Re: [Tagging] Mapping amenity=prison
On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > in the case of a prison farm I would think it is part of the prison. This > is not about ownership. By the way, http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-prison-horses-idUSKBN0ET1RA20140618 is one of the prisons in question. The issue arose because I've been going through county tax records, looking for parcels that are owned by the state government. Most of those parcels contain landmarks that should be mapped - parks, state trooper barracks, state office buildings, schools, hospitals, prisons, you name it. Many are not mapped. I'm gradually fixing that. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Mapping amenity=prison
>To me, prisons are not so different than schools or hospitals, in that >there is a land area for the facility and then buildings within. So >your approach sounds right. +1 Cheers, Dave On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer < > dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > When it comes to farmland, I would not consider it part of the amenity. >> It might >> > be operated by the facility, fine. But as we do not tag ownership, the >> fact that >> > is owned by the institution would not make it part of the amenity. >> >> >> in the case of a prison farm I would think it is part of the prison. This >> is not about ownership. >> > > Ditto the clear space outside the walls that's kept from development in > order to ensure that the guard towers have a clear line of fire. > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > -- Dave Swarthout Homer, Alaska Chiang Mai, Thailand Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Mapping amenity=prison
On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > When it comes to farmland, I would not consider it part of the amenity. > It might > > be operated by the facility, fine. But as we do not tag ownership, the > fact that > > is owned by the institution would not make it part of the amenity. > > > in the case of a prison farm I would think it is part of the prison. This > is not about ownership. > Ditto the clear space outside the walls that's kept from development in order to ensure that the guard towers have a clear line of fire. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Mapping amenity=prison
Kevin Kenny writes: > If I have the cadastral information for the lands (which are usually posted > to forbid entry, so visible "in the field"), what's a recommended way to > tag? What I'm thinking is to put amenity=prison on the whole area and then > barrier=wall or barrier=fence on the enclosure. To me, prisons are not so different than schools or hospitals, in that there is a land area for the facility and then buildings within. So your approach sounds right. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Mapping amenity=prison
sent from a phone > Il giorno 09 ago 2016, alle ore 23:29, Tom Pfeifer > ha scritto: > > When it is a bit of green space around, visitor/staff parking etc, I'd agree. > > When it comes to farmland, I would not consider it part of the amenity. It > might > be operated by the facility, fine. But as we do not tag ownership, the fact > that > is owned by the institution would not make it part of the amenity. in the case of a prison farm I would think it is part of the prison. This is not about ownership. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Mapping amenity=prison
sent from a phone > Il giorno 09 ago 2016, alle ore 23:38, Tod Fitch ha > scritto: > > I am stunned to find that prisons are categorized as amenities so the rest of > this thread about tagging details of such seems straight out of a Monte > Python skit. yes, it's a running gag... cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Mapping amenity=prison
> On Aug 9, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > > Martin Koppenhoefer wrote on 2016/08/09 22:20: >>> Il giorno 09 ago 2016, alle ore 18:54, Kevin Kenny >>> ha scritto: >>> >>> What I'm thinking is to put amenity=prison on the whole area and then >>> barrier=wall or barrier=fence on the enclosure. >> >> sounds reasonable to me > > When it is a bit of green space around, visitor/staff parking etc, I'd agree. > > When it comes to farmland, I would not consider it part of the amenity. It > might > be operated by the facility, fine. But as we do not tag ownership, the fact > that > is owned by the institution would not make it part of the amenity. > I am stunned to find that prisons are categorized as amenities so the rest of this thread about tagging details of such seems straight out of a Monte Python skit. What dictionary definition of amenity was used to argue that a prison should be tagged that way? I sure don’t see it in my American English dictionaries nor in my older copy of the Oxford English Dictionary. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Mapping amenity=prison
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote on 2016/08/09 22:20: Il giorno 09 ago 2016, alle ore 18:54, Kevin Kenny ha scritto: What I'm thinking is to put amenity=prison on the whole area and then barrier=wall or barrier=fence on the enclosure. sounds reasonable to me When it is a bit of green space around, visitor/staff parking etc, I'd agree. When it comes to farmland, I would not consider it part of the amenity. It might be operated by the facility, fine. But as we do not tag ownership, the fact that is owned by the institution would not make it part of the amenity. tom ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Mapping amenity=prison
sent from a phone > Il giorno 09 ago 2016, alle ore 18:54, Kevin Kenny > ha scritto: > > What I'm thinking is to put amenity=prison on the whole area and then > barrier=wall or barrier=fence on the enclosure. sounds reasonable to me cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Mapping amenity=prison
Many of the correctional facilities in my part of the world own land that is much larger than the area enclosed in their walls. Sometimes it's simply open space used as a buffer zone. Sometimes it's operated as a 'prison farm'. Sometimes it's simply inhospitable woodland that it was too much work to clear. If I have the cadastral information for the lands (which are usually posted to forbid entry, so visible "in the field"), what's a recommended way to tag? What I'm thinking is to put amenity=prison on the whole area and then barrier=wall or barrier=fence on the enclosure. I see, though, that other mappers have simply put "amenity=prison" on the wall and not mapped the outlying fields. That may, however, come from armchair mapping from orbit - it's hard to distinguish the prison farm from the next farm over. What's right? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging