Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - addr:interpolation on closed ways and nodes

2020-12-24 Thread Peter Elderson
and - is never a range indicator. Error to be expected: people just copying the housenumber plate may use 2-250. When using the explicit addr:range tag, the format error may be detected because .. is missing. Peter Elderson Op do 24 dec. 2020 om 15:12 schreef Paul Allen : > On Thu, 24 Dec 2

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:traffic_calming=hillocky

2020-12-20 Thread Peter Elderson
I'd say they are small mounds. Hillock sounds too, er, hilly. Peter Elderson Op zo 20 dec. 2020 om 11:39 schreef ael via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org>: > > I'm uncomfortable with hillock/hillocky as a value. > > "Hillock" is quite common in British Englis

Re: [Tagging] The saga of landuse=reservoir vs water=reservoir

2020-12-16 Thread Peter Elderson
I'll tag both ways then, or better map none at all? Shirt, another dilemma. I need something stronger than tea. Peter Elderson Op wo 16 dec. 2020 om 17:04 schreef Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org>: > Dec 16, 2020, 16:49 by tomasstrau...@gmail.com: > >

Re: [Tagging] How to put a name tag on an area with more than one type?

2020-12-15 Thread Peter Elderson
stevea : > (Personally, I find JOSM’s relation editor to be one of its most elegant > features for a data structure as relatively complex as a relation. > I am not qualified to judge elegance, but I find JOSM's relation editor the best there is. I don't think relations are very complex data

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - crossing=priority

2020-12-13 Thread Peter Elderson
Colin Smale het volgende geschreven: > >  >> >> On 2020-12-13 21:53, Peter Elderson wrote: >> >> Just to clarify: >> >> > crossing=priority Indicates that the node is a pedestrian crossing >> when applied to highway=cycleway, should

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - crossing=priority

2020-12-13 Thread Peter Elderson
s applied to a cycleway? And with segregated=no, do motorists get a warning that horses may cross on the cycleway? Peter Elderson Op zo 13 dec. 2020 om 21:08 schreef ipswichmapper--- via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org>: > Yes, most likely this won't be required. However I have kept

Re: [Tagging] How to put a name tag on an area with more than one type?

2020-12-13 Thread Peter Elderson
layouts, you would need a different type of relation. Maybe an existing type can be used, or a specialised type can be defined. I would think a pilot project could test the concept for mappers, renderers and other data users. If succesful, showcase. If not, document and delete. Peter Elderson Op

Re: [Tagging] How to put a name tag on an area with more than one type?

2020-12-11 Thread Peter Elderson
Actually, there is no Rijn in Rotterdam. But that does not change the argument. Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 11 dec. 2020 om 18:11 heeft Christoph Hormann het > volgende geschreven: > >  > >> Anders Torger hat am 11.12.2020 17:07 geschrieben: >> >&g

Re: [Tagging] RFC: vaccination / COVID-19 vaccination centres

2020-11-26 Thread Peter Elderson
ponse" plans. Peter Elderson Op do 26 nov. 2020 om 21:07 schreef Martin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com>: > Am Do., 26. Nov. 2020 um 18:35 Uhr schrieb Peter Elderson < > pelder...@gmail.com>: > >> Well, mass testing did not stop the virus anywhere, it just cos

Re: [Tagging] RFC: vaccination / COVID-19 vaccination centres

2020-11-26 Thread Peter Elderson
facilities will disappear. OSM-forums will carry on the debate whether they should be tagged as historic or abandoned until the next pandemic. Peter Elderson Op do 26 nov. 2020 om 15:59 schreef Paul Allen : > On Thu, 26 Nov 2020 at 02:35, stevea wrote: > >> I'm in California, where

Re: [Tagging] RFC: vaccination / COVID-19 vaccination centres

2020-11-25 Thread Peter Elderson
the yelling at each other. Then it will become a standard yearly vaccination and we will all return to normal. O, the stories we will tell our grandchildren when they really just want to hang out with each other and play games... Best, Peter Elderson Op wo 25 nov. 2020 om 22:33 schreef Paul Allen

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Cycle Route Relations vs. Ways

2020-11-18 Thread Peter Elderson
). I would rate this information: sometimes useful but not very reliable. Technical improvements will not fix this. What the mappers put there could do with improvement. The challenge is how to get the mappers to do it. Peter Elderson Op wo 18 nov. 2020 om 19:09 schreef Martin Koppenhoefer

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Cycle Route Relations vs. Ways

2020-11-16 Thread Peter Elderson
g each one with name=Polygon Alley. No normalization applies, just tag it. Best, Peter Elderson Op ma 16 nov. 2020 om 18:17 schreef Seth Deegan : > Honestly I think I'm just confused. > I guess ways *do have* official names, it's just that I keep on thinking > about the possible *conceptual* co

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate water=pond?

