Re: [Tagging] [Talk-GB] Fords and how to provide information to help with routing apps
Vào lúc 01:00 2023-07-05, Warin đã viết: Many 'fords' in Australia are normally dry. When the river runs high those fords can become impassable for quite some time .. weeks.. Those who travel there know this, those that don't .. well the Police normally place 'Road Closed' signs out. This sounds like a situation where the waterway is already tagged intermittent=yes, so it stands to reason that the ford would also be intermittent=yes. (The two are accessible exclusively of each other.) -- m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [Talk-GB] Fords and how to provide information to help with routing apps
Matija Nalis : > Relatedly, there are: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:intermittent > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:flood_prone > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:seasonal > > > which might be useful for such cases. > > -- > Opinions above are GNU-copylefted. > See also wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:hazard=flooding Regards, Illia. > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [Talk-GB] Fords and how to provide information to help with routing apps
Fr gr Peter Elderson Op vr 7 jul 2023 om 03:58 schreef Matija Nalis < mnalis-openstreetmapl...@voyager.hr>: > On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 18:00:26 +1000, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 5/7/23 03:38, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > >> ford=impassable makes no sense > >> ford is by definition a passable place across waterway, if > >> something is impassable then it is not a ford > > Agreed... and when not passable by anyone, I wouldn't draw it on OSM as > any highway=* way nor related points like ford=*. > > However, if some traffic is NOT POSSIBLE but other traffic is, I'd > probably still use access tags like foot=*, > bicycle=* etc. even if those are primarily for LEGAL restrictions. > > E.g. if it is suicidal to try to cross such ford with bicycle there, I'd > probably add bicycle=no. > I should point out that it works out here, where attempted suicide is > illegal (and you'll get fined for it :-) > Otherwise tag purists would dislike it. > > > Many 'fords' in Australia are normally dry. > > > > When the river runs high those fords can become impassable for quite > > some time .. weeks.. > > Relatedly, there are: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:intermittent > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:flood_prone > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:seasonal > > > which might be useful for such cases. > > -- > Opinions above are GNU-copylefted. > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [Talk-GB] Fords and how to provide information to help with routing apps
On Wed, 5 Jul 2023 18:00:26 +1000, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 5/7/23 03:38, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: >> ford=impassable makes no sense >> ford is by definition a passable place across waterway, if >> something is impassable then it is not a ford Agreed... and when not passable by anyone, I wouldn't draw it on OSM as any highway=* way nor related points like ford=*. However, if some traffic is NOT POSSIBLE but other traffic is, I'd probably still use access tags like foot=*, bicycle=* etc. even if those are primarily for LEGAL restrictions. E.g. if it is suicidal to try to cross such ford with bicycle there, I'd probably add bicycle=no. I should point out that it works out here, where attempted suicide is illegal (and you'll get fined for it :-) Otherwise tag purists would dislike it. > Many 'fords' in Australia are normally dry. > > When the river runs high those fords can become impassable for quite > some time .. weeks.. Relatedly, there are: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:intermittent https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:flood_prone https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:seasonal which might be useful for such cases. -- Opinions above are GNU-copylefted. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [Talk-GB] Fords and how to provide information to help with routing apps
On Tue, Jul 04, 2023 at 07:38:53PM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > > Jul 4, 2023, 17:05 by tagging@openstreetmap.org: > > > On Tue, Jul 04, 2023 at 03:14:47PM +0100, Ian Dent wrote: > > > >> Previously it was tagged as ford=impassable but this isn't a valid value > >> and > >> > > > > On reflection, that doesn't seem such a bad tag. > > > ford=impassable makes no sense Agreed. It was a very quick and superficial reflection :-) ael ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [Talk-GB] Fords and how to provide information to help with routing apps
On 5/7/23 03:38, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Jul 4, 2023, 17:05 by tagging@openstreetmap.org: On Tue, Jul 04, 2023 at 03:14:47PM +0100, Ian Dent wrote: Previously it was tagged as ford=impassable but this isn't a valid value and On reflection, that doesn't seem such a bad tag. ford=impassable makes no sense ford is by definition a passable place across waterway, if something is impassable then it is not a ford Many 'fords' in Australia are normally dry. When the river runs high those fords can become impassable for quite some time .. weeks.. Those who travel there know this, those that don't .. well the Police normally place 'Road Closed' signs out. Walking routes that cross streams suffer the same at times, usually a delay of a day or two will see the water level recede to an acceptable level and rate of flow. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [Talk-GB] Fords and how to provide information to help with routing apps
Jul 4, 2023, 17:05 by tagging@openstreetmap.org: > On Tue, Jul 04, 2023 at 03:14:47PM +0100, Ian Dent wrote: > >> Previously it was tagged as ford=impassable but this isn't a valid value and >> > > On reflection, that doesn't seem such a bad tag. > ford=impassable makes no sense ford is by definition a passable place across waterway, if something is impassable then it is not a ford if passage across waterway become destroyed: delete that section of road/cycleway/footway. (as usual, if really needed it is possible to temporarily use lifecycle prefixes to prevent bad edits if nothing is left, or map disused:highway= as long as some remains are visible ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] [Talk-GB] Fords and how to provide information to help with routing apps
On Tue, Jul 04, 2023 at 03:14:47PM +0100, Ian Dent wrote: > Previously it was tagged as ford=impassable but this isn't a valid value and On reflection, that doesn't seem such a bad tag. Why not just document this on the wiki after discussion on the tagging list? Then it should be a supported tag, and Komoot should add it to their routing algorithm. On the tagging list, you might want to discuss whether there should be grades of impassability... ael ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
