[Tagging] cable:ferry

2020-12-17 Thread joost schouppe
, there is no tag for reaction ferry at all, and the wiki definition of ferry:cable should be changed. -- Joost Schouppe ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Unverfied Edits, Reverting Tags

2020-10-16 Thread joost schouppe
iling list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Joost Schouppe OpenStreetMap <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/joost%20schouppe/> | Twitter <https://twitter.com/joostjakob> | LinkedIn <

Re: [Tagging] leisure=schoolyard

2020-08-31 Thread joost schouppe
being excluded, for example). > > Cheers > Martin > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Joost Schouppe OpenStreetMap <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/joost

Re: [Tagging] leisure=schoolyard

2020-08-31 Thread joost schouppe
_ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Joost Schouppe OpenStreetMap <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/joost%20schouppe/> | Twitter <https://twitter.com/joostjakob> | Lin

Re: [Tagging] Confusion bicycle_road <> cyclestreet

2020-08-26 Thread joost schouppe
> > So putting the Dutch and Belgian thing together but not the German, that > doesn't make much sense. > > > I read this as a suggestion for a third alternative tag? > > N! :) Just saying that there's similar concepts that could have had the same main tag (and different clarifying

Re: [Tagging] Confusion bicycle_road <> cyclestreet

2020-08-26 Thread joost schouppe
radstra%C3%9Fe,_StVO_1997.svg > > Taginfo: > bicycle_road=yes > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bicycle_road%3Dyes> 7906 > cyclestreet=yes > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:cyclestreet%3Dyes> 4076 > > Volker > Padova, Italy > > > >

Re: [Tagging] Confusion bicycle_road <> cyclestreet

2020-08-25 Thread joost schouppe
_StVO_1997.svg > > Taginfo: > bicycle_road=yes > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bicycle_road%3Dyes> 7906 > cyclestreet=yes > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:cyclestreet%3Dyes> 4076 > > Volker > Padova, Italy > > > > > > > &g

Re: [Tagging] food forests / forest gardening

2020-07-31 Thread joost schouppe
gt; the point is to be a healthy ecology), so they function and operate very >> differently. >> >> >> - Justin >> _______ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > ___

[Tagging] food forests / forest gardening

2020-07-30 Thread joost schouppe
ning https://communityfoodforests.com/community-food-forests-map/ Best, Joost Schouppe ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] recreational vs functional routes

2020-01-14 Thread joost schouppe
Thanks for all the replies. Just a note on verifiability; always assuming they are waymarked: - for car routes, it's pretty obvious whether it's part of a functional network (say A8 or E40) or a pretty network (with a nice name and a roundabout layout) - for cycle networks, in the cases I know,

[Tagging] recreational vs functional routes

2020-01-07 Thread joost schouppe
ions might be useful, perhaps just function=recreational/practical or something. -- Joost Schouppe ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] maxstay=0

2019-07-17 Thread joost schouppe
l=0 @ (Su,PH) > > Is there any good reason for not using access:conditional for this case? > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Joost Schouppe OpenStreetMap <htt

Re: [Tagging] maxstay=0

2019-07-15 Thread joost schouppe
Thanks Marc, my searching skills failed me again it seems. I've added a little section about maxtay=0 to the wiki. Op ma 15 jul. 2019 om 15:21 schreef marc marc : > Hello, > > Le 15.07.19 à 13:33, joost schouppe a écrit : > > The most common value for maxstay=* is 0. > > w

[Tagging] maxstay=0

2019-07-15 Thread joost schouppe
c Am I reading this right? Am I missing something? What do you think is the best solution: defining maxstay=0 as "you can stay for exactly no time at all" and making most of the existing data wrong? Or saying maxstay=0 means maxstay=default and should hence not be mapped at all in most

