Re: [Tagging] Animal trails

2020-11-30 Thread Tod Fitch
Maybe animal_path=yes|cow|deer|... Where the values cover the various animals that create paths visible on imagery. -- Sent from my phone, please forgive my brevity. > On Monday, Nov 30, 2020 at 1:15 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick (mailto:graemefi...@gmail.com)> wrote: > > > > On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 at

Re: [Tagging] Power line going underground

2020-11-09 Thread Tod Fitch
> Kind regards, > Hidde > > > > On 09-11-2020 18:40, Tod Fitch wrote: >> There are a number of places where an above ground power line transitions to >> below ground. I am not equipped to guess where the line runs once it goes >> below ground so I stop mapp

[Tagging] Power line going underground

2020-11-09 Thread Tod Fitch
There are a number of places where an above ground power line transitions to below ground. I am not equipped to guess where the line runs once it goes below ground so I stop mapping at the last power pole. However the validation in JOSM flags this with a warning and I hate warnings on my

Re: [Tagging] Tagging from fire_service_areas - landuse:emergency

2020-10-28 Thread Tod Fitch
Sounds line what are signed as “fire lanes” in the United States. -- Sent from my phone, please forgive my brevity. > On Tuesday, Oct 27, 2020 at 6:59 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick > mailto:graemefi...@gmail.com)> wrote: > > > On Wed, 28 Oct 2020 at 09:43, Supaplex (mailto:supap...@riseup.net)>

Re: [Tagging] automated edits seem to remove crossing=zebra drastically

2020-09-17 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Sep 17, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > > On 17/09/2020 10.07, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: >> On 9/17/20 08:15, Matthew Woehlke wrote: >>> It's also atrocious because it can *only* be verified by survey. As >>> much as we prefer surveys, the reality is that a lot of mapping >>>

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-18 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Aug 18, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > > > Maybe we should use a different character to indicate a range, such as a > slash? > In the United States it is not too uncommon for infill housing in urban areas to have fractional street numbers. So you can see addresses like “123

Re: [Tagging] Waterway equivalent of noexit=yes?

2020-08-14 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Aug 14, 2020, at 6:23 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 at 00:57, Paul Allen > wrote: > > I'm not saying that OS is right to make those distinctions. I'm not saying > we should automatically do what they do. But I do think we ought to

Re: [Tagging] Waterway equivalent of noexit=yes?

2020-08-12 Thread Tod Fitch
r other open cave entrance, often found in limestone > (karst) geology areas. > > -- Joseph Eisenberg > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 9:52 AM Paul Allen <mailto:pla16...@gmail.com>> wrote: > On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 17:07, Tod Fitch <mailto:t...@fitchfamily.org>>

Re: [Tagging] Waterway equivalent of noexit=yes?

2020-08-12 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Aug 12, 2020, at 4:49 AM, Paul Allen wrote: > > On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 at 19:19, Tod Fitch <mailto:t...@fitchfamily.org>> wrote: > > It occurred to me that the area where water flow disappears is indeterminate > [1], thus the problem mapping it. >

Re: [Tagging] Waterway equivalent of noexit=yes?

2020-08-11 Thread Tod Fitch
be useful in cases other than an ephemeral water way in the desert though I haven’t thought of one yet. Cheers! Tod [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/indeterminate [2] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/peter%20out > On Aug 3, 2020, at 1:18 PM, Tod Fitch wrote: > > S

Re: [Tagging] Apparent conflicting/redundant access tags

2020-08-05 Thread Tod Fitch
My reading of the wiki [1] indicates that the more specific tag overrides the less specific tag. And the transport mode section [2] of that has examples very much like those in your question. So: access=no foot=yes Means that all access other than foot is prohibited. And: access=yes

Re: [Tagging] Waterway equivalent of noexit=yes?

