Re: [Tagging] Tagging venues which give away free condoms?

2020-02-21 Thread marc marc
or in stead of a full list of =yes do the same as with vending=product1;product2 with a key like giving=* offering=* Le 21.02.20 à 13:30, Florimond Berthoux a écrit : > Hi, > > condom=yes > condom:fee=no > > (condom is available here) > (free condom, yeah!) > > As I suggested in the free

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

2020-02-20 Thread marc marc
Le 20.02.20 à 12:45, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > Can't we have an easy to use top-level feature tag, instead of having > to add 3 tags like amenity=taxi + motorcar=no + motorcycle=yes to > define one very common, unique feature? did we need to have a top-level feature for every "unique"

Re: [Tagging] decide on a meaning for what is not documented [way: Expressway=yes/no versus new tags "dual_carriageway=yes/no", "limited_access=", "grade_separated"=?]

2020-02-20 Thread marc marc
Hello, Le 20.02.20 à 07:41, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > I've created a page for Key:dual_carriageway based on existing usage > in the database: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:dual_carriageway how did you proceed? is the tag added by only one contributor to whom you asked the question

Re: [Tagging] Tagging the presence or absence of signs for surveillance cameras

2020-02-19 Thread marc marc
Le 19.02.20 à 04:29, Victor/tuxayo a écrit : > Coincidentally there was a recent discussion[2] about these signs in the > french mailing list (talk-fr) which lead to adding the following section > in the page > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made=surveillance I warn that this

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.25.0

2020-02-07 Thread marc marc
On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 10:26, Christoph Hormann wrote: > it would make a lot of sense for OSM-Carto to stop indicating this is valid > tagging. it would make more sense to 1) decide what a valid/ideal schema is. 2) decide what a invalid/bad schema is. 3) making sure that the new schema is at

Re: [Tagging] barrier=hedge

2020-02-07 Thread marc marc
Le 07.02.20 à 13:59, Peter Elderson a écrit : > intentionally mapped hedge areas. Not leisure/natural/landuse etc. https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Qwl exclude it ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Relation for multi-part artworks

2020-02-06 Thread marc marc
Le 06.02.20 à 13:20, Andy Mabbett a écrit : > We could use relation_type:set why not using relation type=site that already exist ? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - give box

2020-02-05 Thread marc marc
the proposals (I'm talking generally, not just about this one) have often 2 flaws: - often too big (not this one) - often rfc too short, even active people still have remarks to make that the vote is already open, so they are stuck to sink the proposal (with the risk that its author gets

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.25.0

2020-02-05 Thread marc marc
Le 05.02.20 à 22:08, Christoph Hormann a écrit : > (either 'invalid', '1d barrier' or '2d barrier'): Here is my view AND I known that osm consensus is not that : > closed way, barrier=fence 1d barrier > closed way, barrier=fence, area=yes 2d barrier > closed way, barrier=fence,

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Carto release v4.25.0

2020-02-05 Thread marc marc
Le 05.02.20 à 18:41, Andy Townsend a écrit : > On 05/02/2020 17:24, Christoph Hormann wrote: > About the "removing tags where they may clash" point > "if something is mapped as a brewery and also as > tourist attraction, remove the tourist attraction tags if osm-carto goal is to trying to give a

[Tagging] the current situation of camp_site=camp_pitch

2020-02-01 Thread marc marc
Hello, Some time ago, the proposal of tourism=camp_pitch was approved in order to respect/return to the initial meaning of camp_site=* (the level of infrastructure of a tourism=camp_site). This involved a lot of work in reviewing site by site existing objects to migrate them to the new scheme.

