Re: [Tagging] Amphitheatre or outdoor non-sports venue

2016-09-14 Thread johnw
, Shawn K. Quinn <skqu...@rushpost.com> wrote: > > On Wed, 2016-09-14 at 14:04 +0900, johnw wrote: >> I’m trying to tag an outdoor venue I would call >> an https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphitheatre. It is a “natural” one, >> with a stage near a lake, with t

Re: [Tagging] Amphitheatre or outdoor non-sports venue

2016-09-14 Thread johnw
> On Sep 14, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > >> >> is there some amenity=* tag I am missing that I should be using? >> Putting “stadium” or sports venue on these seems pretty wrong. > > Is there anything about amenity=arts_centre that says it has to >

[Tagging] Amphitheatre or outdoor non-sports venue

2016-09-13 Thread johnw
I’m trying to tag an outdoor venue I would call an https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphitheatre . It is a “natural” one, with a stage near a lake, with terraces seating for picnics or standing for a crowded performance. Here is the one I am mapping.

Re: [Tagging] Subject: Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=social_path

2016-06-13 Thread johnw
> On Jun 14, 2016, at 11:27 AM, Tod Fitch wrote: > > > There is at least one proposal for path/trail difficulty in the wiki [1] and > at least one that appears accepted and in use [2]. Of course neither of those > is an exact match for the Yosemite Decimal System[3]

[Tagging] Motorway_junction = javbw confusion

2016-05-29 Thread johnw
Ran into a tagging issue today while cleaning up a (complicated) area of Tokyo I visited. https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3851821325 Came across this highway=motorway_junction node. Seemed in the wrong place. Out in the Japanese countryside,

Re: [Tagging] Should greenhouse et al have building=yes? (was building=digester)

2016-05-22 Thread johnw
> On May 21, 2016, at 6:43 PM, Martin Simon wrote: > > Some are tent-like, some have a rigid steel structure that supports itself. This is an interesting question. In my area, there are thousands of greenhouses, or as they are called in Japanese “Vinyl Houses” (Vinyl

[Tagging] Tagging "commons" style buildings at large dorms

2016-03-30 Thread johnw
My son moved from a very small dorm facility to a very large dormitory for Tokyo University, and of course I was trying to update the facility and ran into a couple questions on tagging. there are 7 buildings: 6 dorm buildings and the central office/hall The dorm buildings (the housing part)

Re: [Tagging] importance=* tag (for transportation etc)

2016-03-21 Thread johnw
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 5:32 AM, Janko Mihelić wrote: > > You actually already have all the data you need, and it's on Wikidata. Just > look at the number of articles about each peak, and render them according to > that. More articles=rendered at lower zooms. Problem solved,

Re: [Tagging] importance=* tag (for transportation etc)

2016-03-19 Thread johnw
> On Mar 19, 2016, at 10:13 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > prominence and topographic isolation, Neither are good measures of mountains, besides for record holders. - There are bigger volcanoes than Mt Fuji in Russia, just north

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Internet cafe

2016-02-28 Thread johnw
> On Feb 24, 2016, at 9:24 AM, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > One would not go there because it's a cafe; any food or drink is offered > purely as a convenience. +1 Also, In Rural Japan, an internet cafe is usually not for gaming, it is for people to be alone with the

Re: [Tagging] Do-it-yourself versus hardware stores

2016-02-13 Thread johnw
> On Feb 13, 2016, at 5:36 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > in OSM, distribution warehouses are industrial What do they make there? Isn’t distribution “commerce”? A factory that manufactures IKEA furniture is industrial. Their Main distribution warehouse

Re: [Tagging] Tagging "you pick" farms and related fruit stands

2016-02-13 Thread johnw
> On Feb 13, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > Maybe shop=pick_your_own added to the farm? > > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-Pick_and_Pick-Your-Own_%28PYO%29_Farms > ) I think in some

Re: [Tagging] Do-it-yourself versus hardware stores

2016-02-12 Thread johnw
inline as well: > On Feb 13, 2016, at 8:09 AM, Colin Smale wrote: > >> So: >> >> Builder supply : focus on materials/piping/whatever their specialty (Tile, >> rock, lumber), excluding the finished goods stores (appliance, etc) >> >> Hardware stores : focus on