2020-08-03 Thread Tod Fitch
I’ve yet to find a term or tag name that I like for the case where the water disappears from the surface in a desert environment. One issue is the location will vary depending on how big the storm was (or perhaps for a seasonal stream how wet the preceding wet season was). So it might be a tag

Re: [Tagging] Waterway equivalent of noexit=yes?

2020-08-03 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Jul 22, 2020, at 10:24 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > Am Mi., 22. Juli 2020 um 17:27 Uhr schrieb Tod Fitch <mailto:t...@fitchfamily.org>>: > It certainly would not be my pick of terms, but it seems manhole=drain has an > appropriate definition in

Re: [Tagging] Ahkwesáhsne, a territory of the Kanien'kehá:ka Nation of the Haudenosaunee Confederacy Was:Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

2020-08-02 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Aug 1, 2020, at 7:45 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Slightly OT question here, please. > > I remember reading a US press article ~12 months ago (may have even been > mentioned on here in discussions at the time re = aboriginal_land?) to the > effect that the US Supreme Court was

Re: [Tagging] addr:street for routes

2020-07-31 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Jul 31, 2020, at 12:45 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > So keep State Highway 214 in addr:street=* values, but that doesn't stop > noname=yes and ref=NY 214 being the correct values for the way itself. > Which will, as I have found by experience, result in OSM QA tools flagging you as the

Re: [Tagging] Orange County, California Building and Address Import

2020-07-28 Thread Tod Fitch
and making the announcement here. —Tod > On Jul 28, 2020, at 12:11 PM, Alan Mackie wrote: > > I thought the thing ESRI recently announced was basically additional layers > within RapiD, but I may be conflating two separate things. > > On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 at 15:53, To

Re: [Tagging] Orange County, California Building and Address Import

2020-07-28 Thread Tod Fitch
Oops. Sent to wrong email list. Should have been imports. Please disregard. —Tod > On Jul 28, 2020, at 7:52 AM, Tod Fitch wrote: signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org ht

[Tagging] Orange County, California Building and Address Import

2020-07-28 Thread Tod Fitch
it. So, do I continue with my import plan with the next step being creating a new wiki page for it? Or do I wait for ERSI to do an import then verify the quality? I don’t see a way to participate with ERSI listed in the import wiki page they’ve created. Thanks for the guidance! Tod Fitch [1

Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

2020-07-22 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Jul 22, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Jmapb wrote: > > If this unfortunate tagging practice really needs to be preserved (the idea > of retagging so many bicycle=no ways is certainly daunting) then I'd suggest > a new key, dismounted_bicycle=*, which will function as a regulation key > (like

Re: [Tagging] Waterway equivalent of noexit=yes?

2020-07-22 Thread Tod Fitch
It certainly would not be my pick of terms, but it seems manhole=drain has an appropriate definition in the wiki [1] and considerable use [2] for a place that water disappears into a man made structure. Most of them around here are not circular and many appear to be too small for a person to

Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

2020-07-22 Thread Tod Fitch
This thread has been quite amazing to me. My impression is that it starts with some routers (a.k.a data consumers, a.k.a. “renderers”) treating a “no” as a “maybe” and now people are looking for a new term to indicate that “we really, really, mean NO!”. This is worse than tagging for the

Re: [Tagging] Waterway equivalent of noexit=yes?

2020-07-18 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Jul 18, 2020, at 12:24 PM, Andy Townsend wrote: > > On 18/07/2020 19:41, Alan Mackie wrote: >> >> >> On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 at 19:09, Paul Allen wrote: >> On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 at 18:53, Tod Fitch wrote: >> >> What I’d like is one or two

[Tagging] Waterway equivalent of noexit=yes?

2020-07-18 Thread Tod Fitch
During this period of “social distancing” I’ve been trying to work down the number of errors that tools like Osmose have reported about my editing. I am getting close to starting on the warnings about waterways not connecting properly. There are a couple of situations that I’ve mapped that I

Re: [Tagging] How to tag minor commercial roads?