2020-11-13 Thread Peter Elderson
Ah, profiling! Hadn't thought of that yet. Best, Peter Elderson Op vr 13 nov. 2020 om 10:18 schreef Michael Patrick : > > I am surprised nobody has suggested a pondness or lakicity scale yet. >> > > It isn't unusual outside of OSM for relative percentages of the di

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate water=pond?

2020-11-12 Thread Peter Elderson
I am surprised nobody has suggested a pondness or lakicity scale yet. Best, Peter Elderson Op do 12 nov. 2020 om 02:46 schreef stevea : > If we're going to do "this:" > > So perhaps we could create a new tag water=natural_pond for small, > natural or semi-natural lak

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate water=pond?

2020-11-11 Thread Peter Elderson
y"(except where it's not), "in most countries" (but not everywhere) etc etc. I don't think most bodies of water can be tagged as pond or lake by any common standard, in a way that all agree. Nor do I think that is a problem. Best, Peter Elderson Op wo 11 nov. 2020 om 19:51 schreef Bria

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate water=pond?

2020-11-11 Thread Peter Elderson
I am getting a foot vs hiking feeling. Everybody knows a difference, nobody has the same difference. In the end, it does not matter. Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 11 nov. 2020 om 16:02 heeft Brian M. Sperlongano > het volgende geschreven: > >  > If the consensus is to go with

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate water=pond?

2020-11-09 Thread Peter Elderson
finition would not help at all in this case. Peter Elderson > Op 10 nov. 2020 om 06:30 heeft Joseph Eisenberg > het volgende geschreven: > >  > The tag water=pond was added with a large number of other types of "water=*" > in 2011, but it has a poorly defined description.

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

2020-11-05 Thread Peter Elderson
people do not die on schedule one at a time. Peter Elderson > Op 5 nov. 2020 om 19:56 heeft Joseph Eisenberg > het volgende geschreven: > >  > I'm not able to find any website which clearly talks about a specific > "mourning room", though it is certainly documented th

Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

2020-11-05 Thread Peter Elderson
> rate the following "favourable", "acceptable" or "unfavourable"? > > amenity=mourning > acceptable, though I think an amenity should be a feature, not an activity > amenity=place_of_mourning > favourable. Secondary tags could add details if necessary > amenity=mourning_room >

Re: [Tagging] religious bias - Re: Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

2020-11-04 Thread Peter Elderson
by objects and decorations, and often actually presumed present. The deceased may also be just represented. Peter Elderson Op wo 4 nov. 2020 om 23:30 schreef Paul Allen : > On Wed, 4 Nov 2020 at 20:50, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > >> I was surprised that this tag is rushed into voting despite t

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)

2020-11-04 Thread Peter Elderson
woll...@posteo.de: > > Dear all, > > ...someone who has died before their funeral I should hope so > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Parking fee only after some time period

2020-10-21 Thread Peter Elderson
towing_penalty=no means your car is towed away for free? In Nederland, towing always comes with a penalty, even if you don't want your car back. Maybe a tag for consequences should be introduced. I suggest or_else=cargone. Best, Peter Elderson > Op 21 okt. 2020 om 10:32 heeft stevea

Re: [Tagging] Proposal to change key:man_made to key:human_made

2020-10-19 Thread Peter Elderson
Or, let's acknowledge that many distinctions are pointless because an awful lot of primary keys just mean "thing", so the key does not really matter, only the value counts. Who cares what the * in *=bus_stop says, it's a bus stop. Peter Elderson >> Op 19 okt. 2020 om 19

Re: [Tagging] Proposal to change key:man_made to key:human_made

2020-10-19 Thread Peter Elderson
Another illusion shattered... where is this world going to? Best, Peter Elderson > Op 19 okt. 2020 om 13:48 heeft Jo het volgende > geschreven: > >  > It would be best to first consider the consequences of such a change. Weigh > the benefits against what we lose i

Re: [Tagging] Battery swapping spot in a charging station or being an individual tag?

