Re: [Tagging] "building=college" tag missing from building key page

2017-12-08 Thread Marco Boeringa
Colin and others, I think we have drifted a bit off of the original topic, my "original enquiry" was the notion that the "building=college" tag, with 15k uses, was not included on the building key page, and if it would be a good idea to include it. From there, there was discussion about

Re: [Tagging] "building=college" tag missing from building key page

2017-12-08 Thread Colin Smale
This is why the ISCED codes exist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Classification_of_Education#ISCED_2011_levels,_categories,_and_sub-categories They are already used in OSM: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/ISCED So the original enquiry can be

Re: [Tagging] "building=college" tag missing from building key page

2017-12-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 7. Dec 2017, at 19:31, Marco Boeringa wrote: > > Anyway, no tagging scheme for education will ever be perfect, the differences > between individual countries and the usage of specific terminology is vast. while this is true, choosing good

Re: [Tagging] "building=college" tag missing from building key page

2017-12-08 Thread Vao Matua
On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Steve Doerr wrote: On 07/12/2017 18:31, Marco Boeringa wrote: > College, as Vao Matua also pointed out, usually refers to secondary > school / high school age education > Not in the UK, I'm afraid. It tends to refer to adult education of one form or

Re: [Tagging] "building=college" tag missing from building key page

2017-12-07 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
I think this is exactly the issue we had discussed previously: "the concept" vs "the ID" for that concept. When words are used as IDs, they always come with semantic meaning based on your cultural background. The words "college" and "sanatorium" mean different things. With an opaque ID (e.g.

Re: [Tagging] "building=college" tag missing from building key page

2017-12-07 Thread Steve Doerr
On 07/12/2017 18:31, Marco Boeringa wrote: College, as Vao Matua also pointed out, usually refers to secondary school / high school age education Not in the UK, I'm afraid. It tends to refer to adult education of one form or another. Or else an alternative to school for 17-to-18-year-olds

Re: [Tagging] "building=college" tag missing from building key page

2017-12-07 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On 8 December 2017 at 04:56, Kevin Kenny wrote: And, although I'm well aware that UK English is the standard for OSM > tagging, this tag will continue to cause confusion > Which is the problem we keep hitting that OSM tries to use one word worldwide, when it means

Re: [Tagging] "building=college" tag missing from building key page

2017-12-07 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Marco Boeringa wrote: > Yes, I agree "school" is a pretty loose term used from anything ranging from > kindergarten to primary to secondary school / high school / college. > > However, "college" and "university" aren't. College, as Vao

Re: [Tagging] "building=college" tag missing from building key page

2017-12-07 Thread Marco Boeringa
Yes, I agree "school" is a pretty loose term used from anything ranging from kindergarten to primary to secondary school / high school / college. However, "college" and "university" aren't. College, as Vao Matua also pointed out, usually refers to secondary school / high school age education,

Re: [Tagging] "building=college" tag missing from building key page

2017-12-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-12-07 14:40 GMT+01:00 Marco Boeringa : > * school: tag mostly used for kindergarten or primary school: generally > only classrooms and no dedicated laboratory / science / workshop rooms with > electrity, water, gas and a range of technical equipment > "school" is

Re: [Tagging] "building=college" tag missing from building key page

2017-12-07 Thread Vao Matua
In Samoa the term "College" refers to a secondary school also known as a high school in other places. It seems that building=yes plus amenity=university for the area around the buildings would work for the college question. Can someone explain why there isn't a landuse=education tag, or

Re: [Tagging] "building=college" tag missing from building key page

2017-12-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-12-07 13:53 GMT+01:00 Tom Pfeifer : > So what is the building type difference between building=school and > building=college when it consists of seminar/class rooms? > > yes, these seem to describe the same (maybe there are differences, according to the type of

Re: [Tagging] "building=college" tag missing from building key page

2017-12-07 Thread Marco Boeringa
Hi Tom, Good point you raise about the building topology, but I do think there are reasons to allow this: - As to your point of building topology, as I mostly interpret this: * school: tag mostly used for kindergarten or primary school: generally only classrooms and no dedicated laboratory

Re: [Tagging] "building=college" tag missing from building key page

2017-12-07 Thread Tom Pfeifer
The method just to copy the amenity value onto the building value dilutes the idea that the building tag should describe the building typology. An educational campus often consists both of purpose-built buildings, e.g. with a large lecture hall, as well as re-dedicated buildings such as a

[Tagging] "building=college" tag missing from building key page

2017-12-07 Thread Marco Boeringa
Hi, I noticed the tag "building=college" is missing from the main building key page (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building). This tag is the equivalent of building=school/university as the accompanying key for tagging the actual buildings of an "amenity=college". It seems