2020-07-16 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Jul 16, 2020, at 10:22 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 12:17 PM Matthew Woehlke > wrote: > I'm wondering what, if anything, I should do with > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/351516889 > .

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - junction=intersection

2020-07-10 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Jul 10, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > > On 10/07/2020 11.24, Peter Elderson wrote: >> Well, if you do a couple of intersections it's no big deal, but if every >> intersection would need this and it breaks relations, no matter whose fault >> it is, it is a problem. Then it's

Re: [Tagging] QA Tag for addr:city vs al8/al9 boundary

2020-06-30 Thread Tod Fitch
Simon is being much more polite and succinct than my first reaction. Checking the addr:city against the enclosing administrative boundary will not work well in the areas I am familiar with. Let me give some examples from the western United States: • The “town” I lived in growing up was Tucson,

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - Qanat"

2020-06-21 Thread Tod Fitch
A few questions: 1. What is the “elevation” tag supposed to mean? It is not in the wiki and the use count is pretty small [1]. 2. Why level=-3? I seems like that would be dependent on what other underground features were being mapped. 3. Why status=abandoned | active? Wouldn’t the lifecycle

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

2020-06-10 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 12:19 PM, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > Jun 10, 2020, 19:40 by t...@fitchfamily.org : > > >> On Jun 10, 2020, at 12:31 AM, Volker Schmidt > > wrote: >> >> Two points to get this thread back on track:

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

2020-06-10 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 12:31 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > Two points to get this thread back on track: > > 1) The highway=track tag has always been wider than agriculture and forestry. > There is an often overlooked "etc." in the description on the wiki, and it > has been there from the

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

2020-06-10 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Jun 9, 2020, at 5:29 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > > > I don't use 'path' very much except that JOSM wants to use it for > 'combined foot- and cycleway'. Using JOSM, I'll typically tag a way > as a 'path' so that I get the dialog where I can quickly fill in > surface, smoothness, maybe

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

2020-06-09 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Jun 9, 2020, at 2:22 PM, Mike Thompson wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 3:02 PM brad > wrote: > A track does have a different function, it can handle a 2 track vehicle, a > path can't. > Yes, a "track" has a different function, its function is for

Re: [Tagging] Adding man_made=spoil_heap to the Map Features page?

2020-06-03 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Jun 3, 2020, at 5:45 PM, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > > On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 at 20:40, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > (about Map Features wiki page) >> In its current state it is still barely usable. > > Personally I've given up on the current Map Features page and would > rather

Re: [Tagging] Adding man_made=spoil_heap to the Map Features page?

2020-06-03 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Jun 3, 2020, at 4:19 PM, Paul Allen wrote: > > On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 at 23:56, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > The one issue is whether it is clearly different than landuse=landfill. > > Different. > > Spoil heaps are, as the Wikipedia article documents,

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing, importance of trails in OSM

2020-06-02 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Jun 2, 2020, at 5:48 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > > > On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 at 09:04, Daniel Westergren > wrote: > I think the reason that this is so messed up because of the desire to tag > according to function. A trail/path can have many users/functions, but

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing, importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-30 Thread Tod Fitch
> On May 30, 2020, at 4:20 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Something else that I've just thought about & not sure whether it would need > to be mentioned - possibility of encountering dangerous wildlife? > > Yes, there are 1000 things in the Australian bush that'll kill you :-), but >

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing, importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-30 Thread Tod Fitch
> On May 30, 2020, at 7:57 AM, Rob Savoye wrote: > >> Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 15:46:31 +0200 >> From: Daniel Westergren > >> *An additional issue:* >> 6. sac_scale is currently the only tag (possibly together with mtb:scale) >> to denote the difficulty of a hiking trail (that is, the way, not

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-30 Thread Tod Fitch
> On May 30, 2020, at 6:46 AM, Daniel Westergren wrote: > > Ok, I hope this will be my final post in this long thread. I will try to > summarize what I understand from the discussion as the main issuesa and what > needs to be addressed to make it easier for mappers and data consumers. > > I