[Tagging] Tagging "you pick" farms and related fruit stands

2016-02-12 Thread johnw
this weekend, I visited a “you pick” strawberry farm. As with apples and other fruits, Visiting a rural farm and paying a fee to pick your own fruits, nuts, and other stuff must be popular around the world. I have visited several Apple orchards in the US that do that. In this case, it was “all

Re: [Tagging] Public buildings

2016-01-10 Thread johnw
> On Jan 10, 2016, at 2:24 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > To me an office building could be used for any administrative work. > Government department sections here change locations - the education > department human resources can move to another location ... even swap with >

Re: [Tagging] landuse=farmland and highway=track

2016-01-10 Thread johnw
> On Jan 10, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Gerd Petermann > wrote: > > Whenever I am mapping landuse=farmland areas I wonder whether I should > 1) draw one rather large polygon stretching across all highway=track ways > and small buildings which are likely used by the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Aquatics centre

2015-12-28 Thread johnw
> On Dec 29, 2015, at 8:09 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > sports_centre=ball_sports Perhaps there needs to be more detail on the field - a field type can tell you what can be done - we do that with “tennis courts” or “baseball diamond” - but for grass pitches and indoor wooden

Re: [Tagging] Swimming pools

2015-12-21 Thread johnw
> On Dec 21, 2015, at 6:57 PM, Matthijs Melissen > wrote: > > For example a indoor swimming hall with slides and wave > generators, heated to a subtropical temperature, for generic water parks (place for water “play” rather than water “exercise / sports”, usually

Re: [Tagging] Swimming pools

2015-12-19 Thread johnw
> On Dec 20, 2015, at 1:42 AM, ael wrote: > > A water park is typically a natural area with lakes mainly for wildlife, > although perhaps boating and maybe, just maybe but very rarely, swimming. > But not a swimming pool (well, perhaps there are exceptions). Google

Re: [Tagging] Swimming pools

2015-12-18 Thread johnw
> On Dec 18, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Steve Doerr wrote: > > , I think these establishments did actually provide washing facilities for > those, especially the urban poor, who didn't have bath-tubs in the home, and > were provided as a public-health measure. in rural

Re: [Tagging] Swimming pools

2015-12-17 Thread johnw
> On Dec 16, 2015, at 8:38 PM, Philip Barnes wrote: > > Isn't the term public_bath somewhat outdated? Google search 温泉 in Japan https://www.google.com/maps/search/温泉/@36.3099717,138.9777321,11z

Re: [Tagging] Wi-Fi or internet access at Stores

2015-12-14 Thread johnw
> On Dec 13, 2015, at 11:48 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > >> Am 13.12.2015 um 12:22 schrieb moltonel > >: >> >> Customer-only and non-gratis wifi are arguably not "public" but they are >> mapworthy. And the subtags

Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

2015-12-01 Thread johnw
> On Dec 1, 2015, at 5:30 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > 2015-12-01 9:02 GMT+01:00 John Willis >: > So landuse=ornamental_flowers is the current value I will propose, as it has > no size connotations > > > yes, it has no

Re: [Tagging] Sidewalk Tagging for Routing

2015-11-24 Thread johnw
> On Nov 24, 2015, at 9:20 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > yes, it would eventually create problems in case e.g. a bridge spirals around > itself (guess improbable case) similar to spiral stairs (maybe these wouldn't > be called bridges but ramps). It worked for

Re: [Tagging] Sidewalk Tagging for Routing

2015-11-24 Thread johnw
> On Nov 24, 2015, at 11:32 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > the road, they are quite capable of deciding which side to walk, where > to cross and whether it is simply easier to walk on the road. TL;DR: Although I care more about the rendering than the routing,

Re: [Tagging] Named junctions

2015-11-14 Thread johnw
> On Nov 13, 2015, at 7:46 PM, tomoya muramoto wrote: > > Severe problem: Different names I did a quick look around, and this signal-grid naming issue seems to be pretty big, but only in Hokkaido. I never noticed this, as I have not been to Hokkaido yet. several

Re: [Tagging] Friendliness with attacked mapped places in Paris

2015-11-14 Thread johnw
> On Nov 15, 2015, at 3:35 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > Yes, a tragedy has happened, or more precisely a horrific crime; and > yes, you and I and many others wish to extend our hearfelt condolences > to the victims and their families. But OpenStreetMap is not the right >

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Level:ref=*

2015-11-14 Thread johnw
> On Nov 15, 2015, at 12:48 AM, Tobias Knerr <o...@tobias-knerr.de> wrote: > > On 14.11.2015 07:17, johnw wrote: >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/level:ref > > Thanks for the proposal! One question though: What's the rationale for > cal

Re: [Tagging] Named junctions

2015-11-13 Thread johnw
> On Nov 13, 2015, at 7:46 PM, tomoya muramoto wrote: > However officially (legally) the name is "place" name. It causes some > problems. I understood it to be the signals were named after the places - not the places themselves.And only *sometimes* named for places.