Re: [Tagging] road names and refs

2020-01-31 Thread marc marc
Le 30.01.20 à 23:51, Warin a écrit : > comment=local name is used verbally, not on signs as yet.' unsigned=name or unsigned=yes ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate healthcare=pharmacy and healthcare=hospital

2020-01-28 Thread marc marc
Le 28.01.20 à 13:45, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > I think it would be reasonable to show healthcare=pharmacy, > healthcare=hospital, healthcare=dentist and healthcare=doctor as > discouraged and unnecessary in the wiki. you take 2 tags out of their context, these 2 tags have their logic in the

Re: [Tagging] Disputed territory mapped as a country

2020-01-27 Thread marc marc
Le 27.01.20 à 17:07, Захаренков Алексей a écrit : > https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10629103 > Me and the changeset author could not come to agreement nobody ca have an agreement with him. that isn't a country there. if p_v doesn't stop, ask DWG for a ban

[Tagging] a kind of name:XX-modern-not-used

2020-01-23 Thread marc marc
Hello, some words in the name of some street is not understood by some people. these are often old notations, sometimes borrowed from another language but used in the official language to name this street. street sign have those "one-name-but-in-mixed-language" and only that. a contributor

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-20 Thread marc marc
I'm using operation_status when I see a such one. and I'm trying to survey again later to see if it was a temporary problem or if it's disused: but to switch to disused: if there's no water on the day of the survey, I think that's excessive. Le 20.01.20 à 15:59, European Water Project a écrit : >

Re: [Tagging] building=disused

2020-01-17 Thread marc marc
Le 17.01.20 à 02:49, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : >>> I'm unsure why Carto ignores such a popular tagging scheme. >>> >> Is it actually popular? > > The place to request changed to Openstreetmap-carto is > http://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues > > According to taginfo, there

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tax free shopping

2020-01-17 Thread marc marc
Le 17.01.20 à 12:48, Hauke Stieler a écrit : > A shop at an airport where travelers generally pay no taxes would be > tagged with "duty_free=yes" and optionally with "duty_free:refund=no". > > I hope this also makes sense to you. no, sorry. I don't see the advantage of using 2 keys when only one

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tax free shopping

2020-01-17 Thread marc marc
Le 17.01.20 à 01:32, Hauke Stieler a écrit : >> I see 3 levels : >> the customer doesn't pay the tax duty_free=yes >> the customer pay the tax but the shop help for a refund >> the customer pay the tax and the shop doesn't help a refund duty_free=no > > Exactly, this is the basic idea for the

Re: [Tagging] Disused/abandoned bunkers (was Re: building=disused)

2020-01-17 Thread marc marc
Le 17.01.20 à 09:58, Marc Gemis a écrit : > abandoned:military=bunker > + building=bunker that look fine for me. > Not sure about the ruins:building I have never yet seen a building=bunker in ruins because of the mass of concrete used, but if structurally one of them is a ruin and not a bunker

Re: [Tagging] Question about capacity:*=* on parking_space

2020-01-17 Thread marc marc
Le 17.01.20 à 09:36, Lionel Giard a écrit : > What do you think about this? keep simple. if a parking space is only for disabled ppl with access restriction, why not using capacity=* on it ? it's not wrong but useless to use namespace capacity:disable=* in this case. especially since

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tax free shopping

2020-01-16 Thread marc marc
Le 17.01.20 à 00:51, Hauke Stieler a écrit : >> about : duty_free:refund=yes >> is it an intermediate level between duty_free=yes and duty_free=no ? >> if yes, wouldn't it be better to use duty_free=limited ? > I wouldn't say "duty_free:refund=yes" is something in between > "duty_free=yes" and

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tax free shopping

2020-01-16 Thread marc marc
about : duty_free:refund=yes is it an intermediate level between duty_free=yes and duty_free=no ? if yes, wouldn't it be better to use duty_free=limited ? about "global_blue" and the following : what is that ? maybe add a link. Le 16.01.20 à 21:28, Hauke Stieler a écrit : > Hi, > > just a

Re: [Tagging] was: on poi (was: building=disused)

2020-01-16 Thread marc marc
, Dave F via Tagging a écrit : > Well. Done. You. On 16/01/2020 12:01, marc marc wrote:> you want me to believe that every time an object has gone, Le 16.01.20 à 14:26, Dave F via Tagging a écrit : > It's not gone. We're talking about buildings I have put back above the line to whic

Re: [Tagging] building=disused

2020-01-16 Thread marc marc
Le 16.01.20 à 12:53, Dave F via Tagging a écrit : > On 16/01/2020 11:34, marc marc wrote: >> I'm also using was: because I don't care > > Well. Done. You. you want me to believe that every time an object has gone, you make an enquiry to find out how it disappeared ? I did this a

