Re: [Tagging] Parking fee only after some time period

2020-10-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wednesday, 21 October 2020, Andrew Harvey wrote: > On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 20:20, Philip Barnes wrote: > > > On Wed, 2020-10-21 at 20:04 +1100, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > > > > > > > On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 19:45, Robert Delmenico wrote: > > > >

Re: [Tagging] Parking fee only after some time period

2020-10-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2020-10-21 at 20:10 +1100, Andrew Harvey wrote: > On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 19:32, stevea > wrote: > > In California, a common (not quite frequent, certainly not always) > > arrangement at malls, supermarkets and other places with parking > > lots (large and small) is a sign that reads "you

Re: [Tagging] Parking fee only after some time period

2020-10-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2020-10-21 at 20:04 +1100, Andrew Harvey wrote: > On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 19:45, Robert Delmenico > wrote: > > Ballarat in Victoria has kerb side parking where the first hour is > > free. > > There is some more information available here: > > > >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (shop=direct marketing)

2020-10-05 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2020-10-04 at 15:44 +1000, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > > On Sun, 4 Oct 2020 at 09:32, Paul Allen wrote: > > However, if we count that as a farm shop then the term essentially > > becomes an alias of greengrocer. > > A greengrocer with a single supplier, but still a greengrocer. > >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (shop=direct marketing)

2020-10-05 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2020-10-05 at 01:53 +0100, Paul Allen wrote:On Mon, 5 Oct 2020 > Nope. ID thinks you guys speak mostly Merkin. Somebody will have > copied the Merkin language file for en_AU and maybe changed a few > things. > Changed > BBQ to Barbie, stuff like that. :) > I do remember that some years

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for board games themed pubs

2020-09-11 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2020-09-11 at 11:39 +0200, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > board_games=yes seems clearly superior > +1 A lot of pubs have board games available for customers to play, or they did in normal times. Themed implies that is the raison d'etre for the pubs existance and you would only

Re: [Tagging] tagging drinking water of uncleaer official (signed) status

2020-09-06 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2020-09-07 at 01:57 +0300, 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging wrote: > in the united states we say (portable) I suspect the US word is potable, same as GB. Phil (trigpoint) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] tagging for fairgrounds

2020-08-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2020-08-27 at 15:29 -0400, Richard Welty wrote: > On 8/27/20 12:35 PM, Paul Allen wrote: > > As is fair. Without further qualification, I'd interpret "fair" as > > a > > (temporary, mobile) funfair: an annual event with fairground rides, > > stalls, etc. I think American usage may tend

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -Funeral hall

2020-08-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2020-08-19 at 10:26 +0200, woll...@posteo.de wrote: > Funeral directors are a business, this is a public facility > (generally) > on a cemetery. A mortuary is for storing corpses, that's often > associated to this kind of ceremonial place, but not necessarily. > Looking around my local

Re: [Tagging] Tagging specialized head lice removal salons

2020-08-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2020-08-15 at 22:13 +0200, Lisbeth Salander wrote: > On Fri, 14 Aug 2020, Paul Allen > wrote: > > > > > > > Yeah, we try to avoid putting two top-level tags on the > > same object because > > of nasal demons: > >

Re: [Tagging] PTv2 public_transport=stop_position for stop positions that vary based on train length

2020-08-09 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2020-08-09 at 17:38 +0300, Alexey Zakharenkov wrote: > As a person who have been monitoring and fixing rapid transit > networks (primarity subways) for long I can say that railway > stop_positions make more headache than advantage. Most of > stop_positions look like here: >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - more parking types

2020-08-07 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2020-08-07 at 15:09 +0100, Jez Nicholson wrote: > I saw parking_space=takeaway riding on the coattails of the original > postis this not a waiting time restriction? Does it merit its own > value? Perhaps I'm against it because we don't AFAIK have these in > the UK? I am not 100% sure

Re: [Tagging] Apparent conflicting/redundant access tags

2020-08-06 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2020-08-05 at 13:58 -0700, Tod Fitch wrote: > My reading of the wiki [1] indicates that the more specific tag > overrides the less specific tag. And the transport mode section [2] > of that has examples very much like those in your question. > And: > access=yes > bicycle=no > > Means you

