Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-14 Thread Pee Wee
> > > 1. Has this issue been discussed before and if so … what was the > outcome? > > 2. If not… do you agree with me that private front/back garden > should not be tagged with leisure=garden but with a non-leisure tag? (if > so… any suggestions? And what about private "gardens" that

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-14 Thread Pee Wee
> Why would a private garden require a different key? Do we tag a > private wood / forest in a different way than one that is accessible > by the public? Do private parking lots get a different amenity-key ? > No, we refine this with additional tags. > This method can be applied to private gardens

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-14 Thread Pee Wee
Op vr 12 jul. 2019 om 09:13 schreef Marc Gemis : > On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 8:50 AM Pee Wee wrote: > > Why would a private garden require a different key? Do we tag a > private wood / forest in a different way than one that is accessible > by the public? Do private parking lots

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-12 Thread Pee Wee
gmail.com>: > > > sent from a phone > > On 12. Jul 2019, at 07:23, Pee Wee wrote: > > It seems to me that OSM leisure=garden wiki changed meaning on may 3, 2010 > when someone added a description of “Garden” from the Wikipedia garden > description that refers to pri

[Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-11 Thread Pee Wee
Hi all I would like your opinion on the next issue. On the Dutch forum (googletranslate ) I started a thread about the tag leisure=garden for private front/back gardens. Reason

Re: [Tagging] traffic_sign:forward=*

2015-11-05 Thread Pee Wee
Just want to let you know that in NL we have 3 kind of cycle ways . It is quite common to tag these ways with a traffic_sign in order to differentiate. This is not

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Obligatory vs. optional cycletracks)

2014-12-25 Thread Pee Wee
First of all my compliments for seeking the opinions of the tagging mailing list and your effort to improve OSM. Here are my 2 cents 1 Why does OSM need to distinguish between obligatory and optional cycle ways? As a cyclist myself I can see some reasons why it could be useful for routers

Re: [Tagging] Dispute with user over changing wiki page

2014-11-13 Thread Pee Wee
Thanks all. We'll contact the DWG and see what they can do. Cheers PeeWee32 2014-11-11 23:37 GMT+01:00 Wolfgang Zenker wolfg...@lyxys.ka.sub.org: Hi, * Pee Wee piewi...@gmail.com [14 19:20]: I thought I just wait some days for other to reply but unfortunately no more then yours

Re: [Tagging] Dispute with user over changing wiki page

2014-11-13 Thread Pee Wee
Good point Martin For this issue it is irrelevant what the real life identity is of this user. I'll not mention any of this in the e-mail to the DWG. (Not that I know that much about this mapper) Cheers Peter 2014-11-13 17:56 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2014-11-08

Re: [Tagging] Dispute with user over changing wiki page

2014-11-11 Thread Pee Wee
we can do? Cheers PeeWee32 2014-11-08 18:55 GMT+01:00 Michael Reichert naka...@gmx.net: Hi PeeWee32, Am 2014-11-08 um 16:47 schrieb Pee Wee: We are writing to you for advice on what steps we should or could take next. The situation is best summarized as: 1. A user is attempting

[Tagging] Dispute with user over changing wiki page

2014-11-08 Thread Pee Wee
We are writing to you for advice on what steps we should or could take next. The situation is best summarized as: 1. A user is attempting to change, without consensus, the meaning of a tag that was accepted through a proposal process. There are 2 changes that are arguable: one is a considerable

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - cycleway=soft_lane

2014-10-31 Thread Pee Wee
Hi Hubert First of all I big compliment for bringing up the issue and tying to work towards a solution. If I look at the voting I see quite a few that would approve if it would be tagged with a sub-tag. My guess is that most voters that approved will also approve if the sub-tag would be

Re: [Tagging] Vandalis on access page

2014-10-24 Thread Pee Wee
Thanks Hubert I've changed the use_sidepath https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bicycle%3Duse_sidepath wiki so that it is clear that this is about cycleways that are drawn as a separate highway. 2014-10-23 22:55 GMT+02:00 Hubert sg.fo...@gmx.de: I meant the two pages:

