Re: [Tagging] A place where letters & parcels are sent to be sorted so they can be delivered?
> On Feb 25, 2017, at 11:33 PM, Philip Barnes wrote: > > I would imagine that is quite common in large towns and cities. Yea - all the main sorting facilities I know of - 2 in the US and 3 in Japan are HUGE buildings with many employees routing mail for hundreds of thousands or millions of people. Then there is a little retail window on the front. Often times this is the post office open the latest or has bulk mail acceptance (presort) - but the are often represented as a separate facility often times (signage wise) in the US and not in Japan - the "main" post office does regional sort and local sort and retail counter service. Javbw. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] A place where letters & parcels are sent to be sorted so they can be delivered?
On 25/02/2017 14:33, Philip Barnes wrote: On Sat Feb 25 10:49:49 2017 GMT, Dave F wrote: This is interesting. From what wikipedia says, the building I was tagging in Britain may not be classed as a sorting office/mail centre any more, but a 'delivery office'. (only 28 taginfo of a claimed 1,356 - maybe a good quarterly project for Talk-GB?). A delivery office is subtly different in that it is the point where posties do the final sort into their bags for delivery. In terms of mapping these are the most important places to map as they are where the public go to collect mail that couldn't be delivered. The public do not generally need to access a sorting office as that deals with outgoing mail. To complicate things a bit further, Shrewsbury Mail Centre acts as both outgoing sorting office and local delivery office. I would imagine that is quite common in large towns and cities. Phil (trigpoint) A quick search returns this, almost certainly outdated, list of UK delivery offices. https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/list_of_uk_delivery_offices I'd be surprised if it hadn't been posted to Talk-GB previously. For tagging I believe the wikipedia wording of mail_centre & delivery_office are the one's to use. At least for the UK. How would those descriptions fit with the rest of the world? DaveF --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] A place where letters & parcels are sent to be sorted so they can be delivered?
The sorting facility probably outgrew the building. In Nashville, TN, USA, where I live, the 1930s Main Post Office facility, next to a railway station, is now an art museum. The new Main Post Office facility is at least 20 times larger, and located near the main airport. It includes a small customer service area, but the main function of the building is sorting. On February 25, 2017 4:50:42 AM Dave F wrote: On 23/02/2017 20:01, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: ok, the term might still be in use, but if you're not used to the term it's evoking pictures like this: http://lowres-picturecabinet.com.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/29/main/11/440889.jpg I suspect that is still relevant for many hand written envelopes & awkward shaped parcels according to wikipedia mail_centre is the word: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Mail#Operations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_centre according to google, sorting office is most important in dictionaries and mail centre is most important in the real world ;-) This is interesting. From what wikipedia says, the building I was tagging in Britain may not be classed as a sorting office/mail centre any more, but a 'delivery office'. (only 28 taginfo of a claimed 1,356 - maybe a good quarterly project for Talk-GB?). DaveF --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] A place where letters & parcels are sent to be sorted so they can be delivered?
On Sat Feb 25 10:49:49 2017 GMT, Dave F wrote: > > This is interesting. From what wikipedia says, the building I was > tagging in Britain may not be classed as a sorting office/mail centre > any more, but a 'delivery office'. (only 28 taginfo of a claimed 1,356 - > maybe a good quarterly project for Talk-GB?). > A delivery office is subtly different in that it is the point where posties do the final sort into their bags for delivery. In terms of mapping these are the most important places to map as they are where the public go to collect mail that couldn't be delivered. The public do not generally need to access a sorting office as that deals with outgoing mail. To complicate things a bit further, Shrewsbury Mail Centre acts as both outgoing sorting office and local delivery office. I would imagine that is quite common in large towns and cities. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Jolla ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] A place where letters & parcels are sent to be sorted so they can be delivered?
On 23/02/2017 20:01, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: ok, the term might still be in use, but if you're not used to the term it's evoking pictures like this: http://lowres-picturecabinet.com.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/29/main/11/440889.jpg I suspect that is still relevant for many hand written envelopes & awkward shaped parcels according to wikipedia mail_centre is the word: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Mail#Operations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_centre according to google, sorting office is most important in dictionaries and mail centre is most important in the real world ;-) This is interesting. From what wikipedia says, the building I was tagging in Britain may not be classed as a sorting office/mail centre any more, but a 'delivery office'. (only 28 taginfo of a claimed 1,356 - maybe a good quarterly project for Talk-GB?). DaveF --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] A place where letters & parcels are sent to be sorted so they can be delivered?