Re: [Tagging] kerb=regular vs. raised

2020-07-30 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2020-07-29 at 20:15 -0400, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 at 19:46, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > On 30. Jul 2020, at 00:03, Clifford Snow > > > wrote: > > > The wiki has a raised kerb as any kerb greater than 3cm in > > > height. Your definition of a regular kerb is

Re: [Tagging] kerb=regular vs. raised

2020-07-30 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2020-07-30 at 01:45 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > > > On 30. Jul 2020, at 00:03, Clifford Snow > > wrote: > > > > The wiki has a raised kerb as any kerb greater than 3cm in height. > > Your definition of a regular kerb is one greater than or equal to > > 10cm >

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-25 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2020-07-25 at 18:07 +0200, pangoSE wrote: > Fine by me to attach them to whatever. > I would not map them twice. > > Anyway I never met or heard about anyone who wanted to navigate to a > signpost. Usually people navigate to attractions like a lake or a > firepit or a viewpoint or simple

Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

2020-07-23 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2020-07-23 at 09:35 -0400, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > On 22/07/2020 19.05, bkil wrote: > > But also consider that it wouldn't make sense to tag a motorway as > > foot=no + bicycle=dismount (+ moped=dismount + mofa=dismount + > > auto_rickshaw=no + agricultural=no), because the combination of

Re: [Tagging] amenity=customer_service RFC

2020-07-23 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2020-07-23 at 14:06 +0200, Simon Poole wrote: > Wouldn't most, if not all, cases where this would be used already > be covered by the corresponding (and likely already in use) > shop=* > value? > > > It is also a confusing term to have chosen as prior to reading

Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

2020-07-22 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2020-07-22 at 11:32 +0200, bkil wrote: > I think the core idea behind such a restriction is that people only > want to go to that park for walking around (no cross-traffic), and > pushing the bike for half an hour doesn't make much sense and > allowing people to push bikes around would

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráre?, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-07-02 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2020-07-02 at 18:17 +, 德泉 談 via Tagging wrote: > 在 2020年7月2日 星期四 上午7:18 [GMT+8], Paul Allen< pla16...@gmail.com> 寫道: > > On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 23:59, Martin Koppenhoefer < > > dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 2. Jul 2020, at 00:44, Paul Allen wrote: > > > > > > > I cannot deny

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráre?, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-06-30 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 13:35 +0100, Philip Barnes wrote: > On Mon, 2020-06-29 at 12:52 +0100, Paul Allen wrote: > > On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 12:02, Jake Edmonds via Tagging < > > tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > > While it might be used in Paul’s area, McDonalds

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráre?, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-06-30 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 14:45 +0200, bkil wrote: > Yes, pretty much sounds like a cukrászda to me. ;-) > > Especially if they prepare their own desserts and if they take custom > orders (why shouldn't they if they already have a pastry cook?). > > Do they have waited tables? Do they serve alcohol?

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráre?, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-06-30 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2020-06-29 at 12:52 +0100, Paul Allen wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 12:02, Jake Edmonds via Tagging < > tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > While it might be used in Paul’s area, McDonalds is not a cafe > > where I am from, and would put money on most British people calling > > it a

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráre?, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-06-30 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2020-06-29 at 12:36 +0200, Gábor Fekete wrote: > In Hungary in every restaurant before you pay the bill, the waiter > asks if you want some dessert. She asks you, even if they only have > pancakes as dessert. So one could tag every "amenity=restaurant" with > "cuisine=*;dessert". But the

Re: [Tagging] 回覆﹕ Re: Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

2020-06-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2020-06-27 at 19:54 +0100, Cj Malone wrote: > On Sat, 2020-06-27 at 17:15 +0100, Paul Allen wrote: > > On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 at 17:03, 德泉 談 via Tagging > > wrote: > > > > > In previous discussion we haven’t clarify that “cafe” is a place > > > serving coffee drinks > > > or > > > a place

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

2020-06-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2020-06-27 at 09:48 -0500, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > On 6/27/20 09:33, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > I would be ok with fast food for bubble tea, although typically you > > say “food and drinks”, i.e. calling a place where you can get only > > things to drink and nothing to eat might seem a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