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-27 Thread Tod Fitch
> On May 27, 2020, at 6:42 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > This does not describe the situation > highway=footway is "urban", implies foot=designated, usage can be expanded > with tags like bicycle=yes|permisive||designated to describe mid-use ways > > highway=cycleway implies bicycle=designated,

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-27 Thread Tod Fitch
> On May 26, 2020, at 9:18 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > For me highway=footway and highway=path without any other tags are the same > thing. Introducing yet another tag for similar paths/footways may lead to > more confused tagging of these things. > I think the use of sub

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-26 Thread Tod Fitch
> On May 26, 2020, at 12:37 PM, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > May 26, 2020, 20:50 by bradha...@fastmail.com: > Yes! We have an overload of tags for trails, many poorly defined, many > rarely used. KISS - keep it simple stupid. I think it would help if we > narrowed the

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-23 Thread Tod Fitch
Being a Sierra Club member in California, it seems to me that the Yosemite Decimal System (YDS) [1], originally created by the Sierra Club is made to order for this. Classes 1 through 3 are basically hiking, 4 is transitional and 5 is technical climbing. My understanding having been exposed to

Re: [Tagging] Section numbers in hiking routes

2020-05-23 Thread Tod Fitch
I was under the impression that the consensus was that a route name should be in a route relation that holds all the segments and that the segment names, if different from the route name, were on the segment. Has that consensus changed or has my impression been wrong? Cheers! Tod > On May 23,

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

2020-05-22 Thread Tod Fitch
> On May 22, 2020, at 5:24 AM, Ture Pålsson via Tagging > wrote: > > > >> 22 maj 2020 kl. 12:52 skrev Daniel Westergren > >: >> >> […] Then there is width, which is only tagged on 3.5% of highway=path. I was >> discussing width of paths in another forum. For a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Dog hazard

2020-05-12 Thread Tod Fitch
dog=yes|no|leashed already exists for a totally different semantic (letting dog owners know if their pet is allowed). If this goes forward I would prefer reversing thing and make it hazard=dog. That would also allow other types of hazards to be mapped. Checking taginfo it seems hazard=* [1] is

Re: [Tagging] highway=service, service=driveway vs highway=track

2020-04-30 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Apr 30, 2020, at 11:25 AM, Paul Allen wrote: > > On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 19:17, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > This mis-tagging is probably common because OpenStreetMap-Carto and some > other common map styles do not distinguish between unpaved and

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

2020-03-27 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Mar 27, 2020, at 5:29 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > > > > On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 5:23 PM Paul Allen > wrote: > > I can think of one US city square which has "square" in the name > (not square shaped, though) that is rather well-known. If you > can't think of

Re: [Tagging] What language is the name tag value? Was: Which languages are admissible for name:xx tags?

2020-03-26 Thread Tod Fitch
I was blissfully unaware of the issues involved in creating a bilingual map (dual labeled in the local language and in my language) until I actually tried to create one. Most objects in OSM do not have name: tags for non-local languages and it is unreasonable to expect that every named

Re: [Tagging] Which languages are admissible for name:xx tags?

2020-03-25 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 8:05 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I would think that a default should be used - where the required language > name is not within OSM then the local language name should be used. > This should stop the copying of the local language name into other languages

Re: [Tagging] Which languages are admissible for name:xx tags?

2020-03-25 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 3:56 PM, Paul Allen wrote: > > On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 22:25, Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: > > Is there any reason to actually specify name:en= when English is the > Australian language? > > It's not the language of all Australians. Ayers

Re: [Tagging] key damage and HOT

2020-02-07 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Feb 6, 2020, at 10:35 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 7/2/20 3:47 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 14:30, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com >> > wrote: >> Let say a hospital has collapsed. >> >> The crisis mapping

Re: [Tagging] highway=path for *all* mixed foot/bicycle highways?

