[Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - Place of mourning (replacing "Chapel of rest")
Dear all, As already discussed, "place of mourning" seems to be a less bad label than "chapel of rest". Therefore please comment on the following new proposal: Place of mourning: a room or building where families and friends can come and view someone who has died, before their funeral Proposal page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Place_of_mourning Discussion page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Place_of_mourning Thanks! Vollis ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)
OK, so I haven't really done all the counting, but my impression is that amenity=place_of_mourning has quite some fans while most of the others are at least able to swallow it. Unless anyone explains me that I got that wrong, I think I'll move the proposal there then. Am 05.11.2020 09:43 schrieb woll...@posteo.de: Thanks for all the interventions. To avoid that the discussion becomes inconclusive again, could everybody rate the following "favourable", "acceptable" or "unfavourable"? amenity=mourning amenity=place_of_mourning amenity=mourning_room amenity=viewing_arrangements amenity=deceased_viewing Am 04.11.2020 11:17 schrieb woll...@posteo.de: Dear all, As there have been no more comments for some time on this proposal, I've set it to voting. Please have a look and vote: Chapel of rest: a room or building where families and friends can come and view someone who has died before their funeral Proposal page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Chapel_of_rest Discussion page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Chapel_of_rest Thanks! Vollis ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] religous bias - Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)
Thanks for all the interventions. To avoid that the discussion becomes inconclusive again, could everybody rate the following "favourable", "acceptable" or "unfavourable"? amenity=mourning amenity=place_of_mourning amenity=mourning_room amenity=viewing_arrangements amenity=deceased_viewing Am 04.11.2020 11:17 schrieb woll...@posteo.de: Dear all, As there have been no more comments for some time on this proposal, I've set it to voting. Please have a look and vote: Chapel of rest: a room or building where families and friends can come and view someone who has died before their funeral Proposal page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Chapel_of_rest Discussion page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Chapel_of_rest Thanks! Vollis ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of rest)
Dear all, As there have been no more comments for some time on this proposal, I've set it to voting. Please have a look and vote: Chapel of rest: a room or building where families and friends can come and view someone who has died before their funeral Proposal page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Chapel_of_rest Discussion page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Chapel_of_rest Thanks! Vollis ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting suspended - (funeral hall=*)
I have suspended the voting, because there - finally - is a real discussion. Am 02.10.2020 18:38 schrieb woll...@posteo.de: Dear list, Please vote on the following proposal: A building or room for funeral ceremonies ancillary to a funeral directors shop or a crematorium (subtag) Proposal page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/funeral_hall%3D* Discussion page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/funeral_hall%3D* Thanks! Vollis ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (funeral hall=*)
Dear list, Please vote on the following proposal: A building or room for funeral ceremonies ancillary to a funeral directors shop or a crematorium (subtag) Proposal page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/funeral_hall%3D* Discussion page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/funeral_hall%3D* Thanks! Vollis ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Chapel of rest)
"In any case, the proposer seems to feel that chapel of rest should be used only for dedicated buildings and a different tag should be added to indicate a funeral director's with a viewing room." The proposer feels that a subtag should be used for a funeral director's with a viewing room. But the proposer's preference goes to using the same term for the amenity tag and for the subtag (examples given in the proposal). At the same time, may I ask for comments on "funeral viewing rooms"? Apart from its length, it only seems to have advantages. Am 27.09.2020 13:55 schrieb Paul Allen: On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 at 10:02, Michael Patrick wrote: From: Paul Allen Problem 1. "Viewing Service" is the name of a process, not the name of the building or room it takes place in. "Turn left after the Viewing Service" > makes no sense, any more than "Turn right after the prayer" as an alternative to "Turn right after the church." Mmmm I agree, that's my point. 