2020-06-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2020-06-27 at 16:33 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > sent from a phone > > > On 27. Jun 2020, at 16:03, Philip Barnes > > wrote: > > > > I would call that a takeaway in everyday language which we map as > > fast food in OSM. > >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

2020-06-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2020-06-26 at 19:53 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > FWIW, I also believe these are very different from shop=beverages, as > they are selling drinks ready to consume, while shop=beverages is a > kind of shop that sells beverages to take home (while nothing > prevents you from buying a

Re: [Tagging] Milk Churn Stands

2020-06-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2020-06-20 at 19:25 +0100, Paul Allen wrote: > On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 at 19:08, Martin Koppenhoefer < > dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On 20. Jun 2020, at 14:44, Paul Allen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > They should probably have disused=yes or a disused lifecycle > > > > > prefix

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - Qanat"

2020-06-20 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2020-06-20 at 15:42 +0200, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: > > And we already have plenty of those: > > Piste > Gabion > Kindergarten > chicane > kneipp_water_cure > bureau_de_change > aikido > krachtbal > boules > futsal > adit > gasometer > Bungalow Robot and sometimes British and

Re: [Tagging] Permanent ID/URI --- off topic email

2020-05-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2020-05-19 at 09:43 +0200, European Water Project wrote: > Dear All, > I am looking for a way to create permanent links to specific objects > (fountains and cafés) with images within our application ... and I > have a couple of questions. > > How quickly do OSM node and ways numbers

Re: [Tagging] Meaning of "administrative" in boundary=administrative, in your country?

2020-05-14 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2020-05-14 at 12:15 +0100, Paul Allen wrote: > On Thu, 14 May 2020 at 11:21, Colin Smale > wrote: > > [Sub-divisions of health boards in Wales] > > > I am sure someone knows where the boundaries are. > > Yes, But that doesn't mean they're making the information public. I > had a >

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-12 Thread Philip Barnes
On 11/05/2020 10:29, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: On 5/10/20 7:36 PM, Cj Malone wrote: I think I stand by that quote, but I'm happy to discus it. I'm not arguing that over night we should stop people using the phone tag. Currently phone has at least 2 uses. A contact number and an incoming number for

Re: [Tagging] Is there any tagging scheme for carillons already?

2020-05-06 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2020-05-06 at 14:03 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > > > On 6. May 2020, at 13:14, lukas-...@web.de wrote: > > > > In the wiki I found bell_tower=* (but without a carillon-specific > > value) and I think a carillon does not have to be a bell_tower at > > all, so

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-04 Thread Philip Barnes
On Monday, 4 May 2020, Paul Allen wrote: > On Mon, 4 May 2020 at 21:59, Marc M. wrote: > > > > > - avoid having 2 tags for the same thing. > > it's bad for both contributors and data-uses. > > > > Except we don't all agree that they are for the same thing, not even phone > and contact:phone

Re: [Tagging] How to tag way with two traffic signs affecting different directions?

2020-05-02 Thread Philip Barnes
Hi AntónioNormally I would add direction:forward or direction:backward to a stop or give_way to indicate which direction it applies in. Where speed limits are different you can use maxspeed:backward and maxspeed:forward. Phil (trigpoint) On Sat, 2020-05-02 at 15:16 -0300, António Madeira wrote: >

Re: [Tagging] highway=service, service=driveway vs highway=track

2020-05-01 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2020-04-30 at 13:52 -0600, Mike Thompson wrote: > On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 1:28 PM ael wrote: > > > I would not be comfortable tagging very rough tracks as anything > > but a track: > > if it requires a 4 wheel drive or agricultural vehicle to > > negotiate. > > I think a "road" normally

Re: [Tagging] Implied default access tags for barrier=stile?