Re: [Tagging] building=disused

2020-01-16 Thread marc marc
I'm also using was: because I don't care and often don't known if a poi is destroyed, dismantled, demolished, moved, the only thing I can see is that it's gone. f.e. a room whose store type has changed doesn't fit my description of disused: Le 16.01.20 à 12:16, Dave F via Tagging a écrit : >

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-16 Thread marc marc
Le 16.01.20 à 02:52, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > The simple "seasonal=yes/no" is at least clear, though with natural > features "intermittent=yes/no" is more common and has a similar > meaning. I see a big difference between the two: an intermittent water point provides water today but not

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-15 Thread marc marc
Le 15.01.20 à 16:15, Jmapb via Tagging a écrit : > On 1/15/2020 12:55 AM, European Water Project wrote: >> Would it be appropriate to use the tag "seasonal" for a water fountain >> (whether tagged as "amenity=drinking_water" or "amenity = fountain and >> drinking_water = yes" )? > > Don't forget

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-15 Thread marc marc
Le 15.01.20 à 06:55, European Water Project a écrit : > Would it be appropriate to use the tag "seasonal" for a water fountain yes I think so. I'm going to check/survey the nearby fountains: some are closed in winter but don't have a precise opening/closing date.

Re: [Tagging] distance_from_road tag

2020-01-15 Thread marc marc
Of course this tag is a bad idea, which duplicates existing information in osm and is therefore a source of conflict when one of the 2 data is capitalized and not the other one. if not, what next ? distance_from_bus_stop ? distance_from_tram_stop train station pub supermarket postoffice town

Re: [Tagging] Deleting template parameters copied to data items

2020-01-15 Thread marc marc
Le 15.01.20 à 12:49, Mateusz Konieczny a écrit : > Anyone with opinion on that topic is welcomed to comment in this > discussion on the OSM Wiki. I'm very unhappy with that. some tools use wiki and not data items (for ex taginfo) doing that destroy usefull information. in fact I'm unhappy with

Re: [Tagging] building=disused

2020-01-15 Thread marc marc
Le 15.01.20 à 05:15, Warin a écrit : > On 15/1/20 6:32 am, marc marc wrote: >> Le 14.01.20 à 19:34, Markus a écrit : >>> If i understand it correctly, building=* values describe how the >>> building looks, not how it is used. For example, a church that is now >

Re: [Tagging] building=disused

2020-01-14 Thread marc marc
Le 14.01.20 à 19:34, Markus a écrit : > If i understand it correctly, building=* values describe how the > building looks, not how it is used. For example, a church that is now > used as a pub still remains a building=church. I fully agree with that. note that building:use may record the current

Re: [Tagging] How to revive a tag proposal?

2020-01-14 Thread marc marc
Le 14.01.20 à 18:33, António Madeira via Tagging a écrit : > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/olive_oil_mill > What can I do to revive this proposal and implement this tag? for small changes : check taginfo if another tag/value exist with the same meaning. check if the most

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars, restaurant

2020-01-14 Thread marc marc
> free_water:container = bring_your_own is very explicit. but "provided" or "establishment" is ambiguous. from my experience, drinking a free glass of water in a cafe is not at all the same as receiving a container filled with water (I have never encountered this case). so the choice should be

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Free Water for cafés, bars, restaurant

2020-01-14 Thread marc marc
Le 14.01.20 à 10:00, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > if you have to buy something in order to get "free" water, > it isn't free, is it? It's included. you're right, I often make that remark in everyday life. but in osm terminology, how would you inform the private and free swimming pool for

Re: [Tagging] recreational vs functional routes

2020-01-11 Thread marc marc
Le 11.01.20 à 21:05, Florimond Berthoux a écrit : > What do you think ? avoid the word "type" in a key as it as no additional meaning. type can be everything (type of operator, difficulty, use, length, ...) ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Rare route values route=inline_skates and route=running

2020-01-11 Thread marc marc
Le 11.01.20 à 06:21, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > The tag route=inline_skates > Are there actually signed, verifiable inline skate routes? yes > Should a rare tag like this be in Map Features? listing all the rare cases on maps feature is like turning it into a wiki search engine or a taginfo

