Re: [Tagging] non-physical / why do we discourage leisure=skatepark/skate_park?

[Warin]

On 01/09/18 00:55, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2018-08-31 15:36 GMT+02:00 Tom Pfeifer >:



While I agree with that, I do not see a need that sport=* is
always attached to a physical object.
In particular sports that are performed in a natural environment
often have no sharp geographical limitations.

Examples are areas in a lake for sport=swimming, or areas with
rocks where you can sport=climbing.



but we do not map all places with all sports you could possibly do 
there, only those which provide infrastructure for them or are 
signposted (or maybe also just intensively used). While you could swim 
in most lakes, we only tag specific swimming places.


If there are no clear limits, we often use as node.



Hummm .. while 'swimming' can be done .. is there a competitive side to 
the swimming done there?
A sport usually has some competitive side to it ... where as a 
recreation may not have that competitive side.


For example .. when I tag a swimming pool .. I only add the 
sport=swimming if I see marked lanes or some other indication of a 
competitive nature, other wise I do not include a sport tag.
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Re: [Tagging] non-physical / why do we discourage leisure=skatepark/skate_park?

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2018-08-31 15:36 GMT+02:00 Tom Pfeifer :

>
> While I agree with that, I do not see a need that sport=* is always
> attached to a physical object.
> In particular sports that are performed in a natural environment often
> have no sharp geographical limitations.
>
> Examples are areas in a lake for sport=swimming, or areas with rocks where
> you can sport=climbing.
>


but we do not map all places with all sports you could possibly do there,
only those which provide infrastructure for them or are signposted (or
maybe also just intensively used). While you could swim in most lakes, we
only tag specific swimming places.

If there are no clear limits, we often use as node.

Cheers,
Martin
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Re: [Tagging] non-physical / why do we discourage leisure=skatepark/skate_park?

[Tom Pfeifer]

On 31.08.2018 14:33, Paul Allen wrote:

On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 11:08 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:

What are "non-physical" & "physical" tags?

My interpretation of the wiki is based upon my classification of things.  My brain is a physical 
object, my thoughts
are not.  A grass field with lines marked on it and intended to play sports on is a physical thing 
we call a "pitch"

whereas a game of football is not a physical thing.  So "pitch" is physical and 
"sport" is not.


While I agree with that, I do not see a need that sport=* is always attached to 
a physical object.
In particular sports that are performed in a natural environment often have no sharp geographical 
limitations.


Examples are areas in a lake for sport=swimming, or areas with rocks where you 
can sport=climbing.
Unless there is a physical barrier, like a floating line in the lake, you are not limited how far 
you want to swim, but you would not use the whole lake. Similarly, a geolocation is known for good 
climbing spots, however you don't want to tag each boulder, or they are hard to map cause GNSS is 
poor under the trees and the rocks are not visible from aerials for the same reason.


Thus the location is surrounded by the physical object, but the tag is on a separate node, such as a 
shop in a larger building.


tom

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