2020-04-26 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sunday, 26 April 2020, s8evq wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Are any default access tags implied with barrier=stile? > Similar to barrier=bollard > (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dbollard mentions > "By default access=no, foot=yes, and bicycle=yes is implied") > > If it's on

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-03-15 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2020-03-15 at 12:42 -0400, Jmapb via Tagging wrote: > On 3/15/2020 6:18 AM, Markus Peloso > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/give_box > > > > A small

Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

2020-02-26 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wednesday, 26 February 2020, Marc Gemis wrote: > What about music festivals? I live close to the area that hosts one of > the biggest festivals in the world: Tomorrowland. [1] > The festival takes place in a former quarry, which is a park for the > rest of the year, although it hosts some

Re: [Tagging] URL tracking parameters

2020-02-25 Thread Philip Barnes
I have commented on a recent edit near me asking both questions and pointing out the url they should use. Phil (trigpoint) On Tuesday, 25 February 2020, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 25.02.20 11:01, Philip Barnes wrote: > > Another issue I have with Hilton Hotels is all

Re: [Tagging] URL tracking parameters

2020-02-25 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tuesday, 25 February 2020, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 25.02.20 04:36, Jonathon Rossi wrote: > > Ignoring they've just added an incorrect "website:" key when there is > > already a "website" one, Hilton Hotels appear to be adding URLs with > > WT.mc_id parameters to all their web site

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - in-kind_donation

2020-02-19 Thread Philip Barnes
"in-kind" donation income for tax purposes, but > that's not how an oridinary British person would talk about donating > some used books or toys, right? In kind is not the phrase we would use, we would call it a donation. Phil (trigpoint) > > Joseph Eisenberg > >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - in-kind_donation

2020-02-19 Thread Philip Barnes
Hi Joseph In British English the phrase has the same meaning as you describe. The most common usage is in taxation terms when an employee receives a benefit that is not money. Examples can be a cars, housing. My reaction to this proposal was the same as yours, they are describing a charity

Re: [Tagging] Unremovable bollards

2020-02-17 Thread Philip Barnes
Often used to make residential streets into deadends to prevent rat-running, to enforce vehicle bans, to prevent delivery vehicles parking on the sidewalk instead of the delivery bay. In most cases bollards are fixed, there is usually only one or two removable bollards to create a gap wide

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - in-kind_donation

2020-02-16 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2020-02-16 at 13:21 +, Steve Doerr wrote: > On 15/02/2020 16:56, Markus Peloso > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/in-kind_donation > > > > For > >

Re: [Tagging] implied surface values?

2020-02-12 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wednesday, 12 February 2020, ael wrote: > On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 07:15:42PM +0100, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> In the UK too paved is implied, I have never used paved. Surface tags > > >> such as asphalt, setts, concrete add the detail of what sort of paved. >

Re: [Tagging] implied surface values?

2020-02-12 Thread Philip Barnes
e tags such as asphalt, setts, concrete add the detail of what sort of paved. Phil (trigpoint) > > On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 at 17:14, Philip Barnes wrote: > > > > > > > On Tuesday, 11 February 2020, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > > Do we have any agreed implied surfa

Re: [Tagging] implied surface values?

2020-02-11 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tuesday, 11 February 2020, Volker Schmidt wrote: > Do we have any agreed implied surface values for the different street > categories ? per country? > > I noticed this phrase > "in many cases this is implied by the way itself (for highway=trunk to > highway=residential, paved is implied) " >

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.25.0

2020-02-05 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wednesday, 5 February 2020, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > Il giorno 5 feb 2020, alle ore 16:11, Paul Allen ha > > scritto: > > > > 4) Where the only tags are barrier=hedge + area=yes then render > > as before, > > > +1, any object with area=yes should be

Re: [Tagging] amenity=faculty?

2020-02-04 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tuesday, 4 February 2020, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > Universities may have faculties, that often deserved to be mapped separately. > > For example university may take a large area, possibly disjointed area across > the city > but Faculty of dentistry, Faculty of forestry, Faculty

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - drinking_water:refill_scheme

2020-01-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Monday, 27 January 2020, Thibault Molleman wrote: > " A restaurant where the server fills up your bottle based on his or her > humor should not be tagged as part of the refill scheme. " > Maybe add a line to clarify that the sign requirement is specifically > regarding schemes. A place

Re: [Tagging] All European Union countries use E5/E10/B7 instead of gasoline 98/95, Diesel 10S respectively