Re: [Tagging] addresses on buildings

2020-01-09 Thread marc marc
Le 06.01.20 à 08:47, Florian Lohoff a écrit : > If you have HUGE Buildings i use a node with an address. it's amazing the difference in usage. I find that addr nodes are very problematic for hudge buildings like shopping malls or train stations. the localisation of the node forces the routing to

Re: [Tagging] surface=block_paved, or surface=paved + paving=block

2020-01-08 Thread marc marc
why it isn't a paving_stones ? the max height ? I ask myself how and how many mappers 'll see a diff. Le 08.01.20 à 22:36, Mateusz Konieczny a écrit : > Is following picture > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Paving_being_laid_arp.jpg > depicting construction of surface=paving_stones? > >

Re: [Tagging] Cycle boxes for two-stage left turns

2020-01-08 Thread marc marc
Le 08.01.20 à 05:10, Marc Gemis a écrit : > On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 10:30 PM marc marc wrote: >> >> Le 06.01.20 à 04:19, Jarek Piórkowski a écrit : >>> Comments most welcome! >> >> keep it simple ! >> advanced stop box only use a cycleway=asl without relat

Re: [Tagging] amenity=tourist_bus_parking

2020-01-07 Thread marc marc
Le 06.01.20 à 03:24, John Willis via Tagging a écrit : > parking=tourism > parking=disabled > parking=loading_dock > parking=taxi > parking=waiting_lot that conflit with the current meaning : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:parking parking=surface/underground/roof top would have looked

Re: [Tagging] recreational vs functional routes

2020-01-07 Thread marc marc
Le 07.01.20 à 20:21, joost schouppe a écrit : > function=recreational/practical usage=tourism/transport ? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Cycle boxes for two-stage left turns

2020-01-07 Thread marc marc
Le 06.01.20 à 04:19, Jarek Piórkowski a écrit : > Comments most welcome! keep it simple ! advanced stop box only use a cycleway=asl without relation https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:cycleway%3Dasl a single node is not enought ? ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] relation types: circuit proposal and an alternative

2020-01-07 Thread marc marc
Le 07.01.20 à 20:58, Richard Welty a écrit : > a profound lack of interest > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Relations/Proposed/Circuit maybe it's due to the funny url for a propal moving it at the right place may help ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] ISO3166-1 key documentation [was:Tagging for emojis names]

2020-01-07 Thread marc marc
Le 07.01.20 à 13:40, Jeroen Hoek a écrit : > using the exsiting ISO3166-1:alpha2 all those ISO3166-1* key doesn't have a wiki page. if the key is fine (I find it ugly as a top level key), it could be a good idea to write a small sheet about them. ___

Re: [Tagging] depreciate recycling:metal in favor of recycling:scrap_metal

2020-01-06 Thread marc marc
Le 06.01.20 à 04:48, Paul Johnson a écrit : > Domestic refuse metals like metal packaging from consumer products > (think like, food and beverage cans), something that you can typically > drop off at your average grocery store parking lot recycling center.  As > opposed to scrap metal, which is

Re: [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

2020-01-05 Thread marc marc
Le 06.01.20 à 01:28, Tomek a écrit : > W dniu 20-01-06 o 00:24, marc marc pisze: >> are you planning a mechanical edit ? > NE, mi volas redakti ĉiun punkton aparte. editing one by one, doesn't solve the the mechanical issue, mechanical isn't about the size of the changeset, it's about

Re: [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

2020-01-05 Thread marc marc
Le 05.01.20 à 23:25, Tomek a écrit : > I plan to remove the "name" and "wikipedia" tags from places > that are not associated with a specific nation or language: > Please support (vote) my proposal or write a reason why not. are you planning a mechanical edit ? if yes, you misunderstood

[Tagging] depreciate recycling:metal in favor of recycling:scrap_metal

2019-12-31 Thread marc marc
Hello, https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/18152 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Drecycling the wiki describe recycling:metal as "ll sorts of metal – possible duplicate of more frequently used recycling:scrap_metal; see below." the wiki doesn't describe recycling:scrap_metal