'Chapel of Rest' isn't a place, at best it sometimes might be a dedicated room in a funeral establishment. Apparently, it is not infrequently the showroom for caskets if a larger attendance needs to be accommodated. It may be as you state it in some cases. It is not true of all. Here's one where the chapel of rest is a building solely for that purpose: https://www.colinphillipsfunerals.com/our-services/private-chapel/ [6] That does not serve any other purpose. It is not his offices or showroom. I know of another one like that a few miles from it. Also, a chapel, even in the religious sense, is not necessarily a separate building. It originally referred to a small room within a church with its own altar, or a room with an alta in a non-religious building. In any case, the proposer seems to feel that chapel of rest should be used only for dedicated buildings and a different tag should be added to indicate a funeral director's with a viewing room. Problem 2. "Viewing service" implies some sort of formalized event, probably religious with a speaker delivering a eulogy. A Chapel of Rest is for looking at a dead body, with no formal ceremony. Possibly in complete silence. Possible with only one live person in the room. Contrast this with a religious service, which has prayers, hymns, a sermon, bouts of kneeling, etc. Connotation of 'service' as in 'floral service', embalming service', 'cremation service' or otherwise business task / activity like 'automotive repair service', rather than the religious service denotation like a mass. I wouldn't expect a religious service at a florist or a car mechanic. When it comes to funerals, however... From the US Federal Trade Checklist at https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0301-funeral-costs-and-pricing-checklist [1] Visitation/viewing — staff and facilities __ Funeral or memorial service — staff and facilities __ Graveside service, including staff and equipment __ That's nice. But it's not British English. You can, however, use it to argue that editor translations for US English should use visitation for the preset name. UK funeral industry shows both 'Chapel of Rest', or that term with visitation / viewing, some just have 'venue rental'. CoR is fairly typical. Precisely. CoR seems to be the commonest term for it. And less ambiguous than "visitation" (people visit patients in hospitals) or "viewing" (people view paintings in art galleries). Problem 3. I've not encountered that term as a synonym for a chapel of rest. But I've not looked very hard. Citation needed. https://funeralresources.com/resources/viewing-and-visitation-costs/ [2] https://funerals.org/?consumers=read-funeral-home-price-list/ [3] https://www.thefuneralsite.com/ResourceCenters/Costs/How_much.html [4] The first two are in the US. The third gives me a "problem loading page" error. ... and hundreds more. Canada seems to be similar to the US. None of which are renowned for using British English. Again, this is for editor preset translations. Viewing / Visitation seem to translate well https://www.floridafuneralhome.com/Content/Media/FloridaFuneralHomeAndCrematory/Spa%20-%20Crem%20w%20View%202018-07-01.pdf [5] زيارة مشاهدة الجنازة ( Arabic ) goes to 'Funeral watch visit', i.e. it survives round trips through google Translate. Not pertinent. The general policy is tags use British English. There is no requirement that they survive round trips through google translate. -- Paul Links: -- [1] https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0301-funeral-costs-and-pricing-checklist [2] https://funeralresources.com/resources/viewing-and-visitation-costs/ [3] https://funerals.org/?consumers=read-funeral-home-price-list/ [4] https://www.thefuneralsite.com/ResourceCenters/Costs/How_much.html [5] https://www.floridafuneralhome.com/Content/Media/FloridaFuneralHomeAndCrematory/Spa%20-%20Crem%20w%20View%202018-07-01.pdf [6]
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Chapel of rest)
"Wake rooms" was at one time my favorite, but then I was told that some
people might associate "wake" with a particular denomination as well.
I'm not a native speaker either, so I can't judge.
Something with "viewing" might be nice as well; "funeral viewing room"
(between quotation marks) yields some interesting results on Google. A
bit long, but at this point, I'd take that as a minor incovenience.
Am 25.09.2020 15:09 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
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On 25. Sep 2020, at 00:51, Michael Patrick
wrote:
( I once went to one in Detroit, where the open casket and reception
line was right there with tables of people eating brunch ('wake')).
so it could be “wake_room”?
Now this might sound a tad euphemistic as well, but search engines
actually restitute pertinent results.