[Tagging] RFC - Level:ref=*

2015-11-13 Thread johnw
I created an RFC page for level:ref=* I look forward to your comments. here or on the discussion page. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/level:ref PS: I will create it’s cousins, addr:unit:ref later. having

Re: [Tagging] Named junctions

2015-11-10 Thread johnw
> On Nov 9, 2015, at 10:14 PM, Andrew Errington wrote: > > Surely this is a rendering problem? > > In other words, if there are many named traffic lights within a > certain distance of each other then only one symbol/name/whatever > should be rendered? If the traffic

Re: [Tagging] Named junctions

2015-11-09 Thread johnw
> On Nov 8, 2015, at 7:17 PM, tomoya muramoto wrote: > > As for me, signals rendering seems not to be a big problem I was looking around at the other maps, and the one I really like the look of is Mapion.

Re: [Tagging] Named junctions

2015-11-08 Thread johnw
> On Nov 8, 2015, at 7:17 PM, tomoya muramoto wrote: > > I'm a Japanese mapper, and I thank you for your work on Japan/Asia specific > problems. > It's very tough to read and understand a long discussion in English, so maybe > I'm lack of full understanding on this

Re: [Tagging] RFC level:ref (was: Adding floor location information)

2015-11-07 Thread johnw
I created an RFC page for level:ref. I look forward to your comments. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/level:ref PS: I will create it’s cousins, addr:unit:ref later. having the directory/information map

Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

2015-11-06 Thread johnw
Thanks for this information - I live about 1 hour away from Oze but I have not visited it yet. And most of the fields in Oze are certainly wetlands of some kind. I will eventually visit both of the places you mentioned, as everyone likes pictures of pretty flowers in the forest. Links in

Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

2015-11-06 Thread johnw
> On Nov 4, 2015, at 8:51 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > I think it's not that different to a cutline for instance, which is one of > the most used values in man_made You are right, since it is a place where the land is cleared, a cutline is a clearing in the

Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

2015-11-04 Thread johnw
> On Nov 4, 2015, at 8:52 PM, tomoya muramoto wrote: > > to a flower field grown naturally (not planted by man). Is it appropriate? AFAIK that a natural open area of grasses is natural=grassland. If it is a bit taller stuff, possibly natural=scrub ( like the 1m tall

Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

2015-11-03 Thread johnw
> On Nov 3, 2015, at 4:22 PM, Gerd Petermann > wrote: > > I would use leisure=garden, but I assume I must be missing something as you > didn't pick this (obvious) tag. Can you explain why you don't want to > use/think abotu/like this tag ? > The wiki page

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a "overhead electronic display" ?

2015-11-03 Thread johnw
> On Nov 2, 2015, at 5:11 PM, Gerd Petermann > wrote: > > > Maybe we should move this discussion to the "More human readable values for > traffic sings" thread? I’m not sure - that thread seems to be really full ^_^ I think that, in general, there needs to

Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

2015-11-03 Thread johnw
> On Nov 4, 2015, at 5:27 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > there's a difference: flowerbed is the place inside which the flowers are > put, tree is the plant itself I think you are thinking of a flower box. googling flowerbed leads to a small area of ground

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a "overhead electronic display" ?

2015-11-02 Thread johnw
> On Nov 2, 2015, at 5:59 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > "travel time to XY 20 minutes" On Japan’s tollways, this is often done with a single-purpose sign with a variable number, and different color of the numbers to indicate delay time. As Japan’s tollway

Re: [Tagging] How to tag traffic islands ?

2015-11-02 Thread johnw
> On Nov 2, 2015, at 6:37 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > a sign that let's you pass the red light if you turn right and there are no > pedestrians (and not crossing traffic). In America, turning right on a red signal is usually allowed (unless you spot a rare

Re: [Tagging] How to tag traffic islands ?