Re: [Tagging] Public WLAN boxes

2019-12-29 Thread marc marc
Le 29.12.19 à 21:50, bkil a écrit : > fee=no @ register with an Italian phone number it seems to indicate that it's fee=yes if you don't register, which doesn't seem to fit with what you're saying. I prefer : internet_access:fee=customers (you need to be a customer of it... some use access for

Re: [Tagging] Business names in capital letters

2019-12-29 Thread marc marc
Le 29.12.19 à 22:23, bkil a écrit : > What do you think about these? if the value is an abbreviation, then it's a short_name (but brand doesn't have a short_brand key, in this case it's normal to put the abbreviation in uppercase in brand=*) if the value is not an abbreviation, I will use the

Re: [Tagging] Tag for "tax free shopping"

2019-12-24 Thread marc marc
Hello, boith tags look fine, except the unneeded use of a namespace duty_free= (already exist 6 time) tax_refund= Regards, Marc Le 23.12.19 à 21:25, Hauke Stieler a écrit : > Hi all, > > so I think of creating/establishing two new tags: > > shop:duty_free= > -> Shops in airports where nobody

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

2019-12-22 Thread marc marc
. 2019 om 15:31 heeft marc marc het volgende geschreven: >> >> I always thought that routrip=yes was an alternative when there is no >> start and end point to enter in from=* to=* key. >> Otherwise circular routes with a known start/en

Re: [Tagging] Roundtrip and closed loop in relations

2019-12-21 Thread marc marc
I always thought that routrip=yes was an alternative when there is no start and end point to enter in from=* to=* key. Otherwise circular routes with a known start/end point can enter as from=A via=B to=A. ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Public WLAN boxes

2019-12-20 Thread marc marc
Le 20.12.19 à 15:47, Cascafico Giovanni a écrit : > > > Il mer 18 dic 2019, 16:48 Tom Pfeifer ha scritto: > > > The 'box' would contain a full access point and not just the > antenna, thus I'd prefer not to tag the > antenna alone. > > > So how to tag the whole hardware? > Shall

Re: [Tagging] Vegan "cheese" shops

2019-12-18 Thread marc marc
Le 18.12.19 à 17:24, Philip Barnes a écrit : > On Wednesday, 18 December 2019, marc marc wrote: >> Le 18.12.19 à 16:58, Robert Skedgell a écrit : >>> I think creating shop=vegan_cheese might be excessively specialised. >>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6776593885

Re: [Tagging] Vegan "cheese" shops

2019-12-18 Thread marc marc
Le 18.12.19 à 16:58, Robert Skedgell a écrit : > I think creating shop=vegan_cheese might be excessively specialised. > https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6776593885 ho yes, please don't create a new shop=* only to describe that the shop had a limited number of products. you may add

Re: [Tagging] Barrier=berm

2019-11-28 Thread marc marc
On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 at 17:58, Jan Michel wrote: > the purpose of the berm - e.g. berm = noise_barrier usage=* may fit the need ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] How to correctly name a forest

2019-11-27 Thread marc marc
Le 27.11.19 à 22:35, s8evq a écrit : > 1) Add a node approximately in the middle of the forest with the name tag > together with place=locality > 3) Draw a new way around the outline of the forest and put the name tag on > that. The problem with this approach is that you need an additional main

Re: [Tagging] Foot or foot.cycle crossing

2019-11-27 Thread marc marc
Le 27.11.19 à 17:42, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : >> On 27. Nov 2019, at 17:36, marc marc wrote: >> >> I don't see a physical séparator between the road and the sidewalk >> so it's controversial to separate these different lanes into several ways > > afaik the hi

Re: [Tagging] Foot or foot.cycle crossing

2019-11-27 Thread marc marc
Le 27.11.19 à 16:11, Volker Schmidt a écrit : > I do have a topological problem with the mapping of a junction of two > roads one of which has parallel cycle lanesa and sidewalks > Both are correctly mapped: the sidewalk as a separate highwy=footway I don't see a physical séparator between the

Re: [Tagging] Long term detour routes ?(construction, disaster)

2019-11-25 Thread marc marc
Le 24.11.19 à 21:51, Kevin Kenny a écrit : > the damaged roads are still signed with the route numbers ref on way + relation for the real (= in use) route ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Long term detour routes ?(construction, disaster)