2020-01-25 Thread Philip Barnes
On Saturday, 25 January 2020, Thibault Molleman wrote: > Hi, > > Back in 2018 all countries in the European Union were forced to switch > their naming scheme for fuels at gas stations to the new E5/E10/B7 scheme > (referring to the amount of bio-ethanol in the fuel. > > Sources: >

Re: [Tagging] All European Union countries use E5/E10/B7 instead of gasoline 98/95, Diesel 10S respectively

2020-01-25 Thread Philip Barnes
On Saturday, 25 January 2020, Thibault Molleman wrote: > Hi, > > Back in 2018 all countries in the European Union were forced to switch > their naming scheme for fuels at gas stations to the new E5/E10/B7 scheme > (referring to the amount of bio-ethanol in the fuel. > > Sources: >

Re: [Tagging] RFC free_water

2020-01-22 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wednesday, 22 January 2020, European Water Project wrote: > Hi Paul et. al, > > I would also be very supportive of this straightforward approach which > would address many of the concerns regarding an over complicated tagging > scheme covering cases that are often mandated by local

Re: [Tagging] RFC free_water

2020-01-22 Thread Philip Barnes
I would tend to agree with Frederik. In GB (1) all licensed premises (2) must offer free tap water to customers. This covers all pubs and bars, most restaurants and some cafe. The mappers time would be far more efficiently spent adding a tag to indicate which restaurants and cafes are

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tax free shopping

2020-01-17 Thread Philip Barnes
On Friday, 17 January 2020, Hauke Stieler wrote: > > A shop at an airport where travelers generally pay no taxes would be > tagged with "duty_free=yes" and optionally with "duty_free:refund=no". > Not totally accurate, in my experience. At airport duty free shops you have to show your

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tax free shopping

2020-01-16 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thursday, 16 January 2020, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > I would consider explicit mention that typical shop should not be tagged with > duty_free=no (only in cases where shop used to be or can be expected to be > duty free, > for example in an airport it potentially makes sense to use that

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-15 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wednesday, 15 January 2020, marc marc wrote: > Le 15.01.20 à 16:15, Jmapb via Tagging a écrit : > > On 1/15/2020 12:55 AM, European Water Project wrote: > >> Would it be appropriate to use the tag "seasonal" for a water fountain > >> (whether tagged as "amenity=drinking_water" or "amenity =

Re: [Tagging] distance_from_road tag

2020-01-15 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wednesday, 15 January 2020, Colin Smale wrote: > On 2020-01-15 13:52, Lionel Giard wrote: > > > Yes this is something you can do with any distance algorithm in available > > in any GIS tool. That's not something that i would ever map as it would > > vary with any geometry change of the

Re: [Tagging] How to tag oneway restriction applying to pedestrians?

2020-01-14 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tuesday, 14 January 2020, Paul Allen wrote: > On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 at 14:35, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > Mine goes like this: leading the list is the completely meaningless (and I > > guess most will agree with this judgement) oneway:foot=no > > > > It's not meaningless at all. It

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars,

2020-01-13 Thread Philip Barnes
In GB it is the law that licensed premises provide free drinking water. So that , means all pubs, most restaurants and some cafes. Phil (trigpoint) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] surface=block_paved, or surface=paved + paving=block

2020-01-08 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2020-01-09 at 07:15 +0900, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > The picture shows clay bricks being laid as paving for a service > road, in a herringbone pattern. > > Perhaps this should be surface=brick/bricks? Both are used a few > thousand times. > That is definitely block paving, not bricks.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tax free shopping

2020-01-04 Thread Philip Barnes
On Saturday, 4 January 2020, Hauke Stieler wrote: > Hi, > > > I don't think it can be phrased that way. As for the VAT in the EU, > > everybody who proves that the goods were exported is eligible for a tax > > refund. > > you're right, maybe saying that "this shop does not offer any service >

Re: [Tagging] Vegan "cheese" shops

2019-12-18 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wednesday, 18 December 2019, marc marc wrote: > Le 18.12.19 à 17:24, Philip Barnes a écrit : > > On Wednesday, 18 December 2019, marc marc wrote: > >> Le 18.12.19 à 16:58, Robert Skedgell a écrit : > >>> I think creating shop=vegan_cheese might be excess