2020-01-27 Thread Tod Fitch
Grabbing some random images off the Internet, here are some highway=* and how I’d tag them: highway=path [1] This may or may not allow horses or bicycles depends on local signage and regulations. highway=footway [2] This may or may not allow bicycles, depends on local signage. My decision

Re: [Tagging] tagging historic ruins

2020-01-05 Thread Tod Fitch
The name value almost certainly should not be “Indian Ruin”. If “Indian Ruin” is used for a value at all it should be in the description tag. Probably the more politically correct nowadays might be “Native American ruins”. Most of the larger sites have official names. “Montezuma Castle National

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Trunk VS primary,

2019-12-20 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Dec 20, 2019, at 5:25 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > What I'm saying is highway=bundesstraße could be acceptable, but > straße=bundestraße wouldn't be. Mostly so way type objects with highway=* > are still potentially routable. I sure wouldn’t want to be the person in charge of

Re: [Tagging] Public WLAN boxes

2019-12-18 Thread Tod Fitch
In the U.S. it would be called wifi or wi-fi rather than wlan. Anyone know what the British English is? Sent from my phone, please excuse my brevity. > On Dec 18, 2019, at 2:22 AM, Cascafico Giovanni wrote: > > Hello ML, > which tags for those boxes, usually on pole or wall mounted which >

Re: [Tagging] Route node roles - was Re: Feature Proposal - RFC - hiking_trail_relation_roles

2019-12-09 Thread Tod Fitch
In my area lots of search and rescue teams use maps and services provided by CalTop, SarTopo and other similar providers. And it turns out that CalTopo/SarTopo and others use OpenStreetMap data when generating maps. One reason for this is that OSM has much better (more data and more accurate

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-08-06 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Aug 6, 2019, at 12:56 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > sent from a phone > >> On 6. Aug 2019, at 05:33, Tod Fitch wrote: >> >> When I walk down a street collecting house numbers I have no indication of >> the ZIP code of each building. If

Re: [Tagging] Rethinking Map Features

2019-08-05 Thread Tod Fitch
Requiring postal codes on addresses makes no sense even in countries that use ZIP codes. When I walk down a street collecting house numbers I have no indication of the ZIP code of each building. If you require ZIP codes then I am forced into an import situation rather than a field survey.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - camp_site=camp_pitch

2019-05-21 Thread Tod Fitch
> On May 20, 2019, at 4:28 PM, marc marc wrote: > > Le 21.05.19 à 00:58, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : >> I don’t feel enthusiastic about creating a 4th competing tagging >> standard to go along with camp_site=pitch, camp_site=camp_pitch >> and tourism=camp_pitch > > it's an argument that makes

Re: [Tagging] tag linking [was: Feature Proposal - Voting - camp_site=camp_pitch]

2019-05-21 Thread Tod Fitch
> On May 21, 2019, at 4:07 PM, marc marc wrote: > > Hello, > > Le 21.05.19 à 03:25, Tod Fitch a écrit : >> If there is someplace I can read up on this “logic of tag linking”? > > this logic is massively used and yet I had a hard time finding a link > whos

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - camp_site=camp_pitch

2019-05-20 Thread Tod Fitch
> On May 20, 2019, at 4:28 PM, marc marc wrote: > > Le 21.05.19 à 00:58, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : >> I don’t feel enthusiastic about creating a 4th competing tagging >> standard to go along with camp_site=pitch, camp_site=camp_pitch >> and tourism=camp_pitch > > it's an argument that makes

Re: [Tagging] Whispering asphalt

2019-05-02 Thread Tod Fitch
I have not heard of “whispering asphalt” but I know that in some areas of the state I live in they have been using a porous asphalt on roads to provide better traction during rain storms. So I am not sure if the current uses of “asphalt:type=porous” would be to indicate pavement designed for

Re: [Tagging] Wiki page for natural=mountain_range

2019-04-30 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Apr 30, 2019, at 9:28 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Depends? > > Warning - my interpretation! > > SADDLE = low point between two high points (mountains), it does not descend > near the level of the adjacent valleys. > > PASS =A gap in a range of mountains or hills