Re: [Tagging] Vandalis on access page

2014-10-23 Thread Pee Wee
Thanks all for your reactions. I also think that the most changes made to wiki are made in good faith and with good intentions and that is to improve OSM. This even goes for Ulamm. He also wants to improve OSM but it is just the way he does this that gets me irritated. Most of us (I guess) do

Re: [Tagging] Vandalis on access page

2014-10-21 Thread Pee Wee
Well... here's my experience with user Ulamm. He sure has taken away part of the fun it was contributing to this project. I've noticed he made some changes to the use_sidepath http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bicycle%3Duse_sidepath wiki. I asked him in a private mail for the reason of the

Re: [Tagging] Vandalis on access page

2014-10-08 Thread Pee Wee
If I understand correctly you say it would be better if the wiki stated that the compulsory cycleway is drawn as a separte way. I think you are right. I could changed that in the wiki. Unfortunately the user Ulamm has changed the wiki (for the worse in my opinion) so I'll send him an email before

Re: [Tagging] Vandalis on access page

2014-10-08 Thread Pee Wee
...@gmail.com: It is perfectly fine to revert somebody. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD,_revert,_discuss_cycle 2014-10-08 12:48 GMT+02:00 Pee Wee piewi...@gmail.com: If I understand correctly you say it would be better if the wiki stated that the compulsory cycleway is drawn

Re: [Tagging] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

2014-09-24 Thread Pee Wee
As per Peewee post - the definition of 'paved' vs 'unpaved' is open to interpretation. But I don't think anyone would accept 'sand' as being 'paved'? I would not call sand paved but when we look at e.g.gravel / fine_gravel the opinions will vary. The OSM based Openfietsmap

Re: [Tagging] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

2014-09-24 Thread Pee Wee
2014-09-24 19:03 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2014-09-24 18:40 GMT+02:00 Pee Wee piewi...@gmail.com: I would not call sand paved but when we look at e.g.gravel / fine_gravel the opinions will vary. The OSM based Openfietsmap http://www.openfietsmap.nl/home/legenda

Re: [Tagging] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

2014-09-21 Thread Pee Wee
-1 A renderer/router is perfectly capable of deciding what he thinks is paved/unpaved. He can decide whether he calls gravel / fine_gravel paved or unpaved. Do not leave the decision paved/unpaved up to the mapper. Map what you see. As you may have guessed I prefer surface=asphalt over

Re: [Tagging] New key proposal - paved=yes/no

2014-09-21 Thread Pee Wee
2014-09-21 15:37 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Il giorno 21/set/2014, alle ore 09:29, Pee Wee piewi...@gmail.com ha scritto: As you may have guessed I prefer surface=asphalt over surface=paved since the last one could mean that it is gravel. while I also

Re: [Tagging] changing wiki , changing definitions

2014-08-25 Thread Pee Wee
notifications by going on your settings page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:Preferences?uselang=en#mw-prefsection-personal and turn on the checkbox Email me when a page or file on my watchlist is changed.* Cheers PeeWee32 2014-08-20 8:27 GMT+02:00 Pee Wee piewi...@gmail.com: Thanks

Re: [Tagging] changing wiki , changing definitions

2014-08-20 Thread Pee Wee
, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Hi, On 08/19/2014 09:04 AM, Pee Wee wrote: Sure I could send an email to the person that changed this but what do you think is the best way to deal with this changing wiki pages? Or should I just accept that these things happen and change it back and send an email

Re: [Tagging] problem with bicycle=designated

2014-08-19 Thread Pee Wee
In The Netherlands we more or less have agreement on this scheme http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle_tags_map#Cycleway_tagsfor tagging cycleways, cycle streets. I've also noticed this is totally different from the schemes used in Germany and other countries. During the discussion on the

[Tagging] changing wiki , changing definitions

2014-08-19 Thread Pee Wee
This year the bicycle=use_sidepath was accepeted. After the vote I made a wiki page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bicycle%3Duse_sidepath. I've just noticed that the page was changed in such a way that it also changes the definition. The tag can only be applied in counties that have

