Re: [Tagging] Proposal to change key:man_made to key:human_made

2020-10-19 Thread Topographe Fou
Putting appart this 'man' vs 'human' debate...This reminds me a thinking I regularly have in minds: OSM shall have a way to tell all (registered) data users that "starting from /mm/dd following major change in the database will be applied following vote xxx from OSM community. Please see

Re: [Tagging] We should stop using hyphens to denote address ranges

2020-08-20 Thread Topographe Fou
then why not using addr:interpolation=no to state that the hyphen in addr:housenumber does not define a range ? I think everyone would be happy and it will not break current tagging schema. QA tools would raise a warning if there is an hyphen and no addr:interpolation tag. Default rule might be

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (contact:phone)

2019-12-04 Thread Topographe Fou
I totally agree. Soren and all others members don't disserve such comment. OSM is a project where everyone can submit its point of view and ask for voting. Even if some think they own the truth.Having said that I think the main topic has not been adressed. For me contact is a namespace. I would

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-19 Thread Topographe Fou
Oups, wrong key, 32 use of landuse=mixed, sorry. LeTopographeFou

Re: [Tagging] Tagging meadow orchards

2019-09-19 Thread Topographe Fou
And what about something like:Landuse=mixed (0 use in taginfo)Landuse:orchard=yesLanduse:meadow=yes I would prefer that compared to secondary_landuse as it is

Re: [Tagging] Specific tag for Satellite Dishes

2019-07-29 Thread Topographe Fou
Look at this recent page:https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dsatellite_dishNote that this tag is 'in use' and has few usage. You can make/revive a proposal in order to approve it (together with man_made=communication(s)_dish?)

Re: [Tagging] paid ferry - fee or toll tag

2019-06-19 Thread Topographe Fou
For me, if none of those tags would already exist, I would say that toll is an infrastructure and shall be put where the toll is  (booths, gates, automatic systems...) whereas fee is an attribute which denote that this amenity/road/ferry is not free to use.But as of today both are used, so I

Re: [Tagging] Other missing landform tags

2019-04-19 Thread Topographe Fou
Oups sorry, it was not your discussion on plateau/mesa, I mixed those discussions, my bad... Whatever I still think summarizing a proposal would help for all those major geological features :) LeTopographeFou   Message original   De: letopographe...@gmail.com Envoyé: 19 avril

Re: [Tagging] Other missing landform tags

2019-04-19 Thread Topographe Fou
Warin, Now you start having some main feedbacks (see plateau/mesa/...), may I suggest you write a global proposal for missing geological features? In fact it is what you are doing in the mailing list but without formalism. But too many emails with too many threads to be able to follow and

Re: [Tagging] amenity=place_of_worship | Re: Mapping of indigenous sacred / ceremonial sites

2019-04-03 Thread Topographe Fou
The signage should make the tag, not the opposite. I think it is one of the main rule here. Otherwise there will always be interpretations and personnal feelings.Access=adherents is a non-sens. You don't have to be a customer to enter a shop (you may become one, but only after you entered), same

Re: [Tagging] I have been tagging mosques wrong all along

2019-03-25 Thread Topographe Fou
Hi, Personnaly I already use amenity=* for the whole plot/complex when it's clear it is not limited to a building. This apply to schools, hospitals and places of worship (not exhaustive list) in my way of tagging. I believe this is how schools and hospitals are suggested to be mapped and see

Re: [Tagging] Green lanes (OT)

2019-03-18 Thread Topographe Fou
I disagree with the fact that making things even more complex (with adding an "all_lane" ) will help to solve when there is already a well known use of lane schema. Imagine cases where bicycles lanes are between two same direction lanes (it sometimes happens with a turn right lane. There the

Re: [Tagging] Wild changes to wiki pages changing the cycleway tagging scheme

2019-03-15 Thread Topographe Fou
In absolute yes but be carefull: Some editors (like StreetComplete since some weeks or iD) might push one or the other schema without the user knowing which one is used in the background and sometimes without rationale why this one and not the other one on editor side (they implement ONE, they

Re: [Tagging] start_date variants

2019-02-21 Thread Topographe Fou
Agree on the purpose of Wikidata but many OSM features (such as buildings) does not have a Wikidata item (only major buildings have one, usually landmarks).I would rather say that as soon as an OSM item has a Wikidata attribute then a QA tool may suggest to move some other attributes in Wikidata

Re: [Tagging] Protected Areas with multiple award

2019-02-18 Thread Topographe Fou
Hi Emanuel, I would first consider to put them under its Wikidata page (if any) with property P166. Personally I would not take time to enter awards on OSM but would link the OSM item to a Wikidata item and fill the Wikidata item with this kind of property. Moreover looking on Taginfo I can't

Re: [Tagging] Medicine Disposal

2019-02-17 Thread Topographe Fou
Hi,Wiki suggests amenity=recycling + recycling:drugs=yes/nohttps://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3DrecyclingIf we choose to put it under 'waste' (instead of recycling) then I suggest to copy the recycling namespace schema and use waste:drugs= yes/no (or something similar) instead of

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of amenity=kindergarten operated by charitable operators and organisations