2015-11-02 Thread johnw
> On Nov 3, 2015, at 7:41 AM, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > I was living in Boston at the time and can attest to the fact that there > were only a very few places where you could go right on red. From what I have heard of boston, the narrow streets with limited

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power utility office

2015-11-02 Thread johnw
> On Nov 3, 2015, at 7:38 AM, Joan wrote: > > The tag has already been used a few times (there was four tags in different > places of the world) see it here > https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/office=power_utility#overview >

[Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

2015-11-02 Thread johnw
I assume there are many around the world, But I am trying to tag a group of flower fields that are used year round to create a decoration by growing vast fields of a single type of flower. They are not harvested or sold, they are there merely for the visitors of a very large 3sq KM mixed-use

Re: [Tagging] Often seen tagging problems regarding junctions

2015-11-01 Thread johnw
>> >> This makes it (relatively) easy to draw a Zebra crossing, correctly >> orientated along the way. > > > I use the combination of highway =crossing and crossing=uncontrolled for > zebra crossings that are not controlled by traffic lights. On a node on the > road-highway way. > I have

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a "overhead electronic display" ?

2015-11-01 Thread johnw
> I think the first group is not a traffic_sign=*, it is information=* Considering the sign is purely for motorist, not tourists, I think it is still very much a traffic sign. But traffic_sign has no framework for non-law signs. no one is going to go find this sign to check something - it is

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a "overhead electronic display" ?

2015-10-31 Thread johnw
> On Nov 1, 2015, at 12:04 AM, Gerd Petermann > wrote: > > traffic_sign=changing > or > traffic_sign=variable The matrix displays and variable signs are very different. Most speed limit signs in Japan are “variable” - they are small numeric screens that

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a "overhead electronic display" ?

2015-10-31 Thread johnw
> On Oct 29, 2015, at 6:02 PM, Gerd Petermann > wrote: > > rather rare objects. These signs are very very common in Japan. they are usually on the tollway for every 10 minutes of driving. They're constantly updated with either accident, weather, or road

Re: [Tagging] How to tag traffic islands ?

2015-10-31 Thread johnw
> On Nov 1, 2015, at 3:05 AM, Gerd Petermann > wrote: > > > > It seems that many mappers associate words like "island" or "traffic island" > with an area on a road that is enclosed by a white line and > maybe hatched lines ("schraffiert”)

Re: [Tagging] tunnel=culvert

2015-10-25 Thread johnw
> On Oct 25, 2015, at 6:27 PM, Ineiev wrote: > >> In my eyes it is the same case as with a >> railway=level_crossing. We map it as a node (and only as a node). >> Did I miss something? > > In this case, the highway and the railway share the same level. +1 the rail and road

Re: [Tagging] Heliport tagging

2015-10-21 Thread johnw
> On Oct 21, 2015, at 6:24 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > I would not define an heliport as a subclass of an airport, but rather as a > subtype of an aerodrome. Didn’t we just vote on and approve a tag defining an heliport as a seperate tag? perhaps I am

Re: [Tagging] Postindustrial Castle

2015-10-16 Thread johnw
> On Oct 16, 2015, at 5:49 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > And btw., you have not yet answered the question regarding the Neuschwanstein > case. I could name a similar example (besides the other Ludwig II castles in > Bavaria), much smaller, here: >

Re: [Tagging] Postindustrial Castle

2015-10-16 Thread johnw
> On Oct 17, 2015, at 3:36 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> Am 16.10.2015 um 14:18 schrieb johnw <jo...@mac.com <mailto:jo...@mac.com>>: >> >> and also - how do we handle the grounds? is there land

Re: [Tagging] How one may tag object as castle?

2015-10-13 Thread johnw
> On Oct 14, 2015, at 6:57 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Past practice might be to tag the outer wall as a barrier if one exists. And > then tag the building as a building. > > And that might be the 'best' solution - no separate tag for 'castle'. > This can lead to tagging the

Re: [Tagging] Shop values review

2015-10-08 Thread johnw
> On Oct 8, 2015, at 6:54 PM, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > >> > printing - copyshop? >> if they don't offer "copying"? Copyshop would seem wrong in these cases. > > There is a clear difference in a shop that provides copiers > and maybe some laser printers, compared to the

Re: [Tagging] Shop values review

2015-10-08 Thread johnw
> On Oct 8, 2015, at 6:48 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Some 'shops' also do repair, servicing of the things they sell. Bicycles has > already been equipped with tags for that, > and I'd think the sub tags should allow for it too... > > For example > > sells:hobby:train=yes

Re: [Tagging] new access value

2015-10-06 Thread johnw
> On Oct 5, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: > > Maybe *=visitors? > or *=guests (but this could make believe that deliverers are excluded) > or *=contact (puzzling?) > or *=contact_with_residents (too bulky?) > or *=contact_with_abutters (same) > or *=in_touch... ?