Re: [Tagging] shared planter where you can harvest for free

2019-07-06 Thread joost schouppe
I like your suggestion, Jason. Also, indeed I meant the operator of this specific thing is a person, not "let's change the definition of operator=*" :) Op vr 5 jul. 2019 21:28 schreef Jmapb via Tagging : > On 7/5/2019 3:08 PM, Paul Allen wrote: > > I read joost's comment as "The operator of

Re: [Tagging] shared planter where you can harvest for free

2019-07-05 Thread joost schouppe
y some parcel assignment) >- garden:type=community ( >https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:garden:type) (with this one >you are close to what you are looking for, but it's not a garden... > > Yours, > > LeTopographeFou > > Le 04/07/2019 à 08:59, joost schouppe

[Tagging] shared planter where you can harvest for free

2019-07-04 Thread joost schouppe
ound a Google MyMaps and several umap instances with local gardens. Showing this community that you can "simply map them in OpenStreetMap" would be nice. But first a data model! -- Joost Schouppe OpenStreetMap <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/joost%20schouppe/> | Twitter <htt

[Tagging] micromapping complex level_crossing

2018-08-29 Thread joost schouppe
mapillary images available for the area. Given how much we like trains, I'm surprised I didn't find a solution straight away, so I'm probably missing something. -- Joost Schouppe OpenStreetMap <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/joost%20schouppe/> | Twitter <https://twitter.com/joostjakob>

Re: [Tagging] default access tag for driveways

2018-07-30 Thread joost schouppe
Op ma 30 jul. 2018 16:07 schreef Anton Klim : > Is there a reason to add access tags to the way, when you have a barrier > node that should already hold these tags (lift gate, bollard)? > Seems over complicated. > Then it might indeed not be necessary. These are very often not mapped or not even

Re: [Tagging] default access tag for driveways

2018-07-30 Thread joost schouppe
So I think I can safely conclude that driveway does not imply any access restrictions by itself, and that a private or destination tag is to be welcomed, depending on the context. But it only really mathers if the way is connected to the road network in two places. I'll adapt the wiki to

[Tagging] default access tag for driveways

2018-07-27 Thread joost schouppe
more guidance about the access tag for this specific road type. (this has probably been discussed before, but I couldn't find something relevant) -- Joost Schouppe OpenStreetMap <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/joost%20schouppe/> | Twitter <https://twitter.com/joostjakob> | Linked

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - pruning (tree management styel)

2018-06-13 Thread joost schouppe
h a way that it can easily be extended towards other tree > styles. > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/pruning > > -- > Joost Schouppe > OpenStreetMap <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/joost%20schouppe/> | > Twitter <https://

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - Dog poop area (dog_toilet)

2018-06-12 Thread joost schouppe
Nobody but me voted yet, so I did some more cleaning of the page. There was still a mention of potty_area and there were some suggested extra tags that are unnecessary because they already exist in some form. ___ Tagging mailing list

[Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - Dog poop area (dog_toilet)

2018-06-10 Thread joost schouppe
I've removed the reference to "pets", however in the real world dog toilets are the actual thing and any pet willing to use it is allowed. So I' don't really see the problem. The four options could be moved somewhere else; I just left them for reference. What should I do with them? I'd hate to

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Dog poop area (dog_toilet)

2018-06-10 Thread joost schouppe
/Dog_Poop_Area -- Joost Schouppe OpenStreetMap <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/joost%20schouppe/> | Twitter <https://twitter.com/joostjakob> | LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/pub/joost-schouppe/48/939/603> | Meetup <http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Bel

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - pruning (tree management styel)

2018-06-10 Thread joost schouppe
other tree styles. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/pruning -- Joost Schouppe OpenStreetMap <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/joost%20schouppe/> | Twitter <https://twitter.com/joostjakob> | LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/pub/joost-schouppe/48/939/603> | M

Re: [Tagging] reviving hollow way

2018-02-19 Thread joost schouppe
Some of the most used historical tags are for things that are just old, not necessarily disused or with another use than the original one. Wayside cross and shrine, monuments, memorials, castles etc. It just seems to signify a special relationship with history, not much more than that. But then

[Tagging] reviving hollow way

2018-02-19 Thread joost schouppe
the discussion first? Proposal page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/hollow_way -- Joost Schouppe OpenStreetMap <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/joost%20schouppe/> | Twitter <https://twitter.com/joostjakob> | LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/pub/joost-schouppe/48/93

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk-be] how to map a fr:talus?