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Subkey camp_pitch:*

2019-04-11 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Apr 11, 2019, at 1:01 AM, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > Thank you for your comments, Graeme > >> aren't you duplicating everything that exists under the >> tourism=camp_site & caravan_site pages ? > > This proposal is for designating features that are available at > individual spots for

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Camp_site=camp_pitch

2019-04-10 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Apr 10, 2019, at 12:02 AM, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > I've restarted the proposal process for camp_site=camp_pitch > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/camp_site_pitch > > > This tag has

Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation wikipage

2019-03-14 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Mar 14, 2019, at 2:04 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 4:51 PM marc marc wrote: >> no:landcover=trees ? >> or, as the previous landcover/imagery show tress, was:landcover=trees > > However you want to spell it. > > I just saw two replies to Lorenzo that were suggesting

Re: [Tagging] Mapping deforestation

2019-03-11 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Mar 11, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Mateusz Konieczny > wrote: > > Note that https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Rudolf/draft_landcover > > is proposal from 2014 and is rarely used (not used) in mapping. > Maybe not that

Re: [Tagging] edit war about deletion of proposal

2019-02-05 Thread Tod Fitch
Another +1 That wiki page [1] should be reverted back to its prime, no need for it to be labeled for deletion. [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dbikeshed > On Feb 5, 2019, at 1:02 PM, Sergio Manzi wrote: > > +1!! :-) > > On 2019-02-05 21:57, Kevin Kenny wrote: >> Oh,

Re: [Tagging] Forest parcel with other landcover (scrub, scree…): how to map?

2019-01-22 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Jan 22, 2019, at 12:52 PM, Adam Franco wrote: > > As someone who has mapped a lot of landcover & landuse > in my local area, I > welcome sorting out the confusion that is the current state of > natural=wood/landuse=forest. Many

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

2019-01-15 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Jan 15, 2019, at 7:28 AM, Paul Allen wrote: > > On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 at 15:22, Peter Elderson > wrote: > At what size is it that a ditch turns into a drain? > > The same size that a boy turns into a man. Or when you line the boy with > concrete. > I assume

Re: [Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-14 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Jan 14, 2019, at 2:51 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 5:50 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: >> What's the key dangling there for, Kev? > > Absolutely no idea! I left it as I found it. > Guess: Someone found it on the trail and figured it would be easier for the person

Re: [Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-13 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Jan 13, 2019, at 7:27 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > So what do you call "little houses on wheels that are towed behind your car > to stay in when you go on holidays"? :-) > > Are they just "trailers" > > Thanks > > Graeme “Travel trailers”. A generic plain “trailer” is probably

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

2019-01-11 Thread Tod Fitch
. Cheers! > On Jan 11, 2019, at 10:18 AM, Eugene Podshivalov wrote: > > Tod, what would be definition of "drain"? > > Eugene > > пт, 11 янв. 2019 г. в 21:10, Tod Fitch <mailto:t...@fitchdesign.com>>: > > > On Jan 11, 2019, at 8:36 AM,

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

2019-01-11 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Jan 11, 2019, at 8:36 AM, ael wrote: > > As a native speaker, I do not recognise "canal" as appropriate for > irrigation. That is not to say that some canals may also be used > partly for irrigation. > > But the phrase "irrigation ditch" is common and understood. Bear in > mind that the

[Tagging] Surface on turning circles

2019-01-02 Thread Tod Fitch
I am implementing a map rendering that differentiates roads based the type of surface. A number of these roads have turning circles which I would like to render too and I’d like to base the rendering on the surface. Looking at the wiki page for turning_circle [1] and at taginfo [2] it appears

Re: [Tagging] how to map soft story/soft storey buildings properly?

2018-12-18 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Dec 17, 2018, at 2:17 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > The bigger problem could be verifiability. OSM is about crowd sourced geodata > while this property seems to require expert capabilities and additional > information you cannot get non-destructively on the ground? > For

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Ephemeral a water property key.