Re: [Tagging] problem with bicycle=designated

2014-08-19 Thread Pee Wee
2014-08-19 9:11 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com: 2014-08-19 8:22 GMT+02:00 Pee Wee piewi...@gmail.com: In The Netherlands we more or less have agreement on this scheme http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle_tags_map#Cycleway_tagsfor tagging cycleways, cycle streets. I've

[Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - (bicycle=use_sidepath) (was use_sideway)

2014-05-23 Thread Pee Wee
On may 16th the voting ended. The result: 26 votes, 22 approve, 4 oppose. This means the proposal is accepted. I will do the post-vote clean up. Thanks everyone for voting and contributing. Cheers PeeWee32 -- Forwarded message -- From: Pee Wee piewi...@gmail.com Date: 2014

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (bicycle=use_sidepath) (was use_sideway)

2014-05-02 Thread Pee Wee
On march 16 we launched the RFC for a use_sideway tag. There has not been much discussion about the proposal. The most discussion was on the NL forum about the name of the tag. It was mentioned that the word sideway is not a clear English word and can be confusing. There have been a few other

[Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - RFC - use_sideway (was bicycle=use_cycleway)

2014-03-25 Thread Pee Wee
in the proposal. Cheers. PeeWee32 -- Forwarded message -- From: Pee Wee piewi...@gmail.com Date: 2014-03-21 8:26 GMT+01:00 Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - use_sideway (was bicycle=use_cycleway) To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - use_sideway (was bicycle=use_cycleway)

2014-03-21 Thread Pee Wee
...@matthijsmelissen.nl: On 16 March 2014 17:34, Pee Wee piewi...@gmail.com wrote: Last november we proposed the bicycle=use_cycleway. There was a lot of discussion before and during voting. The voting was very close but we decided to reject the proposal and work on a new one. | no backward

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - use_sideway (was bicycle=use_cycleway)

2014-03-16 Thread Pee Wee
This is an RFC for a new value: use_sidewayhttps://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/use_sideway. (which is an access value) Last november we proposed the bicycle=use_cyclewayhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle_use_cycleway. There was a lot of discussion before

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an imaginary oneway barrier

2014-02-09 Thread Pee Wee
://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Finland:Traffic_signs is not so bad after all ;-) cheers PeeWee32 2014-02-06 17:07 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2014-02-05 17:14 GMT+01:00 Pee Wee piewi...@gmail.com: I'd discourage this tagging (and, semantically it doesn't make sense

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an imaginary oneway barrier

2014-02-05 Thread Pee Wee
2014-02-02 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: a node still doesn't have a direction, the node could also be the end of more than one way, or there could be more ways going into the node, all of which would make the situation unclear, and all of which can also happen in the future.

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an imaginary oneway barrier

2014-02-02 Thread Pee Wee
2014-02-02 Jo winfi...@gmail.com: The 4th option is to use turn restrictions on the crossing where the 'virtual' sign is placed. Jo That may very wel be the best solution. That means we have to split the way at the location of the traffic_sign. That is kind of a shame because I was

[Tagging] How to tag an imaginary oneway barrier

2014-02-01 Thread Pee Wee
On the Dutch forumhttp://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=394396#p394396there is some discussion on how to tag a common situation. It is about a street that has no traffic sign on one end (side A) and a C6 sign http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Nederlands_verkeersbord_C6.svgon the

Re: [Tagging] How to tag an imaginary oneway barrier

2014-02-01 Thread Pee Wee
2014-02-01 Martin Koppenhöfer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 1 seems the best representation, But rather complicated I'm afraid 2 is not working because a node has no direction If a node is part of a way (which has a direction) a router should have enough information to conclude in which

Re: [Tagging] End voting bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-12-15 Thread Pee Wee
...@gmail.com 2013/12/15 Pee Wee piewi...@gmail.com 1. There are no absolute rules as to when it is approved/rejected (and I can understand that) there are for voting: we require at least 15 votes and a majority of yes votes. Of course a won voting doesn't make your tag approved or used