2019-01-08 Thread Topographe Fou
Personnaly I don't think I would map umbrella organisations... I would put operator and operator:wikidata and let Wikidata update partnerships between associations. It is not a property of the kindergarten, it is a property of the operator. LeTopographeFou   Message original   De:

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-05 Thread Topographe Fou
I don't see as many issues in your exemple... If École or Musée is part of the name, I don't see why we shall invent a truncated name. It's not because the type is part of the name that we shall remove it.Let's take a more famous example: 'Arc de Triomphe' is the name of a landmark in Paris but

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables Proposal RFC

2018-10-31 Thread Topographe Fou
Hi Leif,I would rather consider the ability to store a "GTFS API link" (or something similar) in transport relations. As soon as its stops are well referenced, then an app will have everything it needs with nearly no need from users to update them (and ability to automatically detect missing or

Re: [Tagging] Still RFC — Drop stop positions and platforms

2018-03-29 Thread Topographe Fou
Hi, Your intent is to simplify but I don't understand how replacing one tag by three or more with different syntaxes key/value according to the type of transportation and their introduction in OSM can make things easier. I share your view when you say that two schemas is too much to maintain

Re: [Tagging] Toll road sections

2017-08-28 Thread Topographe Fou
I'm not aware of other toll systems but official country references are tagged using the prefix ref:XX where XX is the country code. Note that HU represent the country and hu the language (see ISO codes). So your prefix would be ref:HU. LeTopographeFou   Message original   De:

Re: [Tagging] Tagging attractions that are farms

2017-06-02 Thread Topographe Fou
Hi John, Based on what you said I would tag this area as a farmyard (because it produces things) inside a probably bigger (because of parking, buildings...) regular theme park which contains everything else (visitor center, toilets, parking, shop...). LeTopographeFou   Message original   De:

Re: [Tagging] Pennsylvania colored Interstate detour routes

2017-03-30 Thread Topographe Fou
RoadsguyOn Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 9:05 AM, Topographe Fou <letopographe...@gmail.com> wrote: In your case I would probably also consider to add something like colour=green/yellow/... on the

Re: [Tagging] Pennsylvania colored Interstate detour routes

2017-03-30 Thread Topographe Fou
In your case I would probably also consider to add something like colour=green/yellow/... on the detour relation.LeTopographeFou

Re: [Tagging] Traffic sign's relevant direction: direction=* vs. relation [Was: traffic_signals:direction=* vs. direction=*]

2017-03-24 Thread Topographe Fou
It's a different topic: speed, height... Mainly apply to a way whereas stops mainly (always ?) apply to a node. Speeds can still be tagged on the way and the sign put appart from the road, mainly for rendering purpose because the way it applies to is already tagged with the consequence (the

Re: [Tagging] The direction=* tag

2017-03-20 Thread Topographe Fou
Hi, I put stops, give ways and traffic light where the car has to stop/yield which can be far from the position of the sign (for instance in the US where the light is after the junction, thus may not be crossed if you turn). Also on narrow junction you may have the lights at the junction but

Re: [Tagging] how to care about different seasonal road close?

2017-03-16 Thread Topographe Fou
I believe we still need one user somewhere to update the data each year... I suggest to have a scheduled bot which detect obsolete conditions value (based on actual date) and automatically create a note on the map like "Obsolete conditional access value, please update the feature" . Otherwise

Re: [Tagging] The direction=* tag

2017-03-16 Thread Topographe Fou
Hi,The second use should not be encouraged IMHO as it is redundant with the direction of the way.Reguarding the third use, you can use either traffic_signals:direction or direction but the first form will explicitly apply to the traffic_signals while the second may apply to different tags of the

Re: [Tagging] lanes=3 + lanes:forward/backward=1 for "semi-divided" roads?

2017-02-13 Thread Topographe Fou
For your interest and according to Taginfo: access:lanes > 4269 use access:lanes:both_ways > 726 use access:lanes:both_ways=no > 695 use (+ 24 use of value "no|no" ) Used mainly in central North America and Germany. Yours, LeTopographeFou   Message original   De: letopographe...@gmail.com

Re: [Tagging] lanes=3 + lanes:forward/backward=1 for "semi-divided" roads?

2017-02-12 Thread Topographe Fou
Marc, it looks like you propose to tag it as a lane which can be used to turn which is not what Roadsguy wants to do (if I get it right...). If the central line can't be used but exists I would put lanes:both_ways=1 access:lanes:both_ways=no LeTopographeFou   Message original   De:

Re: [Tagging] Harmonising source tag values.

2017-02-07 Thread Topographe Fou
Hi,One interest to do it may be to reduce the volume of the database by improving compression, improve indexing of the values, simplify queries by reducing the need for a request to handle variations of case in a value, simplify statistics by reducing post-analysis... for me there is an added

Re: [Tagging] Railway=station + area=yes questions:

2016-10-02 Thread Topographe Fou
Hi,I know that some consider the wiki as a not-trustable thing but when I read the dedicated page there is a third POV which makes more sense for me and which may explain why you add an extra area tag.http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:railway%3DstationTo summarize quickly: It says that