2018-12-13 Thread Tod Fitch
I do like the idea of one key to rule them all. But I am uncomfortable with a key name which has a negative preface. At first I wondered about a perennial tag but then the values might be difficult. Then it occurred that we are trying to tag the presence of something, in this case water. There

Re: [Tagging] emergency=control_centre

2018-12-09 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Dec 9, 2018, at 7:11 AM, Paul Allen wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 3:06 PM dktue > wrote: > > I would like to propose a tag for emergency control centers (the place > you reach when you call 112 in Europe). > > Why? > > As far as I know, these are places

Re: [Tagging] How to tag shared waterway highway

2018-12-08 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Dec 8, 2018, at 2:31 AM, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > I would recommend drawing a separate “way” for the highway. I imagine that > the route taken by vehicles or people walking is a few meters off of the > center of the waterway, and perhaps a little straighter. If you are coarsest >

Re: [Tagging] Neighborhood Gateway Signs?

2018-11-30 Thread Tod Fitch
ce, >> maxheight:physical=* (what? opposed to... maxheight:virtual=*, maybe?), but >> that's another story... >> I think you found the right key, bravo! >> >> Sergio >> >> >> On 2018-11-30 17:53, Tod Fitch wrote: >>> I’ve mapped by

Re: [Tagging] Neighborhood Gateway Signs?

2018-11-30 Thread Tod Fitch
I’ve mapped by placing a way across the road tagged with: man_made=gantry name=“whatever” place=neighbourhood I suppose one could add some sort of tagging indicating the vertical clearance that might be of use for routing. > On Nov 30, 2018, at 3:48 AM, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > Yeah,

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

2018-11-02 Thread Tod Fitch
I prefer to have common tags on the relation. That said, in JOSM you can select the relation members and then easily add, update or delete a tag from all members of the relation. Cheers! > On Nov 2, 2018, at 4:00 PM, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > Of course. The Trans Alaska Pipeline is as good

Re: [Tagging] Highway=track and piste:type=nordic, are we doing it right ?

2018-10-13 Thread Tod Fitch
In my part of the world I know of several highway=* that are closed in winter and used as nordic ski trails. Not just tracks, I can think of a few that are two lane paved roads used for general vehicular traffic in summer. It makes no sense to me to have two OSM ways sharing the same nodes

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

2018-10-08 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Oct 8, 2018, at 11:30 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > > Group relations have been proposed > (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Group_Relation > ) in > the past. One has been used to group the Great

Re: [Tagging] How to tag named group of named water areas?

2018-10-07 Thread Tod Fitch
Perhaps a site relation. :) On October 7, 2018 9:07:48 AM PDT, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: >Lest say that we have ngroup of ponds called "Groble", with >- a water area called "Small Pond"- a water area called "Big Pond" >What is the best way to tag this? >First part for obvious: >- way with

Re: [Tagging] My "weirdly unnatural aversion to relations"

2018-10-02 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Oct 2, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > > sent from a phone > >> On 2. Oct 2018, at 17:01, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: >> >> Why selecting buildings and tagging them to site relation is easier than >> selecting building and adding them to a multipolygon realation?

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed:type vs source:maxspeed // StreetComplete

2018-09-19 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Sep 19, 2018, at 6:59 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > An example of an interstate I would call trunk would be I 70 between I 68 and > I 76, given that those two are the two closest junctions. Motorways should > terminate at an interchange with another motorway, not an at-grade >

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed:type vs source:maxspeed // StreetComplete

2018-09-19 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Sep 18, 2018, at 6:19 PM, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > So on the boundary=administrative admin_level=6 for Rogers County, we could > have something like maxspeed:type:default=45mph Except that more typically there will be different default speed limits on each of the various OSM

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed:type vs source:maxspeed // StreetComplete