Cheers Martin
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[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Chapel of rest)
Dear all, As already mentioned, another ripple effect of my first proposal has materialised, the need to be able to properly tag chapels of rest as well. Therefore please comment on the following proposal: Chapel of rest: a room or building where families and friends can come and view someone who has died before their funeral Proposal page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Chapel_of_rest Discussion page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Chapel_of_rest Thanks! Vollis ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Chapels-of-rest
Hello, The ripple effect of my proposal for amenity=funeral_hall continues. Now, it appears that we might need a tag for chapels-of-rest, if we want to avoid confusion. Alas, "chapel" will be opposed by some for being religiously connotated. "Funeral home" or "funeral parlor" will end up being used for funeral directors shops. So, before I make another proposal, I would like to determine the term that has the least bad chance of being acceptable for as many people as possible. If you are inspired, please go here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:amenity%3Dfuneral_hall#Fun.C3.A9rariums.2C_Aufbahrungshallen_etc. Thanks! Vollis ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (DEPRECATED building=funeral hall)
Dear list, Please comment on the following proposal: Tagging: building=funeral_hall Definition: DEPRECATED, use building=yes combined with amenity=funeral_hall instead (This is an offshoot from my recent proposal for amenity=funeral_hall, due to comments made there.) Proposal page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/DEPRECATED_building%3Dfuneral_hall Discussion page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/DEPRECATED_building%3Dfuneral_hall Thanks! Vollis ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (funeral hall=*)
Dear list, Please comment on the following proposal: A building or room for funeral ceremonies ancillary to a funeral directors shop or a crematorium (subtag) (This is an offshoot from my previous proposal, due to comments made there.) Proposal page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/funeral_hall%3D* Discussion page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/funeral_hall%3D* Thanks! Vollis ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Funeral hall
Dear list, Please vote on the following proposal: Funeral hall: place for holding a funeral ceremony, other than a place of worship Proposal page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Funeral_hall Discussion page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Funeral_hall Thanks! Vollis ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -Funeral hall
I'm completely open to suggestions in this regard. I took the key I've
already seen used by some, but if someone comes up with a better idea,
great.
Am 19.08.2020 18:37 schrieb Volker Schmidt:
With respect to the proposed key, I would invite you to consider an
alternative way of tagging this function.
In various countries and in various religions the approaches on how to
say good-bye to the dead are different.
I am thinking of the "camera ardente" in Italy or the "Aufbahrung" in
Germany, these are ways of providing this in different contexts. What
about a tag that can be added to any kind of place, a funeral
director's or a chapel or the town hall, indicating that this kind of
farewell can be arranged.
I do not have the correct wording in GB English right now ("laying
out"?), but the concept would be not to create a tag that implies a
dedicated building, but to create a tag for the function that can be
added to a building or a "shop".
wrote:
In the US, there are privately owned cemeteries, often with a
private funeral home / mortuary building on the site. You can buy a
plot and also pay for the funeral services, including the use of a
hall for a viewing, reception or funeral service (religious or
otherwise).
E.g.:
https://www.dignitymemorial.com/funeral-homes/glendale-az/west-resthaven-funeral-home/4707
[2] - a funeral home and private cemetery.
In many American cities most of the cemeteries, crematoriums and
mausoleums are privately owned and operated.
So my question is if we should add this new tag to the reception /
service halls which are found at at private funeral homes /
mortuaries as well? Often these are in the same building as the
crematorium and the morgue (where bodies are prepared and stored
prior to burial or cremation), and the offices and reception for the
funeral home are also there.
Or are we only thinking to use this new tag for stand-alone halls?
It would also be good to clarify how these are different than a
place_of_worship. For example, consider the many non-sectarian
chapels and prayer rooms found in airports, shopping centres,
hospitals, and similar public facilities. Aren't those tagged as
amenity=place_of_worship - or is that also a mistake?
- Joseph Eisenberg
On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 7:13 AM wrote:
Not important at all. I just think that if it is ancillary to the
business of selling coffins, transporting corpses, preparing them
for
burial, doing paperwork in relation to that etc. (what the French
call a
"funérarium"), then it doesn't deserve a tag distinct from the
funeral
directors tag (but if a majority think otherwise, I don't have
strong
feelings about it either).
Am 19.08.2020 15:47 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
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On 19. Aug 2020, at 15:33, woll...@posteo.de wrote:
I could imagine rare cases of a privately run cemetery not
linked to
any religion or belief/life stance and where there is such a
building.
But typically, they would be public.
let me rephrase my question: how important is it that the
facility is
“public”?
IMHO this feature should have a functional definition only,
everything
else depends on the context and is not really relevant.