Re: [Tagging] intermittent vs seasonal

2015-10-03 Thread johnw
> On Oct 3, 2015, at 3:23 PM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > Where wiki recommends converting all waterway=wadi to waterway=river or > stream with intermittent=yes? > > On http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:waterway%3Dwadi >

Re: [Tagging] intermittent vs seasonal

2015-10-02 Thread johnw
> On Oct 2, 2015, at 2:14 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > suggests replacement of > waterway=wadi and waterway=drystream > with > waterway=river or stream This is idiotic. I’m going to start tagging Interstate 5 in San Diego as an intermittent river that just happens to be a

Re: [Tagging] Adding floor location information

2015-09-30 Thread johnw
> On Sep 30, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > if the postal address is different to the actual address (e.g. post goes to a > reception which is in another building and does the internal distribution) > I'd still tag the actual address where a

Re: [Tagging] Adding floor location information

2015-09-28 Thread johnw
> On Sep 29, 2015, at 11:04 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > And the tags need to be able to use the local name directly - making the > mappers and checkers job easy - as the floor you are on is called the local > name ..not some OSM name that has to be looked up each time.

Re: [Tagging] How to tag cricket nets?

2015-09-28 Thread johnw
this would indicate it is a > practice pitch .. and that the full sport is played elsewhere. > > This is more restrictive, not covering exercise stations etc. > umm how about leisure:practice=* that would do track and pitch and could > still use sport= > > > On 29/09/2015 11

Re: [Tagging] How to tag cricket nets?

2015-09-28 Thread johnw
> On Sep 29, 2015, at 2:10 PM, Brad Neuhauser wrote: > > There is a different approach that some have taken to use the sport as the > key and indicate it is a practice area via the value, for example: Then: cricket=practice_nets equestrian=practice_track

Re: [Tagging] How to tag cricket nets?

2015-09-28 Thread johnw
Batting cages, putting greens, driving ranges, Pitching cages (usually behind a baseball stadium), and interestingly - horse practice tracks - have all come up in my mapping and faces similar issues. There must be some way of saying this object is for practice, and then Identify the sport.

[Tagging] Adding floor location information

2015-09-28 Thread johnw
I am mapping Tokyo Dome City, which is a maze of overlapping amenities (an amusement park on top of a shopping mall with a giant pedestrian area with fountains and ramps, bridges, staircases everywhere). The current issue I am investigating is how to map a large amount of shops onto a single

[Tagging] accordion gate & rolling double-track gate

2015-09-24 Thread johnw
I’m wondering if there is a barrier=* tag for these two types of gates. They are the two most popular ones in Japan, but are not are not listed in barrier=*. I would normally tag these as just barrier=gate, but as there are *so many* kinds of gates in barrier=* , I’m wondering if there is a

Re: [Tagging] Immigration, asylum, refugee centers

2015-09-24 Thread johnw
> On Sep 24, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > Here in Thailand there are many nationalities beside English speakers that > make use of these offices, among them are large numbers of Burmese, > Cambodians, Germans, and Japanese. here in Japan it would be

Re: [Tagging] Immigration, asylum, refugee centers

2015-09-23 Thread johnw
I’ve been wanting to make a amenity=immigration because usually foreign residents (and only foreign residents) go to such facilities - so local mappers are usually unaware of their existence or importance. These are places where people apply for new visas, extensions to existing visas, and

Re: [Tagging] Orchards and their crops

2015-09-15 Thread johnw
> On Sep 15, 2015, at 6:44 PM, Jerry Clough - OSM wrote: > > Hi John, > > No there is nothing I'm aware of which discriminates anywhere between > cultivated pears in general (Pyrus communis) & specific cultivars > ('Conference'

[Tagging] Orchards and their crops

2015-09-14 Thread johnw
I came across some mis-tagged orchards in Japan, and in the process of researching how to tag them correctly, I noticed some discrepancies in the EN and JA wiki pages for orchards, trees, and related things. the JA page for orchard includes the trees= definitions, for example.