2018-09-18 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Sep 18, 2018, at 10:41 AM, Tobias Zwick wrote: > > There is a misunderstanding. > > So, there are 597 towns, 77 counties and 2 councils in the state of > Oklahoma and I understand that you want to say that all these entities > have authority over defining the default speed limit(s) within

Re: [Tagging] Slow vehicle turnouts

2018-09-13 Thread Tod Fitch
In California the narrow mountain roads will have “turn outs”. These are very short, basically just enough room for a vehicle to pull over and stop to allow others to pass. These are signed in advance with something like “Turn out 500 ft ahead”. There are also “passing lane” signs for areas

Re: [Tagging] wiki modification landuse=meadow definition

2018-09-02 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Sep 2, 2018, at 5:41 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > > sent from a phone > >> On 3. Sep 2018, at 02:31, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> The land is not used by/for 'meadow'. > > > it is used as a meadow > There are natural meadows within the forested areas in

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Evacuation Route

2018-08-06 Thread Tod Fitch
In my area there are signed routes for tsunami evacuation. Very unlikely that they will change for an individual event. And the are ground verifiable as they are signed. I think these can and should be mapped in OSM. There are also wildfire prone areas near by. Evacuations from those are ad

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-07-26 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Jul 26, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > > The only outcome of that thread - and several threads on the same > subject that preceded it - was that there was no consensus. I’ve been following the talk and tagging lists for a couple of years now and don’t think I’ve seen consensus on

Re: [Tagging] tagging religion-based access

2018-06-29 Thread Tod Fitch
Maybe something like access=no muslim=yes better fit the existing schemes for tagging access? > On Jun 29, 2018, at 11:27 AM, Mateusz Konieczny > wrote: > > I thought about muslim_only=yes tag. > > > 27. Jun 2018 12:50 by matkoni...@tutanota.com > : > >

Re: [Tagging] shop=discount

2018-06-25 Thread Tod Fitch
On June 25, 2018 8:12:33 AM PDT, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > > >24. Jun 2018 22:17 by dieterdre...@gmail.com >: > > >> >> >> sent from a phone >> >>> On 24. Jun 2018, at 22:00, Mateusz Konieczny <>> >matkoni...@tutanota.com >> >

[Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

2018-06-21 Thread Tod Fitch
Graeme Fitzpatrick graemefitz1 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 20 02:13:47 UTC 2018 > So the photos on >

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

2018-06-19 Thread Tod Fitch
largest and the city (local beach by me) and the state (beaches to the north and south of the city) save money by having a greatly reduced staff and thus coverage in the off season. > On Jun 18, 2018, at 11:52 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: > > On 19 June 2018 at 08:34, Tod Fitch <mail

Re: [Tagging] The endless debate about "landcover" as a top-level tag

2018-06-07 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Jun 7, 2018, at 11:13 AM, Michael Andersen wrote: > > For many years now I've been pretty happy to use landuse=forest pretty much > everywhere I found a group of trees. Yes, in some cases the semantics irked > me > a bit, but landuse=forest always rendered fine. I used what worked for

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - scenic

2018-06-02 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Jun 1, 2018, at 1:08 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > 31. May 2018 23:50 by pame...@web.de : > > Hi there, > > > I would like to propose an new map feature and would like some comments. The > page can be found here: > >

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

2018-05-29 Thread Tod Fitch
> On May 29, 2018, at 4:36 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > > sent from a phone > >> On 29. May 2018, at 12:50, Andrew Davidson wrote: >> >> assuming that people would think that natural=wetland + stream=ephemeral >> would look odd--otherwise no need for a new key). > > > on

Re: [Tagging] Seasonal, intermittent, and ephemeral water tags

2018-05-26 Thread Tod Fitch
> On May 26, 2018, at 12:02 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > My take for water bodies: > > Perennial: I expect to find water here at any time. Exceptions: drought > > Seasonal: I expect to find water here on a yearly cycle, usually for months. > Exceptions: drought > >

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