Cheers Martin
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -Funeral hall
I'm not familiar with such privately owned cemeteries, so others may be better placed. Here are my thoughts from what you write: If there is a crematorium, as I already wrote, I think it's pointless to add such a new tag, because a room like that would probably go with any crematorium anyhow (or maybe one could tag it if the building is completely distinct). Funeral directors often have their own ceremony rooms in some countries. Just as with the crematorium, I wouldn't add a tag unless it's a distinct building (but I'm completely open about this). Here, if I've understood correctly, we have a funeral directors shop with its own cemetery. I suppose it makes sense to tag a "funeral hall", because for other cemeteries we would also give the info that they have such premises. In the case of your example, they appear to have two spaces "chapel space" for religious funerals and "event space" for others. If you know where they are, you could even tag one amenity=place_of_worship / religion=multifaith and the other amenity=funeral_hall. To sum it up, we could say to tag any such premise, unless it is clearly ancillary to an already tagged crematorium or funeral directors shop. For those airport chapels, I guess they are supposed to be at least religious. As long as that is the case, I don't see an issue with "place of worship". The day they start calling their chapel "meditation room", we might indeed have to think about something else. Am 19.08.2020 17:56 schrieb Joseph Eisenberg: In the US, there are privately owned cemeteries, often with a private funeral home / mortuary building on the site. You can buy a plot and also pay for the funeral services, including the use of a hall for a viewing, reception or funeral service (religious or otherwise). E.g.: https://www.dignitymemorial.com/funeral-homes/glendale-az/west-resthaven-funeral-home/4707 [2] - a funeral home and private cemetery. In many American cities most of the cemeteries, crematoriums and mausoleums are privately owned and operated. So my question is if we should add this new tag to the reception / service halls which are found at at private funeral homes / mortuaries as well? Often these are in the same building as the crematorium and the morgue (where bodies are prepared and stored prior to burial or cremation), and the offices and reception for the funeral home are also there. Or are we only thinking to use this new tag for stand-alone halls? It would also be good to clarify how these are different than a place_of_worship. For example, consider the many non-sectarian chapels and prayer rooms found in airports, shopping centres, hospitals, and similar public facilities. Aren't those tagged as amenity=place_of_worship - or is that also a mistake? - Joseph Eisenberg On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 7:13 AM wrote: Not important at all. I just think that if it is ancillary to the business of selling coffins, transporting corpses, preparing them for burial, doing paperwork in relation to that etc. (what the French call a "funérarium"), then it doesn't deserve a tag distinct from the funeral directors tag (but if a majority think otherwise, I don't have strong feelings about it either). Am 19.08.2020 15:47 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: sent from a phone On 19. Aug 2020, at 15:33, woll...@posteo.de wrote: I could imagine rare cases of a privately run cemetery not linked to any religion or belief/life stance and where there is such a building. But typically, they would be public. let me rephrase my question: how important is it that the facility is “public”? IMHO this feature should have a functional definition only, everything else depends on the context and is not really relevant. Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging [1] ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging [1] Links: -- [1] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging [2] https://www.dignitymemorial.com/funeral-homes/glendale-az/west-resthaven-funeral-home/4707 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -Funeral hall
Not important at all. I just think that if it is ancillary to the business of selling coffins, transporting corpses, preparing them for burial, doing paperwork in relation to that etc. (what the French call a "funérarium"), then it doesn't deserve a tag distinct from the funeral directors tag (but if a majority think otherwise, I don't have strong feelings about it either). Am 19.08.2020 15:47 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: sent from a phone On 19. Aug 2020, at 15:33, woll...@posteo.de wrote: I could imagine rare cases of a privately run cemetery not linked to any religion or belief/life stance and where there is such a building. But typically, they would be public. let me rephrase my question: how important is it that the facility is “public”? IMHO this feature should have a functional definition only, everything else depends on the context and is not really relevant. Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
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I could imagine rare cases of a privately run cemetery not linked to any religion or belief/life stance and where there is such a building. But typically, they would be public. That being said, all cemeteries I know personally are run either by a government entity or a religious denomination; other people might have further insights. Am 19.08.2020 12:06 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: sent from a phone On 19. Aug 2020, at 10:23, woll...@posteo.de wrote: Indeed, this is not about a business, but a public facility must the facility be “public” or could it be a private facility as well? Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -Funeral hall