2019-11-24 Thread marc marc
Le 24.11.19 à 04:32, John Willis via Tagging a écrit : > Levees have construction projects that can be years in length (building > a new sluice gate, enlarging the levee), and the route is detoured > around this construction. if the itinerary is modified for years, I would modify the main

Re: [Tagging] Several different boxes on the same pole

2019-11-22 Thread marc marc
Le 21.11.19 à 22:51, François Lacombe a écrit : > Those two boxes will be hard to describe on the same node, although they > can be located on the same pole. > Should we recommend to put as many nodes as required around the pole or > choose another option? the easiest way to use the data is to

Re: [Tagging] Real time in public transport

2019-11-19 Thread marc marc
Le 19.11.19 à 13:22, A A a écrit : > What do you think about the possibility of standardizing the use of > a url in "departures_board" or "passenger_information_display" tags to > be able to report arrival times in real time at a stop or train / subway > / bus station? yes.

Re: [Tagging] Proposed features, toll (3/5)

2019-11-11 Thread marc marc
Le 11.11.19 à 23:13, Herbert Allmeier a écrit : > Country tags: There is no worldwide toll system. the same apply for parking : no the same-for-all-parking exist but we still avoid using a country code to said that all parking in this country use somethink specific to this country. the same

Re: [Tagging] emergency=ambulance_station vs amenity=fire_station

2019-11-11 Thread marc marc
Le 11.11.19 à 15:44, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > decide which tags under `emergency=` should be treated as polygons > when mapped as closed ways is this information not already present on the wiki pages? for example https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aemergency%3Dambulance_station

Re: [Tagging] Traffic Signs "pushing bicycle not allowed here"

2019-11-08 Thread marc marc
Le 08.11.19 à 16:16, Mateusz Konieczny a écrit : > 7 Nov 2019, 14:39 by marc_marc_...@hotmail.com: >> Le 07.11.19 à 14:01, Andy Townsend a écrit : >>> you won't see a unique sign that identifies "you can't cycle here" >> an good pratice rule is "don't map the legislation", isn't

Re: [Tagging] Traffic Signs "pushing bicycle not allowed here"

2019-11-07 Thread marc marc
Le 07.11.19 à 14:01, Andy Townsend a écrit : > you won't see a unique sign that identifies "you can't cycle here" an good pratice rule is "don't map the legislation", isn't it ?? no sign ? thus no tag on the way at most a default value in the wiki or on the boundary.

Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

2019-11-07 Thread marc marc
Hello, Le 06.11.19 à 19:55, Mark Wagner a écrit : > There are places like federal Wilderness Areas in the United States > where possession of a bicycle is forbidden can you share the a picture of this traffic sign ? Regards, Marc ___ Tagging mailing

Re: [Tagging] amenity=hospital on things that are not hospitals - is it a good idea?

2019-10-28 Thread marc marc
Le 28.10.19 à 09:44, Mateusz Konieczny a écrit : > "sign having a hospital icon and no name can simply be tagged > type=destination_sign + amenity=hospital" > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:destination_sign Yes it's horrible the next line said destination:symbol=hospital it's

Re: [Tagging] tagging extremely large flood control features.

2019-10-25 Thread marc marc
Le 25.10.19 à 20:29, John Willis via Tagging a écrit : > >> On Oct 25, 2019, at 10:53 AM, Joseph Eisenberg >> wrote: >> >> The value should have something that suggests that it will be flooded. >> I would think of "flood_mitigation" as something like a levee or dyke >> which prevents flooding,

Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Access Aisle

2019-10-25 Thread marc marc
Hello, Le 24.10.19 à 21:12, Clifford Snow a écrit : > [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/access_aisle highway=footway is sometime (counry-specific) restricted to way with a traffic sign like the current one in its wiki page

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating mini_roundabout

2019-10-23 Thread marc marc
Le 23.10.19 à 11:35, Florian Lohoff a écrit : > You need to eliminate the node and replace it with a circular road a junction=roundabout is also allowed as a node https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/junction=roundabout so it's a bad rational to deprecate mini_roundabout

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (phone)