2020-10-06 Thread Peter Elderson
Would that be a new sub-tag or a value of an existing sub-tag? Best, Peter Elderson Op di 6 okt. 2020 om 09:27 schreef Jez Nicholson : > Myself, I would prefer *not* to have a new tag. Swapping a battery is a > form of recharging and can be detailed in a subtag. > > On Tue, 6 Oct 2

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (shop=direct marketing)

2020-10-03 Thread Peter Elderson
Is it private sale? Vr gr Peter Elderson Op za 3 okt. 2020 om 23:37 schreef Graeme Fitzpatrick : > > > > On Sun, 4 Oct 2020 at 00:39, Paul Allen wrote: > >> >> More important is if there is a sign, >> > > Hand-painted signs saying "Horse manure&

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (shop=direct marketing)

2020-10-03 Thread Peter Elderson
I think for tagging it should be more than the occasional road-side sale? Best, Peter Elderson Op za 3 okt. 2020 om 14:38 schreef Paul Allen : > On Sat, 3 Oct 2020 at 13:22, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > >> >> shop=* seems ok for me. > > > And for me. There

Re: [Tagging] "width" on streets: Time for a recommendation

2020-09-29 Thread Peter Elderson
What about the many streets and roads where the kerb or lining is bended and curled to cut the parking lane into sections? Best, Peter Elderson Op di 29 sep. 2020 om 11:40 schreef Supaplex : > Now I am a little confused. > > As I understand Pieter, you used "width:carriage

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Large fire perimeter tagging?

2020-09-27 Thread Peter Elderson
Clifford Snow : > I'm not sure there would be a consensus agreement to revise the wiki to > indicate landuse=forest should be used for timber production. Thoughts? > I am sure there would not. landuse=forest just means the area has trees. I think there is some consensus about that.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Chapel of rest)

2020-09-27 Thread Peter Elderson
Funeral viewing room sounds like a room where you can view the funeral. I suspect modern ones have very large screens and nice sound effects. Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 27 sep. 2020 om 19:39 heeft woll...@posteo.de het volgende geschreven: > > "In any case, the proposer seems to fe

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Chapel of rest)

2020-09-25 Thread Peter Elderson
I would suggest respectorium, but I do not want to start a new hype in the funeral branch. Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 25 sep. 2020 om 17:10 heeft woll...@posteo.de het volgende geschreven: > > "Wake rooms" was at one time my favorite, but then I was told that some >

Re: [Tagging] Linking Sidewalks to Highways

2020-09-22 Thread Peter Elderson
Jeroen Hoek : > I have been applying highway=cycleway + cycleway=link as well to see how > this feels. Some early documentation I have been preparing: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:JeroenHoek#cycleway.3Dlink > Why the diagonal link to the center intersection node? Wouldn't it be

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Chapel of rest)

2020-09-21 Thread Peter Elderson
I have heard mourning chapel, mourning room, funeral chapel, funeral room. Chapel of rest does not seem right to me, though I understand how the funeral business would like that term better. But I'm not a native speaker. PCMIIW. Peter Elderson Op ma 21 sep. 2020 om 21:14 schreef : > Dear

Re: [Tagging] Linking Sidewalks to Highways

2020-09-21 Thread Peter Elderson
exceptions. Currently I do map short footways/paths where I know pedestrians will cross the road, even when no physically marked crossing exists. Opposite lowered kerbs or the fact that nearby dirt paths exists at both sides, not too far apart, already is a luxury. Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 21

Re: [Tagging] Powerbank Sharing Systems

2020-09-19 Thread Peter Elderson
Wouldn't that just duplicate the location systems they offer? And on top of that, a sizable maintenance burden to keep up with the changes? Who is going to want this on OSM after committing to a chain? Best, Peter Elderson Op za 19 sep. 2020 om 13:02 schreef Jake Edmonds via Tagging < tagg

