrote: Hi, Well, that suggestion specifies access limits (i.e. only males age 21 or more), and if those are true facts and they're what you want to indicate, then go ahead. The access limits don't really tell you if something is soapy or not, but if you decide you only want to imply that and not to state it explicitly, your approach sounds OK to me. However, there's NO reason to use amenity=massage_parlour when shop=massage already exists. Please use it. You said you want to avoid confusion between soapy and family-friendly, and your age-restriction works for that, no need to create a duplicate tag. Best Dan 2014-09-21 14:52 GMT+01:00 Mishari Muqbil mish...@mishari.net: Hi, I saw that, but I'm not convinced it's the right approach as what I'm referring require a specific massage parlor license to operate as opposed to a regular traditional massage establishment which is more suited for shop=massage. I think it would be akin to saying a convenience store and supermarket can all be tagged the same way. Also, I'm not comfortable with using sexual as it could be libelous to state that something illegal is taking place in these establishments (for example, you won't do shop=convenience+marijuana=yes in most parts of the world). How about something like a combination of: amenity=massage_parlour male=yes female=no min_age=21 This should be quite accurate. On 21/9/14 16:04, Dan S wrote: Hi - It looks like there's this tag, including a tag suggested for your specific issue: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmassage Best Dan 2014-09-21 4:23 GMT+01:00 Mishari Muqbil mish...@mishari.net: Hi, Thailand has these places called entertainment complexes[1] that offers bathing + massage services and quite often the expectation is that there will be sexual services offered. However, I don't want to tag them as brothels as prostitution on the premises is legally not allowed[2]. I propose to tag this as leisure=massage_parlour since that's what the Thai English dictionary calls them[3] but I don't want it to be mistaken for more family friendly establishments in other parts of the world. Colloquially these places are called soapy massage so perhaps leisure=soapy_massage? :) One reason why they should be mapped is just how prominent they are as landmarks in general. For example, here's one called Utopia http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/z1A8OOUw01E5Jc84Mff-1Q this one's La Defense http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/ho84IFdUxupke-6pwrWW3g and Colonze http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/469ttdMVw4_1o3vkuvE_xw Any thoughts? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Thailand#Ab_Ob_Nuat [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Thailand#The_Entertainment_Places_Act [3] http://th.w3dictionary.org/index.php?q=%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%96%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%9A%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%9A%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%94 -- Best regards Mishari Muqbil EE32 64BD 7D1F 5946 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Best regards Mishari Muqbil EE32 64BD 7D1F 5946 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] (Soapy) Massage Parlour
Hi, Thailand has these places called entertainment complexes[1] that offers bathing + massage services and quite often the expectation is that there will be sexual services offered. However, I don't want to tag them as brothels as prostitution on the premises is legally not allowed[2]. I propose to tag this as leisure=massage_parlour since that's what the Thai English dictionary calls them[3] but I don't want it to be mistaken for more family friendly establishments in other parts of the world. Colloquially these places are called soapy massage so perhaps leisure=soapy_massage? :) One reason why they should be mapped is just how prominent they are as landmarks in general. For example, here's one called Utopia http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/z1A8OOUw01E5Jc84Mff-1Q this one's La Defense http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/ho84IFdUxupke-6pwrWW3g and Colonze http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/469ttdMVw4_1o3vkuvE_xw Any thoughts? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Thailand#Ab_Ob_Nuat [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Thailand#The_Entertainment_Places_Act [3] http://th.w3dictionary.org/index.php?q=%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%96%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%9A%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%9A%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%A7%E0%B8%94 -- Best regards Mishari Muqbil EE32 64BD 7D1F 5946 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Ablution area
How about if it was amenity=ablution and religion=* or even religion=yes? On 8/31/14 21:09, John Packer wrote: amenity=religious_ablution or similar would be better indeed. 2014-08-31 10:19 GMT-03:00 Dave Swarthout daveswarth...@gmail.com mailto:daveswarth...@gmail.com: I don't know about that. I only wanted to point out that there are other usages of that word. The religious context is only one of several so there might be some disagreement on dedicating any future tags to that use. On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Stephan Knauss o...@stephans-server.de mailto:o...@stephans-server.de wrote: On 31.08.2014 01 tel:31.08.2014%2001:24, André Pirard wrote: On 2014-08-30 10:55, Dave Swarthout wrote : FWIW, I traveled extensively in New Zealand a few years ago and there an ablution block (or ablution area) is a place in a campground where one washes things — dishes, clothing, etc. That definition of ablution is also a sort of purification, I reckon. In French, ablution means hygienic body washing. Misleading. Purification is a secondary meaning. I think the intended use is for use in a religious context. The tag should be in a way that it's not used for dish-washing and ritual purification the same time. Do you think the word is too generic? or the amenity key not suitable for it? Stephan _ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.__org/listinfo/tagging https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Dave Swarthout Homer, Alaska Chiang Mai, Thailand Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org mailto:Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Best regards Mishari Muqbil Twitter: @mishari Skype: misharim Phone: +66 81 8240629 EE32 64BD 7D1F 5946 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Ablution area
Hi, I would like to propose a new tag for Ablution (ritual purification). Wikipedia says that that there's Ablution in Islam, Christianity and Judaism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ablution and worship sites usually have an area set aside for this. Islam: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ablution_area_inside_Eastern_wall_of_Badshahi_mosque.JPG Judaism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual_washing_in_Judaism#mediaviewer/File:Ramban_Synagogue_IMG_0027.JPG I would like to tag it as amenity=ablution for a stand alone facility as pictured above or ablution=yes if a toilet has facilities specifically for performing ablution. -- Best regards Mishari Muqbil Twitter: @mishari Skype: misharim Phone: +66 81 8240629 EE32 64BD 7D1F 5946 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Archway
Hi, In this photo http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/idFfQ3kADwqnRL25JEF78g http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/j_Uwf2UAiHjKi_ovtcu_LQ there's a landmark up ahead at the entrance to the housing project that resembles an arch. It's quite a prominent landmark in an area which is otherwise devoid of any distinct features. Does anyone have an idea as to how to tag this? -- Best regards Mishari Muqbil Twitter: @mishari Skype: misharim Phone: +66 81 8240629 EE32 64BD 7D1F 5946 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