2019-10-21 Thread marc marc
Le 20.10.19 à 20:01, Valor Naram via Tagging a écrit : > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Discussions/tagging/contact:phone_or_phone is it a good idea and valid to open a vote with a url different from the conventions made for proposals? it makes it much less readable for the community

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Phone)

2019-10-08 Thread marc marc
Le 07.10.19 à 23:07, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > let’s bury the contact: - prefix in this case, be logical and also propose to bury the prefix addr: on the contrary, I believe that having a namespace to group the keys concerning the addr and another namespace to group the keys concerning

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Campsite properties

2019-09-17 Thread marc marc
Le 18.09.19 à 01:02, Paul Allen a écrit : > Those machines are generally available for use only by people > staying on the site (they could accept anyone, but usually do not).  How > are you going > to tag that?  We don't have access=campers access=private private=campers

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reusable packaging

2019-09-12 Thread marc marc
Le 12.09.19 à 13:52, Frederik Ramm a écrit : > A supermarket chain can introduce paper bags today, discontinue them > next week, and re-introduce plastic bags next month. in theory yes. in practice logistics chains probably change less quickly than the urbanization of agricultural land. if we

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reusable packaging

2019-09-12 Thread marc marc
they have to use one-use only bags > for hygienic reasons. > > > On 12/09/2019 12:29, marc marc wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Le 12.09.19 à 12:20, Antoine Jaury via Tagging a écrit : >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/reusable_

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reusable packaging

2019-09-12 Thread marc marc
Hello, Le 12.09.19 à 12:20, Antoine Jaury via Tagging a écrit : > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/reusable_packaging > Definition: Describes a shop accepting reusable containers from their > customers and/or proposing some it'sn't the same as

Re: [Tagging] "part:wikidata=*" tag proposal for multiple elements connected to the same wikidata id

2019-09-09 Thread marc marc
Le 09.09.19 à 16:18, Mateusz Konieczny a écrit : > > > > 9 Sep 2019, 15:14 by pella.s...@gmail.com: > > Imho:    the real problem, why we have multiple objects for > "name:*"   tags? ( admin_centre, label, relation, ... ) > > Label is an  attempt to manually > specify optimal place

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - Utility markers

2019-09-06 Thread marc marc
Le 06.09.19 à 12:17, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > placement(?)=soil / street location seems better and already exist https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key%3Alocation ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

[Tagging] craft=sculpter <> craft=sculptor

2019-08-30 Thread marc marc
Hello, does both have the same meaning ? I thought that sculter was a typo in french (the word is "sculteur" in french) but usage in french-speaking countries is very low, so that's not the explanation. Regards, Marc ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] New tag office=consulting was added to Map Features

2019-08-28 Thread marc marc
Le 28.08.19 à 11:19, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > New description is 'An office for a consulting firm, > providing expert professional advice to other companies." at least a tag to specify the activity should be provided, because with the current description, an accounting, IT security,

Re: [Tagging] landcover dune or land form dune

2019-08-26 Thread marc marc
Le 26.08.19 à 12:57, Warin a écrit : > Is there a requirement to go in to all of these wiki pages and explain > why the demotion of one over the other simply due to frequency of use > without consideration of other factors? I ask myself "what would we do if the other tag didn't exist ?" would

Re: [Tagging] Document personal tags in Proposed_features/ space, User: space, or Tag:/Key: space?

2019-08-25 Thread marc marc
Le 26.08.19 à 00:18, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > What should we do with a page like Tag:landcover=dunes? I already > tried adding a mention that natural=dune was more common and mentioned > on the Talk page that "dune" is a landform, not a landcover the first sentence on the wiki is enought to

Re: [Tagging] phone vs contact:phone WAS Re: Multiple tags for one purpose

2019-08-25 Thread marc marc
Le 25.08.19 à 17:42, Colin Smale a écrit : > Your model (using only phone=*) only allows an object to have a single > phone number. not true. phone=number1;number2 ex https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/26861282 18219 discint value for a total of 19694 count > one for general enquiries, one for