Re: [Tagging] automated edits seem to remove crossing=zebra drastically

2020-09-18 Thread Peter Elderson
> > Maybe crossing=marked + marked=??? > where ??? is the "type" of crossing - UK_zebra (as well as all their other > birds & animals!), US_zebra, EU_zebra & so on, so if you know exactly what > it is you can specify, but if you can only see a crossing marked there, you > can just call it a marked

Re: [Tagging] automated edits seem to remove crossing=zebra drastically

2020-09-17 Thread Peter Elderson
In Nederland, the zebra is a very clear and specific type of crossing with legal rules including yield to pedestrians walking on or even toward the zebra. I think this will continue to be the case even after Europe leaves the British Union. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op do 17 sep. 2020 om 20:12

Re: [Tagging] automated edits seem to remove crossing=zebra drastically

2020-09-16 Thread Peter Elderson
=pathtocrosstheroadmarkedwithstripeslikeazebratograntprioritytopedestrians? Peter Elderson >> Op 16 sep. 2020 om 23:47 heeft Graeme Fitzpatrick >> het volgende geschreven: >  > > >> On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 20:01, Martin Koppenhoefer >> wrote: >> while the very generic crossing=marked, which was quite unp

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for board games themed pubs

2020-09-12 Thread Peter Elderson
. I'm not sure how to tag solar terrace orientation and terrace cover type, though Vr gr Peter Elderson Op za 12 sep. 2020 om 11:01 schreef Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org>: > > > > 12 Sep 2020, 00:50 by graemefi...@gmail.com: > > > >

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for board games themed pubs

2020-09-11 Thread Peter Elderson
Focus? Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 11 sep. 2020 om 20:40 heeft Paul Allen het volgende > geschreven: > >  >> On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 at 19:09, Martin Koppenhoefer >> wrote: > >> > Themed implies that is the raison d'etre for the pubs existance and you >>

Re: [Tagging] Rail segment in a bike route

2020-08-31 Thread Peter Elderson
rail to be followed exactly. I don't think roles in fixed route relations will solve the instant routing challenge! > On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 09:53, Peter Elderson wrote: > >> Jo: >> >>> I added that it's not needed for ferries in the proposal on the wiki. >>> It's

Re: [Tagging] Rail segment in a bike route

2020-08-31 Thread Peter Elderson
Jo: > I added that it's not needed for ferries in the proposal on the wiki. It's > alright if we have more than 1 way to do it and leave it up to the mapper > to decide whether to map as a single route relation or split them and use a > superroute relation. > Wouldn't this apply to other

Re: [Tagging] Rail segment in a bike route

2020-08-31 Thread Peter Elderson
combine this? Multiple roles are currently not defined. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op ma 31 aug. 2020 om 08:16 schreef Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > On 31/8/20 8:25 am, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > Keep it simple, if the simple solution does not limit you. > > > > Agreed

Re: [Tagging] Rail segment in a bike route

2020-08-30 Thread Peter Elderson
is in the child relation, you don't need to specify that in the role. This is valid for many route types. I would suggest not to present it as a complex bicycle route, but as a way to incorporate transfer sections of different types in routes of any transport type. Best, Peter Elderson Op zo 30 aug

Re: [Tagging] Rail segment in a bike route

2020-08-30 Thread Peter Elderson
Elderson Op zo 30 aug. 2020 om 12:47 schreef Peter Elderson : > True. In that case, a transfer relation in a superroute is necessary. Like > all the other roles: do not combine these roles on ways with with > forward/backward, use a relation instead. > > Vr gr Peter Elderson > > &g

Re: [Tagging] Rail segment in a bike route

2020-08-30 Thread Peter Elderson
I think the transfer section only needs the role transfer. The exact way of transport there is tagged on the child relation which is a route in itself. (type=route, route=*). Peter Elderson Op zo 30 aug. 2020 om 13:11 schreef Jo : > I was in a hurry to go and eat and forgot to

Re: [Tagging] Rail segment in a bike route

2020-08-30 Thread Peter Elderson
True. In that case, a transfer relation in a superroute is necessary. Like all the other roles: do not combine these roles on ways with with forward/backward, use a relation instead. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op zo 30 aug. 2020 om 12:06 schreef Jo : > Hi Francesco, > > I will create the s