2017-11-23 Thread joost schouppe
gt; > André. > > _______ > Talk-be mailing list > talk...@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > > -- Joost Schouppe OpenStreetMap <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/joost%20schouppe/> |

Re: [Tagging] confusing wiki on emergency

2017-10-31 Thread joost schouppe
solution for a > non-existant problem? Are there really many places which the emergency > services are explicitly legally prohibited from accessing? > > Adam > > On 31 October 2017 at 09:00, joost schouppe <joost.schou...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi Mateusz, >> &

Re: [Tagging] confusing wiki on emergency

2017-10-31 Thread joost schouppe
onfusing and unusual prefix (it is not > like OSM tagging scheme requires more confusing things) and changing all > pages on wiki describing this tag. > > Just fix the bad link, separate section four meaning as an access tag > makes sense. > > On 30 Oct 2017 11:08 a.m., "joost

[Tagging] confusing wiki on emergency

2017-10-30 Thread joost schouppe
=*, and then make a new wiki page about access:emergency ? Or would it be enough to add a section to the emergency=* wiki page to explain that it can ALSO be used as an implied access:emergency tag? -- Joost Schouppe OpenStreetMap <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/joost%20schouppe/> | Twitter

Re: [Tagging] Access by permit

2017-09-21 Thread joost schouppe
I mentioned two different situations where access=permit would also be the most logical tag: - access to a Low Emission Zone - access to certain roads in cities (e.g. this road is accesible to certain motor_vehicle if they ask for a permit: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/25728312) It would be

Re: [Tagging] Access by permit

2017-09-18 Thread joost schouppe
Kevin, What I wanted to make clear before is that you are not the only one who thinks access=permit could be useful. Also, don't make the mistake of conflating tagging and OSM-in-general opinion. That said, even if this hivemind of ours (and let me add to that "one of us, one of us, one of us")

Re: [Tagging] Access by permit

2017-09-18 Thread joost schouppe
> Is access by permit not permissive access? No. According to the wiki permissive means "Open to general traffic until such time as the owner revokes the permission which they are legally allowed to do at any time in the future.", while permit means almost the opposite: "closed except for people

Re: [Tagging] Access by permit

2017-09-18 Thread joost schouppe
In Gent, Belgium, they would also have liked to use access=permit. There are some new situations there where you need a local government permit to pass certain "breakpoints" within the city. In the end, they used access=private because it was the tagging style that would be most useful to people

Re: [Tagging] electrical cattle grid

2017-09-10 Thread joost schouppe
My dog agrees it's evil (I didn't know these things existed until the poor beast walked on it). barrier=cattle_grid + cattle_grid=electric is almost exactly what I used, so that sounds reasonable ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

[Tagging] electrical cattle grid

2017-09-09 Thread joost schouppe
Hi, I don't seem to be able to find an alternative for the electrical equivalent to barrier=cattle_grid. So basically some metal plating on the ground, which give electrical shocks to barefeet animals (and humans). Any ideas? -- Joost Schouppe OpenStreetMap <http://www.openstreetmap.org/u

Re: [Tagging] shop=fashion

2017-08-30 Thread joost schouppe
ified has been largely lost. A good example would be village_green. But that is not necessarily a problem, as it is the wiki that explains what a thing is, and not just the tag. Of course nobody is saying we should only map things where a British-English word can be found. -- Joost Schouppe ___

[Tagging] many tiny zoo

2017-05-29 Thread joost schouppe
as something within a zoo. So here I'm left confused... -- Joost Schouppe OpenStreetMap <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/joost%20schouppe/> | Twitter <https://twitter.com/joostjakob> | LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/pub/joost-schouppe/48/939/603> | Meetup <http://www.mee