Re: [Tagging] phone vs contact:phone

2019-08-25 Thread marc marc
Le 25.08.19 à 16:55, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > What about deprecating the contact: prefix, at least for phone? not "AT LEAST FOR" that's the main issue ! having some contact with contact: prefix and some other without is a very bad idea. we need to switch all contact to key with contact:

Re: [Tagging] Multiple tags for one purpose

2019-08-24 Thread marc marc
Le 24.08.19 à 18:04, Valor Naram a écrit : > why we have two tags for one purpose sometimes? many (almost all bad) reasons can explain it : - one key exist, a new schema is born with a new tag for the same feature/meaning, but the new schema never got a proposal or the proposal never go into

Re: [Tagging] Was public_transport=platform intended to always be combined with highway=bus_stop?

2019-08-21 Thread marc marc
Le 21.08.19 à 09:58, Markus a écrit : > Otherwise, we need a new relation (maybe type=stop_position?) to > connect the stop position to the waiting area imho that's why stop_area relation exist ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Livestock=* to specify the livestock animals in a farmyard or meadow?

2019-08-19 Thread marc marc
Le 19.08.19 à 15:28, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : >>> The tag livestock=* >>> used 132 times >> >> 16% of landuse=farmyard have a animal=* tag. > > I think you misread taginfo. you're right. > If we remove the animal=yes tags in stead of a replay, can you explain why those valid datas need to be

Re: [Tagging] Livestock=* to specify the livestock animals in a farmyard or meadow?

2019-08-19 Thread marc marc
Le 19.08.19 à 13:34, Paul Allen a écrit : > On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 at 12:16, Warin wrote: >I like property tags that can be used anywhere appropriate. > > The authors of at least one editor disagree with you there. > Unless all of the possible > values are applicable to all objects for which

Re: [Tagging] Livestock=* to specify the livestock animals in a farmyard or meadow?

2019-08-19 Thread marc marc
Le 19.08.19 à 12:17, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > The tag animal=* has been 2137 times > animal=yes (unhelpful!) I wonder why it's useless. if the contributor does not know if they are cows or calves, this allows him to enter "there are farm animals there" and any application can easily target

Re: [Tagging] Route sorting

2019-08-15 Thread marc marc
Le 15.08.19 à 19:40, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > why would you not do it for roundabouts? when we split a building in several parts, we keep one building=* and use several building:part for roundabouts, the tag is the same. for the whole roundabouts and for part of it. So spliting one

Re: [Tagging] reservation<>booking (was: New property Key:walk-in for amenities like clinics, barbers, hair salons that offer walk-in appointments/service?)

2019-08-15 Thread marc marc
Le 15.08.19 à 16:28, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : >> On 15. Aug 2019, at 15:54, marc marc wrote: >> >> - keep booking=* for the few booking.com urls that currently exist > > IMHO we should not reserve tags named with a common word like „booking“ for a > commerci

Re: [Tagging] New property Key:walk-in for amenities like clinics, barbers, hair salons that offer walk-in appointments/service?

2019-08-15 Thread marc marc
Le 15.08.19 à 15:26, Dave F via Tagging a écrit : > How about using booking? > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key%3Abooking we talk a few days ago to : - move value used as in reservation=* into this tag to avoid duplicate tag with the same meaning - keep booking=* for the few booking.com

Re: [Tagging] Past discussions Was:Re: Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

2019-08-14 Thread marc marc
Le 14.08.19 à 02:00, Warin a écrit : > On 14/08/19 00:20, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >>> On 13. Aug 2019, at 16:02, Paul Allen wrote: >>> >>> Which diverged into this thread.  We've come full circle. >> you have to repeat and explain the outcome of older discussions >> to bring those on board

Re: [Tagging] Fruit stands and shops selling fresh fruits?

2019-08-10 Thread marc marc
Le 10.08.19 à 07:24, Warin a écrit : > the key produce=* could be used to detail what was sold a shop produce nothing. better to use vending=* ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Use of tag "import=yes" on objects, not changesets?

2019-08-09 Thread marc marc
resend with 2 corrected errors (in caps) Le 09.08.19 à 15:46, marc marc a écrit : > Le 09.08.19 à 15:32, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : >> I'm trying to figure out what this means > > it mean the contributeur doesn't understand changeset TAG > or understand it but find it more conv

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