Re: [Tagging] Rail segment in a bike route

2020-08-30 Thread Peter Elderson
by the tags of the ways. editors, QA-tools and datausers would have to handle the role. It fits in nicely with the accepted roles for recreational routes, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Roles_for_recreational_route_relations Best, Peter Elderson Op zo 30 aug. 2020 om 11:26 schreef Francesco

Re: [Tagging] Network-tag needs extension

2020-08-24 Thread Peter Elderson
> > how could you change the definition of an undocumented tag? > Easy. It happens all the time, you just never hear about it. ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >

Re: [Tagging] Benches and hostile architecture

2020-08-24 Thread Peter Elderson
Wouln't it be more osm to describe visible and verifiable attributes of features, rather than architectural design principles or supposed intentions? Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 24 aug. 2020 om 12:11 heeft Florian Lohoff het volgende > geschreven: > > On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 01:2

Re: [Tagging] Benches and hostile architecture

2020-08-23 Thread Peter Elderson
The British really call bench construction "architecture"? Amazing. I can see this going the same way as village green. Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 23 aug. 2020 om 22:59 heeft Andy Townsend het volgende > geschreven: > > On 23/08/2020 21:22, Joseph Eisenberg wrote

Re: [Tagging] Canopy Walkways

2020-08-22 Thread Peter Elderson
render canopy_walkways specifically. Best Peter Elderson Op za 22 aug. 2020 om 11:16 schreef Jake Edmonds via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org>: > Should the key be bridge? > I feel like canopy walkways are more like bridges than boardwalks. > > Sent from Jake Edmonds' iP

Re: [Tagging] Canopy Walkways

2020-08-21 Thread Peter Elderson
Do we tag highway=motor ? Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 22 aug. 2020 om 00:37 heeft Andy Mabbett het > volgende geschreven: > > On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 at 21:44, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > >>> highway=trunk_hghway > >> these are different because it would

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - kerb=regular

2020-08-21 Thread Peter Elderson
Nederland: stoeprand (/stooprund/); officially: trottoirband (/trotwharbund/) I wonder what it is in Burundi and Iceland. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op vr 21 aug. 2020 om 09:39 schreef Martin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com>: > > > sent from a phone > > > O

Re: [Tagging] Canopy Walkways

2020-08-21 Thread Peter Elderson
footway on bridge construction, so highway=footway, bridge=yes seems ok. Canopy walkway is the term I see used everywhere, not canopy bridge. Makes sense to attach the canopy detail to the footway then. So footway=canopy_walkway sounds right to me. Best, Peter Elderson Op vr 21 aug. 2020 om

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-19 Thread Peter Elderson
Two dots are used in some circles to indicate inclusive range. eg 21..27. Best, Peter Elderson Op wo 19 aug. 2020 om 00:25 schreef Tod Fitch : > > On Aug 18, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > > > Maybe we should use a different character to indicate a range, su

Re: [Tagging] new page for tree_lined=*

2020-08-15 Thread Peter Elderson
Martin Koppenhoefer: > I think we can assume that a line of trees in the middle is sufficient to > make mappers use 2 highways instead of 1!? How can we distinguish between > the following sections > tree - road - tree - road - tree > and > tree - road - tree - tree - road - tree > and > tree -

Re: [Tagging] new page for tree_lined=*

2020-08-15 Thread Peter Elderson
on a separate tree_line page. Best, Peter Elderson Op vr 14 aug. 2020 om 01:08 schreef Martin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com>: > I’ve set up an initial documentation page for the tree_lined attribute > (used mainly in conjunction with highways and waterways) and welcom

Re: [Tagging] new page for tree_lined=*

2020-08-13 Thread Peter Elderson
I can see how an area such as a parking, a churchyard or pedestrian area can be tree lined. A node feature, not so much. Best, Peter Elderson Op vr 14 aug. 2020 om 01:08 schreef Martin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com>: > I’ve set up an initial documentation page for the t

Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

2020-07-25 Thread Peter Elderson
Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 25 jul. 2020 om 22:43 heeft Allroads het > volgende geschreven: > > The earlier mentioned, > bicycle=leave > This is for me, leave the bicycle behind at the sign. > More native English speakers can give a comment on that? If you're not with

Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

2020-07-25 Thread Peter Elderson
Op 25 jul. 2020 om 22:43 heeft Allroads het volgende geschreven: > So, now we need also a hard yes. That you must bring a bicycle with you. That's an attribute of the bus service/transfer, not the road, I think. > > ___ > Tagging mailing list >

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-25 Thread Peter Elderson
Op za 25 jul. 2020 om 13:07 schreef Andy Townsend : > > (re adding guideposts to route relations) > > On 21/07/2020 22:18, Peter Elderson wrote: > > I think the Why question comes first. Why do people in OSM map anything? I can't see any reason why I'd want > t

Re: [Tagging] Map maintenance with StreetComplete - Preferred tagging

2020-07-24 Thread Peter Elderson
Op vr 24 jul. 2020 om 22:53 schreef Tobias Knerr : > On 24.07.20 14:13, Peter Elderson wrote: > > In comparable cases (non-OSM, but comparible checking schemes), I do not > > record the date it has been checked, I record the future date when it > > should be checked (again

Re: [Tagging] Map maintenance with StreetComplete - Preferred tagging

2020-07-24 Thread Peter Elderson
to confirm the suggested future check_date or enter a better one. Easy overpass queries can find objects past the check_date. Easy maps can show objects past the check_date. It's all much simpler than searching possibly complex history. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op do 23 jul. 2020 om 18:08 schreef Tobias

Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

2020-07-23 Thread Peter Elderson
bicycle=leave Vr gr Peter Elderson Op do 23 jul. 2020 om 23:32 schreef Mike Thompson : > > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 2:34 PM Matthew Woehlke > wrote: > > > > > > > ...but then your horse is a passenger in a vehicle. Otherwise that would > > be like

Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

2020-07-22 Thread Peter Elderson
bicycle=leave Vr gr Peter Elderson Op wo 22 jul. 2020 om 17:36 schreef Tod Fitch : > > > On Jul 22, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Jmapb wrote: > > If this unfortunate tagging practice really needs to be preserved (the > idea of retagging so many bicycle=no ways is certainly daunting)

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-21 Thread Peter Elderson
I think the Why question comes first! Best, Peter Elderson Op di 21 jul. 2020 om 21:47 schreef Andy Townsend : > On 21/07/2020 20:37, pangoSE wrote: > > > > Andy Townsend skrev: (21 juli 2020 13:31:45 CEST) > > > >> I've also been trying to add these (bot

Re: [Tagging] site relations for city walls?

2020-07-14 Thread Peter Elderson
Sure! I was just sidestepping about the parking lot example. Best, Peter Elderson Op di 14 jul. 2020 om 18:34 schreef Volker Schmidt : > Sorry to keep riding this horse, but many of my examples have areas, ways > and nodes as members, so they cannot be described by any kind of polygon.

Re: [Tagging] site relations for city walls?

2020-07-14 Thread Peter Elderson
to ways, borders to ways and other stuff you really should not do if you want to keep the map unbroken. Best, Peter Elderson Op di 14 jul. 2020 om 18:05 schreef Peter Elderson : > Just two outers is a regular use of multipolygon. > If the tags of two areas are the same, you can represe

Re: [Tagging] site relations for city walls?

2020-07-14 Thread Peter Elderson
of the multipolygon. Major renderers support this. One parking lot on two sides of a road is perfect for this method. Best, Peter Elderson Op di 14 jul. 2020 om 16:55 schreef Lionel Giard : > Wouldn't a multipolygon with just two outers solve that parking case? >> Best Peter Elderson >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Ground)

2020-07-13 Thread Peter Elderson
That's OSM in a nutshell. Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 13 jul. 2020 om 23:24 heeft Martin Koppenhoefer > het volgende geschreven: > >  > > sent from a phone > >> On 13. Jul 2020, at 23:16, Peter Elderson wrote: >> >> As I understand it, it is soil. Tha

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Ground)

2020-07-13 Thread Peter Elderson
As I understand it, it is soil. That is something. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op ma 13 jul. 2020 om 23:09 schreef Martin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com>: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 13. Jul 2020, at 22:36, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > > > The Ata

Re: [Tagging] site relations for city walls?