Re: [Tagging] knotted willows

2017-02-17 Thread joost schouppe
=* could then be used to indicate who is keeping the tree pruned. Maybe tree:pruning_style would be more logical? 2017-02-11 13:34 GMT+01:00 Wolfgang Zenker <wolfg...@lyxys.ka.sub.org>: > Hi, > > * joost schouppe <joost.schou...@gmail.com> [170211 09:43]: > > One of t

[Tagging] knotted willows

2017-02-11 Thread joost schouppe
previous discussions anywhere) natural=tree genus=Salix + management_style=knotted Or something like that? Apparently there's two words in Dutch: - knotwilg: knotted at about 2 meters high - grienden: knotted at a hight of maximum 50 cm -- Joost Schouppe OpenStreetMap <http://www.opens

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - dog toilets

2017-02-06 Thread joost schouppe
I got some more comments off-list (and some of them tried mailing this list without being a member, but there seems to be no admin around to allow their contribution). Is it possible to have a vote on number 1 (amenity=dog_toilet) -versus- number 4 (amenity=pet_toilet)? Most people I contacted

Re: [Tagging] Non-geometrical ways in boundary relations

2017-01-26 Thread joost schouppe
ogical reason why this townhall should not be added to >>> the boundary relation as a way. That was proposed on the wiki >>> discussion page a few months ago. >>> >> > > _______ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@op

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - dog toilets

2017-01-20 Thread joost schouppe
(dogs) urinate and excrete. Unlike dog_park label, the main objective of the area is not that dogs play. It is usually small and fenced areas, but can also just be a designated patch of grass by the side of the road. It is known as pee-can in some countries. Joost Schouppe OpenStreetMap <h

Re: [Tagging] zero waste

2017-01-19 Thread joost schouppe
:50, Greg Troxel <g...@lexort.com> wrote: >> > >> > certification:zero-waste.org=yes >> >> >> +1 > > > +1 > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstre

Re: [Tagging] shop=fuel

2017-01-18 Thread joost schouppe
2017-01-18 15:33 GMT+01:00 Dave Swarthout : > This tag started out being for a very specific type of shop that sells > only one item, motor fuel, in small volume containers. There is a need to > keep shops of this type separate from large full-service facilities that >

Re: [Tagging] shop=fuel

2017-01-18 Thread joost schouppe
> There are general stores (shop= ) that sell fuel too ... Well, that goes for any product and any shop. While your suggestion does make sense, we already have a long list of shop types. No one made this particular suggestion during the fuel-shop discussion (unless I'm mistaken). But it is true

[Tagging] zero waste

2017-01-17 Thread joost schouppe
facilities/certification-program/ -- Joost Schouppe OpenStreetMap <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/joost%20schouppe/> | Twitter <https://twitter.com/joostjakob> | LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/pub/joost-schouppe/48/939/603> | Meetup <http://www.meetup.com/OpenStr

[Tagging] shop=fuel

2017-01-16 Thread joost schouppe
use a subtag instead: shop=fuel + fuel:[whatever gas]=yes -- Joost Schouppe OpenStreetMap <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/joost%20schouppe/> | Twitter <https://twitter.com/joostjakob> | LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/pub/joost-schouppe/48/939/603> | Meetup <http://www

Re: [Tagging] dog toilets

2016-11-21 Thread joost schouppe
cture, it's more like a suggested area to let your > animals do their thing. But I suppose an extra tag would do there? > > 2016-11-10 1:19 GMT+01:00 John Willis <jo...@mac.com>: > >> >> On 9 Nov 2016, at 11:24 PM, joost schouppe <joost.schou...@gmail.com> >

Re: [Tagging] Proper way to tag highways located in "dangerous" areas

2016-11-16 Thread joost schouppe
hase (for example, tag every highway > > that is inside these areas with any needed/wanted property). > > > > Comments, please? > > > > ___ > > Tagging mailing list > > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > >

Re: [Tagging] dog toilets

2016-11-10 Thread joost schouppe
0 1:19 GMT+01:00 John Willis <jo...@mac.com>: > > On 9 Nov 2016, at 11:24 PM, joost schouppe <joost.schou...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Many cities have special little areas which are specifically meant to be > used as a toilet area for dogs. > > > Sounds like

[Tagging] dog toilets

2016-11-09 Thread joost schouppe
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Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] non-temporary usage of highway=road

2016-09-27 Thread joost schouppe
Just had a quick look here in Belgium: we have over a 1000 ways with this tag. This makes it easy to count in your area of interest: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/iBC ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Routing in Liège (consulting Michelin)

2016-09-21 Thread joost schouppe
It wouldn't be hard to prove if this conversation is in the public domain. In the original question, the data use looks much more direct than using it as a source for directed surveying. And it does look like even this is expressly forbidden by the user terms of the mentioned website.

Re: [Tagging] Routing in Liège (consulting Michelin)

2016-09-21 Thread joost schouppe
for. 2016-09-21 12:05 GMT+02:00 Dave F <davefoxfa...@btinternet.com>: > > On 21/09/2016 07:51, joost schouppe wrote: > >> >> Using copyrighted material to spot errors in OSM is still copyright >> violation (well, a specialist in copyright should confirm that). >&

Re: [Tagging] Routing in Liège (consulting Michelin)

2016-09-21 Thread joost schouppe
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Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk-be] using Michelin's road classification (was: Routing in Liège)

2016-09-17 Thread joost schouppe
> > I did not investigate further (I'm short sighted indeed) but I suggest > that anyone contesting an OSM route compared it with the same routing by > Michelin, tried to find an explanation by comparing my overpass >

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk-be] Michelin info

2016-09-16 Thread joost schouppe
Maybe we can talk publicly about doing something similar with open data?(wegenregister, GRB, etc.) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] reviving an abandoned proposal

2016-07-21 Thread joost schouppe
tinfo/tagging > -- Joost @ Openstreetmap <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/joost%20schouppe/> | Twitter <https://twitter.com/joostjakob> | LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/pub/joost-schouppe/48/939/603> | Meetup <http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Belgium/members/97979802/> ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] reviving an abandoned proposal

2016-07-20 Thread joost schouppe
] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/hollow_way [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal_process -- Joost @ Openstreetmap <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/joost%20schouppe/> | Twitter <https://twitter.com/joostjakob> | LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/pub/jo

Re: [Tagging] do aerodromes need a relation?

2016-04-18 Thread joost schouppe
> About your proposed use of a relation with a label as node: This is > strongly opposed by map style editors and the "label" role was removed > by me from the (proposed) site relation because of this. > I was unaware of this. Thanks for clearing that up. Can you refer me to the arguments for

[Tagging] building=yes for multiple building

2016-03-19 Thread joost schouppe
. There are a couple of "multiple" values too, which make sense, but is undocumented and maybe overly precise. -- Joost @ Openstreetmap <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/joost%20schouppe/> | Twitter <https://twitter.com/joostjakob> | LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/pub/

Re: [Tagging] Tagging "you pick" farms and related fruit stands

2016-03-07 Thread joost schouppe
e beyond that. > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > -- Joost @ Openstreetmap <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/joost%20schouppe/> | Twitter <

Re: [Tagging] how to tag a salt flat

2015-09-30 Thread joost schouppe
cover in a wood. So natural=salt_flat might be worthy of existing. 2015-09-30 0:39 GMT+02:00 André Pirard <a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com>: > On 2015-09-29 17:29, joost schouppe wrote : > > Hi, > > I haven't found much about the subject. A salt flat is a large deposit of &g

[Tagging] how to tag a salt flat

2015-09-29 Thread joost schouppe
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