Re: [Tagging] Vegan "cheese" shops

2019-12-18 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wednesday, 18 December 2019, marc marc wrote: > Le 18.12.19 à 16:58, Robert Skedgell a écrit : > > I think creating shop=vegan_cheese might be excessively specialised. > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6776593885 > > ho yes, please don't create a new shop=* only to describe that > the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - park_drive

2019-12-07 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2019-12-05 at 14:46 +0100, Martin Scholtes wrote: > Am 05.12.2019 um 12:41 schrieb Sören Reinecke via Tagging: > > > Allows the tag the mapping of carpool meeting points? > The proposal aims at marking parking places where one could meet to > carpool or which explicitly provide for

Re: [Tagging] Route node roles - was Re: Feature Proposal - RFC - hiking_trail_relation_roles

2019-12-07 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2019-12-07 at 12:28 -0500, Jmapb wrote: > On 12/7/2019 11:52 AM, s8evq wrote: > > On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 10:30:37 +1100, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > For nodes .. think the roles of ways should be done first, but > > > some > > > thoughts for later proposal/s. > > > > > >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - park_drive

2019-12-06 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thursday, 5 December 2019, Paul Allen wrote: > On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 at 10:10, Martin Scholtes > wrote: > > > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/park_drive > > Definition: Information that can be taken on this parking lot to form a > > carpool. > > > > I would prefer the

Re: [Tagging] Business which sells static caravans / mobile homes: shop=mobile_home or shop=static_caravan?

2019-11-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2019-11-19 at 18:04 +0100, Andy Townsend wrote: > On 19/11/2019 11:03, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > A search of "static caravans" and "for sale" finds many > > previously-owned static caravans but does not show results for a > > specialty retailer of these residential caravans. > > The

Re: [Tagging] Business which sells static caravans / mobile homes: shop=mobile_home or shop=static_caravan?

2019-11-19 Thread Philip Barnes
A static caravan is very movable, providing you have a hgv and the necessary equipment to lift it. Phil (trigpoint) On Tuesday, 19 November 2019, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am Di., 19. Nov. 2019 um 05:53 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < > joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > > > Rather this is a

Re: [Tagging] Business which sells static caravans / mobile homes: shop=mobile_home or shop=static_caravan?

2019-11-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tuesday, 19 November 2019, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > I looked back at that discussion but it seems to be about > RVs/caravans/motor homes/camper trailers. > > I'm not asking about shops that sell "motor homes" or "RVs" or "5th > wheels" or "camper trailers" or "caravans" or "camper vans". I

Re: [Tagging] shop selling trucks

2019-11-18 Thread Philip Barnes
Maybe to reflect driving licence requirements? Only those with relatively recent licenses need a special license to drive a vehicle between 3.5 and 7.5t. Many of us can drive a 7.5t vehicle on a car license. Phil (trigpoint) On Monday, 18 November 2019, Volker Schmidt wrote: > Wikipedia

Re: [Tagging] shop selling trucks

2019-11-16 Thread Philip Barnes
Lorry has largely fallen out of use, truck is the more used word in British English nowadays. Phil (trigpoint) On Saturday, 16 November 2019, Max wrote: > Given that OSM language is British it probably should be "lorry" not > "truck". > > > On 16.11.19 18:21, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >

Re: [Tagging] shop=ice_cream vs amenity=ice_cream and OSM Wiki vs tagging

2019-11-12 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2019-11-12 at 18:04 +0100, Markus wrote: > > I wouldn't look for a café if i were hungry. Instead i would look for > a restaurant, pub or fast food booth. > > In mainland Europe i expect from a café that i can drink a coffee > there and maybe have a sweet snack. While some also serve

Re: [Tagging] shop=ice_cream vs amenity=ice_cream and OSM Wiki vs tagging

2019-11-10 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2019-11-10 at 17:20 +, Paul Allen wrote: > "Take home" and "take away" share an important property: "not for > consumption on > the premises." Whether you take the stuff home or take it off the > premises and > consume it nearby, you are not consuming it on the premises. > > Try a