2020-07-13 Thread Peter Elderson
Wouldn't a multipolygon with just two outers solve that parking case? Best Peter Elderson Op ma 13 jul. 2020 om 21:02 schreef Lionel Giard : > I also saw it used for parking lot that are completely separated (like on > two sides of a big highway) but still part of the "sa

Re: [Tagging] network tag on route relations

2020-07-13 Thread Peter Elderson
Route=foot, route=hiking, route=bicycle, route=piste, route=inline_skates, route=canoe, route=horse. modality may be a wrong word? It's used in Nederland to mean transport mode, including walking. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op ma 13 jul. 2020 om 20:29 schreef Paul Johnson : > What is a recreatio

Re: [Tagging] network tag on route relations

2020-07-13 Thread Peter Elderson
around the world, for recreational routes of all scopes and modalities, even though countries have very different administration and maintenance systems from completely central to distributed and chaotic, and different for most modalities. Best, Peter Elderson Op ma 13 jul. 2020 om 18:51 schreef

Re: [Tagging] network tag on route relations

2020-07-13 Thread Peter Elderson
I can't see how that applies to recreational route networks in Europe. Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 13 jul. 2020 om 15:33 heeft Paul Johnson het > volgende geschreven: > >  > > >> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 1:04 AM Peter Elderson wrote: >> Sounds to me that th

Re: [Tagging] network tag on route relations

2020-07-13 Thread Peter Elderson
damage than good, even if it were possible. Just "consistency" is not worth it. Is there a more compellent reason? Vr gr Peter Elderson Op zo 12 jul. 2020 om 16:49 schreef Mike Thompson : > Hello, > > According to the wiki[0], it seems that the network tag has different >

Re: [Tagging] network tag on route relations

2020-07-13 Thread Peter Elderson
recreational routes onto the new consistent scheme without breaking current rendering and processing, if you can do it, let's talk again! Mvg Peter Elderson Op 13 jul. 2020 om 00:18 heeft Paul Johnson het volgende geschreven:  Disambiguation. US:FS:Hood and US:FS:Ozark are two different

Re: [Tagging] network tag on route relations

2020-07-12 Thread Peter Elderson
Maybe just tag network=nfn then? Can be applied in any country. Details see oprator and ref. How two distinguish two roads hundreds of miles away from each other? Hm... that is a hard question... Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 13 jul. 2020 om 00:33 heeft Clay Smalley het > volgende gesc

Re: [Tagging] network tag on route relations

2020-07-12 Thread Peter Elderson
ator or provider. Peter Elderson > Op 12 jul. 2020 om 23:41 heeft Mike Thompson het > volgende geschreven: > >  > > >> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 9:53 AM Peter Elderson wrote: >> Aren't Interstate and US evident from the geographic extent as well? > Yes, that is my

Re: [Tagging] network tag on route relations

2020-07-12 Thread Peter Elderson
to try though. Best, Peter Elderson Op zo 12 jul. 2020 om 21:04 schreef Martin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com>: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 12. Jul 2020, at 20:32, Mark Wagner wrote: > > > > The US has two national highway networks: > > >

Re: [Tagging] network tag on route relations

2020-07-12 Thread Peter Elderson
me. At all. Best, Peter Elderson Op zo 12 jul. 2020 om 16:49 schreef Mike Thompson : > Hello, > > According to the wiki[0], it seems that the network tag has different > meanings and possible values based upon if it is applied to a route > relation where route=road vs. route=bicyc

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - junction=intersection

2020-07-10 Thread Peter Elderson
, not by discovering all routes and turn restrictions are broken. Just a consideration, if it doesn't break anything it's fine. Best, Peter Elderson Op vr 10 jul. 2020 om 16:50 schreef Matthew Woehlke < mwoehlke.fl...@gmail.com>: > On 10/07/2020 10.36, Peter Elderson wrote: > > Question

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - junction=intersection

2020-07-10 Thread Peter Elderson
Question: does it break anything? I am thinking about existing relations of various kinds. Best, Peter Elderson Op vr 10 jul. 2020 om 16:17 schreef Matthew Woehlke < mwoehlke.fl...@gmail.com>: > As some of you may recall, I'm working on a project to do traffic > simulation with the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Ground)

2020-07-10 Thread Peter Elderson
that it is bare soil. All in all, I think natural=bare_soil is the best option, and that it fills an important gap in the mapping of Earth's surface. Question: How sure can you be from satellite imagery or aerial photography that an area is actually bare soil? Best, Peter Elderson Op vr 10 jul. 2020 om 15