Javbw > On Feb 24, 2017, at 3:32 AM, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) > wrote: > > I chose post_depot as a more general term, that would be applicable to > things that might be called a "Delivery Office", a "Sorting Office" or > maybe even something like "Parcel Hub" or "Distribution Centre". The > initial "post_" part mirrored existing "post_office" tag. Landuse=commercial + Building=commercial + Commercial=distribution_centre Distribution_centre=* Distribution_centre may handle more than mail then - if you want a more flexible tag. Subtag it distribution_centre=* for types, so the wheel doesn't have to be reinvented for each type. Parcels (including mail/ delivery) Retail Goods (coca-cola distribution center) Crops (?) Fuel (LPG tank distribution depot) To me, a defining point is of a distribution centre is it is private or Very limited B to B - an intermediary stop on its way to a final destination. Coca Cola is made in a bottling plant and sent to a distribution warehouse where the cans are loaded onto trucks to service the vending machines and convenience stores - the distribution center is where the trucks from the bottling plant and the trucks distributing goods meet. Here is such a distribution centre: Coca-Cola East Japan "sales center" https://goo.gl/maps/3pXVb4KaQvK2 A propane/LPG distribution center. The big tank trucks deliver to here, the little trucks take small household tanks out to houses and restaurants. The intermidiary storage tank is hidden under solar panels. https://goo.gl/maps/XKgCHVqVkwF2 A generic tag might be best, because they use business-speak for the parcel facilities now. San Diego has had 2 big postal sort facilities. A larger one took over the job of the smaller one a decade ago. There are "retail" services available from a post office in the front of the building, but the facility's job is is to sort all the mail for about 2 million people. The older one has a longer name: "United States Postal Service Processing and Distribution Center" The newer one uses the name: "processing center" - which could also be a fish cannery or the like. >Margaret L. Sellers Processing Center They are very big, with a hundred or so employees. https://goo.gl/maps/bfRyjbCMiLq Here is an article with proper names regarding the closing of the smaller one. http://sdnews.com/view/full_story/24484439/article-Mammoth-Midway-postal-facility-back-on-sales-block?instance=most_popular1 Javbw. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] A place where letters & parcels are sent to be sorted so they can be delivered?
sent from a phone > On 23 Feb 2017, at 18:43, althio wrote: > > Martin Koppenhoefer >> "sorting office" sounds like an antique term, and although it appears this >> is what is used in the UK I couldn't find it in a (1) dictionary. "sorting >> office" is likely not applying to huge distribution facilities > > It apparently does: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorting_office > http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/sorting-office > http://www.macmillandictionary.com/us/dictionary/american/sorting-office ok, the term might still be in use, but if you're not used to the term it's evoking pictures like this: http://lowres-picturecabinet.com.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/29/main/11/440889.jpg according to wikipedia mail_centre is the word: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Mail#Operations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_centre according to google, sorting office is most important in dictionaries and mail centre is most important in the real world ;-) cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] A place where letters & parcels are sent to be sorted so they can be delivered?
On 22 February 2017 at 19:56, Dave F wrote: > A place where letters & parcels are sent to be sorted so they can then be > delivered? > > In the Britain I think they'd normally be called a sorting office. but > there's only 21 & 2 for postal_sorting_office from tag info > > Is post_depot the same thing? (313 wordwide/212 GB) > > Either tag doesn't seem a great number. Is there a more popular one in use? I've used amenity=post_depot quite a few times in the UK to mean precisely that. (In particular, I needed something to re-tag Royal Mail buildings to show that they weren't an amenity=post_office.) I chose post_depot as a more general term, that would be applicable to things that might be called a "Delivery Office", a "Sorting Office" or maybe even something like "Parcel Hub" or "Distribution Centre". The initial "post_" part mirrored existing "post_office" tag. Robert. -- Robert Whittaker ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] A place where letters & parcels are sent to be sorted so they can be delivered?