Re: [Tagging] shop=ice_cream vs amenity=ice_cream and OSM Wiki vs tagging

2019-11-10 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2019-11-10 at 15:57 +, Paul Allen wrote: > On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 at 15:30, Philip Barnes > wrote: > > > I have never come across somewhere only selling Ice-cream to take > > home. > > Me neither. But that's a bit of a false dichotomy. It isn't just >

Re: [Tagging] shop=ice_cream vs amenity=ice_cream and OSM Wiki vs tagging

2019-11-10 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2019-11-10 at 15:56 +0100, Markus wrote: > Strangely enough, the page > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dice_cream > > says that shop=ice_cream is "for places selling ice cream to take > home", but shows an image of an ice cream parlour. > > Are there really shops that

Re: [Tagging] emergency=ambulance_station vs amenity=fire_station

2019-11-10 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2019-11-10 at 14:14 +0100, Jan Michel wrote: > On 10.11.19 13:51, Dave F via Tagging wrote: > > Hi > > > > Simple question (which I presume has been previously discussed) : > > > > Why the different key tags to describe what are essentially > > synonymous > > entities? > > One of them

Re: [Tagging] the nature of large-scale paid edits (was Re: Service road)

2019-11-08 Thread Philip Barnes
On Friday, 8 November 2019, Warin wrote: > > There is simply too much other stuff to do that be worried by every > driveway. So I only map them where they are of some interest to other > than the resident. > This has been mine, and many other OSM mappers view up until recently. However home

Re: [Tagging] Supermarket pick-up service

2019-11-08 Thread Philip Barnes
Its not a shop, you don't buy anything there. Maybe supermarket=customer_collect or customer_pickup. Collect fits my British English ears better than pickup, that means something a bit different. One supermarket uses the marketing term Click and Collect. They are covered, so the customer can

Re: [Tagging] Service road - Can it be a driveway if serving multiple houses?

2019-11-05 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2019-11-05 at 09:41 -0700, brad wrote: > I live in a single family home with a shared driveway. The next > door > neighbor house is 7 meters from my house. The driveway is about 10 > meters shared, then it splits, about 10 meters to each garage.If > it > were mapped, I think it

Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

2019-11-05 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tuesday, 5 November 2019, Dave F via Tagging wrote: > > > On 05/11/2019 13:11, Andy Townsend wrote: > > > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/65663472 (Meir Tunnel, dry even on a > > wet Wednesday in Stoke*) bans foot and bicycle traffic, so you can > > neither walk nor cycle through it. A

Re: [Tagging] Service road - Can it be a driveway if serving multiple houses?

2019-11-05 Thread Philip Barnes
Sections of shared, non-public service road, are certainly a common feature of modern housing developments. I have considered them to be private driveways. Private does not require a sign, walk down any suburban street in Europe or North America and you will see hundreds of driveways, without

Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

2019-11-05 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tuesday, 5 November 2019, Andy Townsend wrote: > On 05/11/2019 13:00, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > I just created https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bicycle%3Ddismount > > to document why it is used and why it is anyway duplicate of bicycle=no. > > > > On the page I claim that > > "In

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating mini_roundabout

2019-10-23 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wednesday, 23 October 2019, Florian Lohoff wrote: > On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 12:42:27PM +0000, Philip Barnes wrote: > > It is not just a British thing, I have encountered many when driving in > > France. > > The rules and usage are the same as in the UK. > > The

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating mini_roundabout

2019-10-23 Thread Philip Barnes
It is not just a British thing, I have encountered many when driving in France. The rules and usage are the same as in the UK. The other rule that makes them different to other roundabouts is that you should not use them to turn around, do U turns. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Sailfish

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating mini_roundabout

2019-10-23 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wednesday, 23 October 2019, Florian Lohoff wrote: > On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 09:24:30AM +0000, Philip Barnes wrote: > > On Wednesday, 23 October 2019, Jez Nicholson wrote: > > > So, for those who like definitions: In the UK, a "mini roundabout" is > > > sim