Re: [Tagging] barrier enforcing maxwidth

2015-09-08 Thread johnw
> On Sep 8, 2015, at 3:22 PM, Mateusz Konieczny <matkoni...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, 08 Sep 2015 12:38:53 +0900 > johnw <jo...@mac.com <mailto:jo...@mac.com>> wrote: > >> Is this a reason for creating barrier=width_restrictor ? > > Yes, constr

[Tagging] barrier enforcing maxwidth

2015-09-07 Thread johnw
I was driving in Chiba and Saitama yesterday and encountered a couple new types of barriers. I realized later one is traffic_calming=chicane. The other one is all over rural Japan as traffic_calming=choker on rural roads that could bypass traffic near the rivers, - but this one is not for

Re: [Tagging] Drafting proposal: use oneway=reversible or create tag?

2015-09-07 Thread johnw
> On Sep 8, 2015, at 9:46 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Flow direction is the best of these (so far). It is descriptive of what is to > be tagged. What do they use for pipelines? I imagine there is some tag based on the way direction that can indicate flow.

Re: [Tagging] Classification problems (was: Re: Road classification)

2015-09-03 Thread johnw
> On Sep 3, 2015, at 10:11 PM, Daniel Koć wrote: > > > I think that's what should be expected, so I'm not surprised at all. It's > probably easier to make a hand-picked map in a fixed scale of one country by > one expert, than the rules for the automatically generated

Re: [Tagging] Heliport tagging

2015-09-03 Thread johnw
> On Sep 3, 2015, at 8:39 PM, Daniel Koć wrote: > > I was trying to use helicopter icon for rendering helipads on default style, > but it looks like it was not needed here and instead it could be good to be > used for heliports. However they are currently

Re: [Tagging] Trolltags

2015-09-01 Thread johnw
> On Sep 1, 2015, at 6:59 PM, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: > > On Tue Sep 1 10:49:56 2015 GMT+0100, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: >> >> I unsure about highway=bridleway+bicycle=designated but given that it >> appears 2 129 times worldwide it is likely that is also may be >> considered as mistake.

Re: [Tagging] Buildings mixing residential and commercial use

2015-08-31 Thread johnw
> On Aug 31, 2015, at 9:26 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I think it better to bite the bullet and start sub tagging correctly ... thus > for a retail mixed with apartments I would still like to separate mixed use buildings there there are multiple disparate tenants per

Re: [Tagging] Construction

2015-08-31 Thread johnw
> On Aug 31, 2015, at 8:53 AM, Andrew MacKinnon wrote: > > The Gardiner is reduced to 2 lanes (was 3), the speed limit is lowered and it > is causing huge traffic jams. if it is still a motorway, it is a motorway. reduce the lanes and the maxspeed, adjust the alignment

Re: [Tagging] Proposed mechanical edit: surface=soil to surface=dirt

2015-08-31 Thread johnw
> On Aug 31, 2015, at 7:11 PM, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > >> Totally agree, I support this edit. > > +1, also the definition of 'dirt' should be improved in the wiki (currently > referring back to 'ground'), and 'soil' should be written into the wiki as > deprecated > and

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-30 Thread johnw
On Aug 30, 2015, at 4:55 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: indeed the buildings are just buildings (eventually with own names, start dates and other attributes) , it's not them to put the name for the whole complex on. But IMHO it's neither a landuse object, it's an

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

2015-08-26 Thread johnw
On Aug 26, 2015, at 2:14 PM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: So ALL shops should all be together under shops= (even though all shops are in fact amenities too). Same for offices. This reduces the amenity= values to those that are not offices nor shops. I think the easiest way to

Re: [Tagging] landuse=religious Monastic schools

2015-08-23 Thread johnw
On Aug 23, 2015, at 3:09 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: This was my error - but it would sit on a single tourism=theme park outline. yes, it is a single theme park, but likely not a single landuse I think this is the argument against landuse=grass. The rides

Re: [Tagging] Shop= values and a sub key for detail?

2015-08-13 Thread johnw
On Aug 14, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: shop=scale_model vending:scale_model:kits=yes vending:scale_model:parts=yes (as in selling parts/materials to make a scale model) accessories, tools, consumables, supplies… supplies might be a good word that can be used in

Re: [Tagging] New Key capacity:*=n values

2015-08-08 Thread johnw
So back to capacity:*=n discussion. -The vehicle parking lots I usually tag have the following kinds of parking spaces, marked with signs and broken up into groups (visible on service area signs): (Some values taken from the access=* key wiki page.