Martin Koppenhoefer > "sorting office" sounds like an antique term, and although it appears this > is what is used in the UK I couldn't find it in a (1) dictionary. "sorting > office" is likely not applying to huge distribution facilities It apparently does: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorting_office http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/sorting-office http://www.macmillandictionary.com/us/dictionary/american/sorting-office Cheers -- althio ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] A place where letters & parcels are sent to be sorted so they can be delivered?
2017-02-23 14:35 GMT+01:00 althio : > TL;DR: amenity = sorting_office seems fine, but only used in UK at the > moment and undocumented. > I think we generally need a tag for distribution / logistics facilities (at least there is nothing in wider use, AFAIK). Not sure if mail distribution merits its own main tag or if a subtag for distribution centres would make more sense. "sorting office" sounds like an antique term, and although it appears this is what is used in the UK I couldn't find it in a (1) dictionary. "sorting office" is likely not applying to huge distribution facilities, wikipedia mentions "mail centres" as the backbone of Royal mail distribution. Cheer, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] A place where letters & parcels are sent to be sorted so they can be delivered?
Hi Dave, TL;DR: amenity = sorting_office seems fine, but only used in UK at the moment and undocumented. --- I have seen : (same as you said) amenity = sorting_office https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/8129336 21 from https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=sorting_office mostly in big cities in UK: https://overpass-turbo.eu/?w=%22amenity%22%3D%22sorting_office%22+global&R corresponding to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_centre "The Royal Mail operates a network of 38 mail centres. Each mail centre serves a large geographically defined area of the United Kingdom and together they form the backbone network of the mail distribution operation." "Mail is exchanged between the mail centres and then forwarded to one of 1,356 delivery offices". I understand then the UK system as: 38 amenity = sorting_office ==> 1356 amenity = post_office I don't know what a "post_depot" is, but it does seem more like a intermediate sorting/delivery office, maybe for parcels? amenity = post_depot https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/22883979 https://overpass-turbo.eu/?w=%22amenity%22%3D%22post_depot%22+global&R (but also a strange outlier) post_office=sorting_center 18 from https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/post_office=sorting_center all instances strangely in one place: https://overpass-turbo.eu/?w=%22post_office%22%3D%22sorting_center%22+global&R -- althio On 22 February 2017 at 20:56, Dave F wrote: > Hi > > A place where letters & parcels are sent to be sorted so they can then be > delivered? > > In the Britain I think they'd normally be called a sorting office. but > there's only 21 & 2 for postal_sorting_office from tag info > > Is post_depot the same thing? (313 wordwide/212 GB) > > Either tag doesn't seem a great number. Is there a more popular one in use? > > DaveF > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] A place where letters & parcels are sent to be sorted so they can be delivered?
On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: > On 22 February 2017 at 19:56, Dave F wrote: > > > A place where letters & parcels are sent to be sorted so they can then be > > delivered? Here in USA, the two serving my area are General Mail Facility Boston and Fields Corner Postal Annex (which is an annex to the local Fields Corner Post Office, which no longer has route delivery operating from it, but has full window service and Postal Boxes, which the Annex does not). -- Bill Ricker bill.n1...@gmail.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/n1vux ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] A place where letters & parcels are sent to be sorted so they can be delivered?
On 22 February 2017 at 19:56, Dave F wrote: > A place where letters & parcels are sent to be sorted so they can then be > delivered? > > In the Britain I think they'd normally be called a sorting office. but > there's only 21 & 2 for postal_sorting_office from tag info Once they were. My local one is now, formally, known as "Great Barr Delivery Office". You can search for them by nearby postcodes, http://www.royalmail.com/delivery-and-collection-office-finder -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] A place where letters & parcels are sent to be sorted so they can be delivered?
Hi A place where letters & parcels are sent to be sorted so they can then be delivered? In the Britain I think they'd normally be called a sorting office. but there's only 21 & 2 for postal_sorting_office from tag info Is post_depot the same thing? (313 wordwide/212 GB) Either tag doesn't seem a great number. Is there a more popular one in use? DaveF --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