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating mini_roundabout

2019-10-23 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wednesday, 23 October 2019, Jez Nicholson wrote: > So, for those who like definitions: In the UK, a "mini roundabout" is > simply a small roundabout that is either flush to the road or slightly > raised so that large/long vehicles are able drive over it if they need to. > If it has anything on

Re: [Tagging] Hunting stands, bird and wildlife hides

2019-10-22 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tuesday, 22 October 2019, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > You may need to look at the context, or ask local people. > > For example many named peaks, streams, saddles have no explicit sign - > you need to ask local people or base it on your own knowledge. > Or use out of copyright mapping. Phil

Re: [Tagging] Amenity=Gambling & adult_gaming_center tagging conflict

2019-10-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Monday, 21 October 2019, John Willis via Tagging wrote: > > > > On Oct 22, 2019, at 3:11 AM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > > > > leisure=amusement_arcade ? > > This is between =gambling and =adult_gaming_center, two established tags that > both claim to be the proper way to map a Pachinko

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pedestrian lanes?

2019-10-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Monday, 21 October 2019, Paul Allen wrote: > On Mon, 21 Oct 2019 at 08:23, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > > > while I am not, I’m pretty sure the British term is pavement, not sidewalk > > > > Yes. It's as idiotic as us Brits calling underpants "pants" because the > sidewalk is paved

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (phone)

2019-10-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Monday, 21 October 2019, Warin wrote: > On 21/10/19 09:52, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > I'm in favor of deprecating contact:phone now (and the other > > contact:XXX duplicates later), but I don't know about your other > > proposed changes. > > > > For example, requiring the country code in all

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sunbathing

2019-10-17 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2019-10-17 at 11:03 +0100, Paul Allen wrote: > On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 at 10:46, Vɑdɪm wrote: > > I think it's no more vague than some many other tags in OSM. > > > > > > > > For example have a look at > > > > > > > > leisure=fishing > > For most rivers in the UK, there are

Re: [Tagging] Divided highways, and not so divided highways, one way or two

2019-10-11 Thread Philip Barnes
Not just the driver. Routing software can be used to determine which vehicle can give the quickest response. Phil (trigpoint) On Friday, 11 October 2019, Snusmumriken wrote: > On Fri, 2019-10-11 at 10:57 +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > > > > > > > 11 Oct 2019, 10:50 by

Re: [Tagging] Divided highways, and not so divided highways, one way or two

2019-10-11 Thread Philip Barnes
On Friday, 11 October 2019, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am Fr., 11. Okt. 2019 um 10:26 Uhr schrieb Snusmumriken < > snusmumriken.map...@runbox.com>: > > > > > A level strip of grass can be crossed by any car. With a big SUV you > > can cross curbs and so on. It's just a questions about how big

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Phone)

2019-10-09 Thread Philip Barnes
We also map the phone number of phoneboxes using phone=. We do not generally contact phoneboxes. Phil (trigpoint) On Tuesday, 8 October 2019, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 8. Oct 2019, at 15:40, Colin Smale via Tagging > > wrote: > > > > In that case it makes

Re: [Tagging] Colby's "Instructions for the Interior Survey of Ireland" (Was: Strange tags)

2019-09-30 Thread Philip Barnes
On Monday, 30 September 2019, Paul Allen wrote: > On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 at 12:41, Andrew Davidson wrote: > > > On 30/9/19 9:24 pm, Paul Allen wrote: > > > > > > I can't remember where I saw it, or even what I was looking for that led > > > me there. > > > > It in many places but this one will do:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - footway=indoor

2019-09-26 Thread Philip Barnes
Well indoors they become stairs. True at least in the parts of England/Wales I am from. I believe usage is different in Scotland. Phil (trigpoint) On Thursday, 26 September 2019, Markus wrote: > BTW, i find it very strange that there is a separte highway=* tag for > indoor "flat ways" (i.e.

Re: [Tagging] Was there every a proposal for the disused:key=* / abandoned:key=* lifecycle prefixes?

2019-09-26 Thread Philip Barnes
I can think of at least two pubs in my stamping ground within The Shire which I have never set foot in as they closed before I moved there eight years ago. Both still look like pubs and display their name and look like pubs from a distance. Set to disused:amenity=pub.

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