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-07 Thread johnw
On Aug 7, 2015, at 6:07 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: what is this legal name/ shield designation about, the relative importance of the highway as a connection in the road network? Or something else like who maintains the road (typically more politics and history

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-07 Thread johnw
On Aug 7, 2015, at 5:31 PM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: For Belgium we follow this convention: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Eimai/Belgian_Roads#Paths http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Eimai/Belgian_Roads#Paths It's full of highway=path examples. You'll give us

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-06 Thread johnw
On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:50 PM, Andy Townsend ajt1...@gmail.com wrote: Much more elquently than me, Richard Fairhurst has explained the problem previously in opinion pieces such as http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Duck_tagging http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Duck_tagging I would like

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-05 Thread johnw
On Aug 5, 2015, at 12:41 AM, Michael Reichert naka...@gmx.net wrote: Hi Richard, Am 2015-08-04 um 16:59 schrieb Richard: On Sun, Aug 02, 2015 at 11:43:21PM +0200, Michael Reichert wrote: I fully oppose highway=footpath. This is not backward-compatible and will therefore break almost

Re: [Tagging] New Key capacity:*=n values

2015-08-05 Thread johnw
On Aug 2, 2015, at 4:25 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: sent from a phone Am 01.08.2015 um 14:29 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com mailto:jo...@mac.com: I want to say that only disabled vehicles can gain access through a barrier or use a parking isle.

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-05 Thread johnw
On Aug 5, 2015, at 12:41 AM, Michael Reichert naka...@gmx.net wrote: Every data user has to add highway=footpath to his style sheets, scripts, config files etc. Please read paragraph 8 to 10 of Andy Allan's posting at Github 1 1/2 years ago.

Re: [Tagging] New Key capacity:*=n values

2015-08-05 Thread johnw
Sorry it was a screw up. A pocket dial” kind of thing. Javbw On Aug 4, 2015, at 3:57 AM, John Eldredge jfeldre...@gmail.com wrote: What is the point of quoting someone else without adding any additional comment? ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] New Key capacity:*=n values

2015-08-05 Thread johnw
On Aug 2, 2015, at 4:25 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: sent from a phone Am 01.08.2015 um 14:29 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com: I want to say that only disabled vehicles can gain access through a barrier or use a parking isle. access=no disabled=yes

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-05 Thread johnw
On Aug 6, 2015, at 7:49 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: and you can also make combinations without having to decide for footway, cycleway or bridleway. Also, without any further access tags, path is neutral and open to all unmotorized means of transport (unlike

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-05 Thread johnw
On Aug 5, 2015, at 8:04 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: actually highway=footway is meant to be the same as highway=path and foot=designated Then what is the point of having path and all these other tags that overlap? It reinforces my belief that that path’s

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-03 Thread johnw
On Aug 4, 2015, at 12:41 AM, Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com wrote: The problem is that distinction of highway=path and highway=footway is meaningless, I have a ton of sidewalks to map and a ton of dirt trails in the mountains informal cut-throughs in the grass to map. the

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

2015-08-03 Thread johnw
On Aug 3, 2015, at 6:07 PM, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com wrote: highway=path should be a rough path highway=footway should be a made-up path with limited room for non-foot traffic (eg bicycles), or an explicit ban highway=cycleway should be a made-up path with good

Re: [Tagging] New Key capacity:*=n values

2015-08-01 Thread johnw
On Aug 2, 2015, at 8:49 AM, Lauri Kytömaa lkyto...@gmail.com wrote: access=customers Either access=destination or access=permissive, depending on local laws an practices. (or motor_vehicle=*) Access=customers is an established (and documented*) and well used tag (100K uses), and a preset

[Tagging] New Key capacity:*=n values

2015-07-31 Thread johnw
TL;DR: suggesting creation of capacity:motorcycle/scooter/moped=n capacity:senior=n and capacity:priority=n and maybe access=disabled for service roads / gates ~~~ Talking about stuff missing from http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:capacity

Re: [Tagging] landuse=military

2015-07-23 Thread johnw
If there was a pilots club, it wouldn't be tagged as an airport. The facilities my be designated for military personnel, but a) this is for recreation - not a military funtcion, and b) it is merely leased lodging. It's like is there was a bar near the base (not on base) for marines - it

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