Re: [Tagging] End voting bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-12-14 Thread Pee Wee
a better route. Cheers PeeWee32 2013/12/14 Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl On 13 December 2013 19:37, Pee Wee piewi...@gmail.com wrote: We want to thank all the contributors to this discussion. We think and hope we have enough information to work on new proposal. Thank you

[Tagging] End voting bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-12-13 Thread Pee Wee
Today the voting of the bicycle=use_cyclewayhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Bicycle_use_cyclewayended. Voting results: Yes: 10 (not counting the 2 that made the proposal) No: 11 Abstain: 3 This is reason enough for us to work on a better proposal so we reject the

Re: [Tagging] End voting bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-12-13 Thread Pee Wee
of agreement but we're going to give it a try. Cheers PeeWee32 2013/12/14 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com 2013/12/13 Pee Wee piewi...@gmail.com Today the voting of the bicycle=use_cyclewayhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Bicycle_use_cyclewayended. Voting

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-12-03 Thread Pee Wee
As far as I know it is not common to change the wiki while voting. I want to change many things but I understand why it is not fair to change while voting. Today I noticed that user Emkey08 added info to wiki (Rationale routing) . Is this OK? Cheers PeeWee32 2013/12/2 Jonathan

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-29 Thread Pee Wee
Today voting has started. I hope our answers/comments to some objections have been good enough for your support. Happy voting. Cheers PeeWee32 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-29 Thread Pee Wee
Sorry this was my firts proposal. Wikilink http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle_use_cycleway 2013/11/29 Pieren pier...@gmail.com On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Pee Wee piewi...@gmail.com wrote: Probably a link to the wiki would help... Pieren

Re: [Tagging] country specific scheme - was: Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-16 Thread Pee Wee
Thanks for this information. Openfietsmap contacted me to get more detailed info. I'll send you an e-mail. 2013/11/15 Masi Master masi-mas...@gmx.de Am 15.11.2013, 16:45 Uhr, schrieb Pee Wee piewi...@gmail.com: 2013/11/14 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com 2013/11/14 Ronnie Soak

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-15 Thread Pee Wee
2013/11/14 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com 2013/11/14 Ronnie Soak chaoschaos0...@googlemail.com For the access tags (and we do discuss access tags here), it is common practice to have country-specific defaults on certain highway types as listed in the wiki [1] and only tag what

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-15 Thread Pee Wee
The proposed tag is also for odd vehicles. In NL and DE some bicycles with certain measurments may use the adjacent road. Not just for destination purposes. So I'm afraid a bicycle=destination will not work. 2013/11/16 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org On Friday, November 15, 2013, Masi

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-14 Thread Pee Wee
A question and some remarks Considering routers and not breaking routing. A few of you have made remark concerning breaking schemes and routers getting in to problems. I do not understand this. Ronnie Soak e.g. wrote “I would prefer an additional tag over a replacement for bicycle=no, as this

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-13 Thread Pee Wee
Thanks all for your comments. I understand most of the comments made here. Most of them were discussed on the German forumhttp://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=21938(in English) and the Dutch forum http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=22151(in Dutch). I should have directed

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-12 Thread Pee Wee
Together with user Masimaster I've made a proposal for a new tag to improve bicycle routing. I think (and hope) the wiki is clear enough but I’ll say a few words about this new tag. The tag http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle_use_cycleway is introduced to separate 2 kinds of roads where

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-12 Thread Pee Wee
2013/11/12 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com Pee Wee A couple of questions. How does this improve mapping/routing over using bicycle=no? For an ordinary bike I do not think that routing will differ from the situation where we would tag all these type 2 way's with a bicycle-no . The problem

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-12 Thread Pee Wee
that most roads for which this new tag is introduced do not have a bicycle= tag yet. (with the exeption of NL) On 12 November 2013 18:16, Pee Wee piewi...@gmail.com wrote: Together with user Masimaster I've made a proposal for a new tag to improve bicycle routing. I think (and hope) the wiki