If there is a crematorium, I agree that it should take precedence, and I can't imagine a crematorium without such a room. However, more often than not, there is no crematorium while there is such a funeral hall (quite often actually colloquially called a "chapel", but "chapel" falls under the category "place of worship"). Am 19.08.2020 13:59 schrieb Philip Barnes: On Wed, 2020-08-19 at 10:26 +0200, woll...@posteo.de wrote: Funeral directors are a business, this is a public facility (generally) on a cemetery. A mortuary is for storing corpses, that's often associated to this kind of ceremonial place, but not necessarily. Looking around my local area these have simply been mapped as amenity=crematorium. They are publicly owned and have a chapel within them. They are used by all religions and non-religions. Phil (trigpoint) Am 19.08.2020 01:36 schrieb Joseph Eisenberg: > There is already an existing tag with similar meaning for funeral > homes / funeral halls / funeral directors: shop=funeral_directors. > The use of the key "shop=" is odd, but it's been used over 20,000 > times so it seems to be well established: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dfuneral_directors > [4] - > documented since 2009: > > "Also known as a "funeral parlour","undertaker", "funeral home", or > "memorial home". > > A funeral directors [5] shop is a place where arrangements to > permanently store the physical body after death are made. An event > (sometimes with the deceased's body present) to honor the deceased > for > mourners are held here in conjunction with religious services which > are held elsewhere." > There is also a related tag amenity=mortuary - > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dmortuary [6] > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 1:03 PM wrote: > > > Dear list, > > > > Please comment on the following proposal: > > > > Funeral hall: a building for funeral ceremonies which may be > > religious > > or secular > > > > Proposal page: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Funeral_hall > > [1] > > Discussion page: > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Funeral_hall > > [2] > > > > Thanks! > > > > Vollis > > > > ___ > > Tagging mailing list > > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging [3] > > Links: > -- > [1] > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Funeral_hall > [2] > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Funeral_hall > [3] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > [4] > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dfuneral_directors > [5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:Funeral_director > [6] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dmortuary > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -Funeral hall
Funeral directors are a business, this is a public facility (generally) on a cemetery. A mortuary is for storing corpses, that's often associated to this kind of ceremonial place, but not necessarily. Am 19.08.2020 01:36 schrieb Joseph Eisenberg: There is already an existing tag with similar meaning for funeral homes / funeral halls / funeral directors: shop=funeral_directors. The use of the key "shop=" is odd, but it's been used over 20,000 times so it seems to be well established: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dfuneral_directors [4] - documented since 2009: "Also known as a "funeral parlour","undertaker", "funeral home", or "memorial home". A funeral directors [5] shop is a place where arrangements to permanently store the physical body after death are made. An event (sometimes with the deceased's body present) to honor the deceased for mourners are held here in conjunction with religious services which are held elsewhere." There is also a related tag amenity=mortuary - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dmortuary [6] On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 1:03 PM wrote: Dear list, Please comment on the following proposal: Funeral hall: a building for funeral ceremonies which may be religious or secular Proposal page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Funeral_hall [1] Discussion page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Funeral_hall [2] Thanks! Vollis ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging [3] Links: -- [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Funeral_hall [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Funeral_hall [3] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging [4] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dfuneral_directors [5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:Funeral_director [6] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dmortuary ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -Funeral hall
Indeed, this is not about a business, but a public facility. Am 19.08.2020 09:34 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: sent from a phone On 19. Aug 2020, at 01:38, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: similar meaning for funeral homes / funeral halls / funeral directors: shop=funeral_directors. The use of the key "shop=" is odd, but it's been used over 20,000 times so it seems to be well established: this is about a business which organizes funerals, while the OP wants to tag a place like a chapel, where funeral ceremonies are held, but which is religion agnostic (not specifically christian). Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -Funeral hall
Dear list, Please comment on the following proposal: Funeral hall: a building for funeral ceremonies which may be religious or secular Proposal page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Funeral_hall Discussion page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Funeral_hall Thanks! Vollis ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