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Ground)

2020-07-10 Thread Peter Elderson
Looks like humus is a component of soil. So I think soil covers it, being a top layer consisting of mixed organic and mineral matter. To me it is hard to imagine an area as permanently natural=bare_soil. Wouldn't there always be some kind of vegetation within a year? Best, Peter Elderson Op

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Ground)

2020-07-10 Thread Peter Elderson
Organic without any mineral, would you still call that soil? Vr gr Peter Elderson Op vr 10 jul. 2020 om 11:55 schreef Martin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com>: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 10. Jul 2020, at 11:39, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < > ta

Re: [Tagging] Name for new wiki pages about roles of members in route relations?

2020-06-26 Thread Peter Elderson
or example: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Tagging_scheme_for_hiking_and_foot_route_relations#Roles Best, Peter Elderson Op vr 26 jun. 2020 om 17:22 schreef Tobias Knerr : > On 25.06.20 19:46, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > Should individual pages for these roles be locate

Re: [Tagging] Name for new wiki pages about roles of members in route relations?

2020-06-26 Thread Peter Elderson
What would be a proper example page for this? The after-proposal-cleanup-procedure suggests the key:highway page, but that does not seem appropriate for a role set. Best, Peter Elderson Op vr 26 jun. 2020 om 13:25 schreef Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org>:

Re: [Tagging] Rail segment in a bike route

2020-06-24 Thread Peter Elderson
For the record, I think a transfer role is a generic solution for the issue raised here, applicable to the cable car transfer and other types of transfer in routes, but I will not propose a new role value any time soon. Anyone who wants to do it has my support, though. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op

Re: [Tagging] Are rowboats covered by "boat=*" or "canoe=*"?

2020-06-23 Thread Peter Elderson
Networks for canoes use network=lpn|rpn|npn|rpn where p stands for paddling. Hm, I fear that only complicates the matter... Vr gr Peter Elderson Op di 23 jun. 2020 om 14:05 schreef Niels Elgaard Larsen : > Joseph Eisenberg: > > The wiki page Key:boat <https://wiki.openstreet

Re: [Tagging] Rail segment in a bike route

2020-06-19 Thread Peter Elderson
This <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Recreational_route_relation_roles#Transfer> is the talk page section I wrote about a week ago, for future consideration. Fr gr Peter Elderson Op vr 19 jun. 2020 om 14:33 schreef Peter Elderson : > I think a bicycle

Re: [Tagging] Rail segment in a bike route

2020-06-19 Thread Peter Elderson
route relation, it should alway check the ways themselves for access, no matter what the route relation says. Fr gr Peter Elderson Op vr 19 jun. 2020 om 14:02 schreef Francesco Ansanelli : > Dear Volker and Peter, > > I agree with you both... > The question was born for a bike+trai

Re: [Tagging] Rail segment in a bike route

2020-06-18 Thread Peter Elderson
belong to a transfer section, all at the same time. A relation member cannot have the forward|backward role, but it could be both transfer and one of the approved basic role set. This complication can always be solved within a relation hierarchy, though. Best, Peter Elderson Op do 18 jun. 2020 om

[Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting result - Recreational Route Relation Roles

2020-06-17 Thread Peter Elderson
a textual clean-up and add links to relevant feature pages? Best, Peter Elderson ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] Compliments and thanks to the "iD people"!

2020-06-12 Thread Peter Elderson
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Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

2020-06-09 Thread Peter Elderson
-trodden path This is the path to the cliffs. It will be several days before snowploughs clear a path (through) to the village. They followed the path until they came to a gate. So this https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=51.9940387923=4.707510424794445=17=photo=pV1y2lcTNq-jB7xvJNONTQ cannot be

[Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Recreational route relation roles

2020-06-03 Thread Peter Elderson
for things to come. Best, Peter Elderson ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Recreational route relation roles

2020-06-01 Thread Peter Elderson
Thanks, I will have a go. Probably it's not that hard. Best, Peter Elderson Op ma 1 jun. 2020 om 11:49 schreef Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org>: > > > > Jun 1, 2020, 10:03 by pelder...@gmail.com: > > > Just a reminder: in a few days voting

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