Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
From someone in the USA, I also see "chilled" water fountains / drinking fountains. Invariably these are indoors, for example in a dentist's office, so they can be connected to both a drinking water supply (usually "simply" the municipal supply of potable water, though I've seen filtered versions as well) AND a source of electricity to power a small refrigeration unit that chills the drinking water. Often, this is a wall-mounted unit that has a drain where the water flows, after allowing the light jet of chilled water at just below head-height for you to drink, while bowed slightly if you are an average-height adult — this means most children can use such a drinking fountain, too. There is always a manual "tap" (button, lever, knob...) on these which "actuates" this style of drinking fountain; these never seem to be "free-flowing (always-flowing), chilled drinking water." ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
On 28/10/22 23:38, Matija Nalis wrote: This stands, however in many places on this planet (and growing by the day) there is now limited amount of drinking water, and we often simply cannot afford to waste it - however much we might prefer such luxuruios carelessness are constantly flowing water... Agreed, though we are talking about how to tag things that do exist and what their uses are; not about the advantages and disadvantages of fountain typologies. Fountains with continuous flow exist and are quite common in many places, some people such as Martin prefer these fountains because the water does not warm up and thus having a tag letting them know where to find these may be useful. We shouldn't, for example, refrain from tagging such things because we think they're dangerous or harmful for the environment or the economy. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
Most of the outdoor fountains I have seen are not chilled. You get water at a temperature lower than the external one because the pipes are underground, sometimes the water is very cold; especially in the mountains where it could come from a spring. Having a tap which prevents the water from flowing lets the water stop within the fountain; if the fountain is under direct sunlight it may warm up, especially if the fountain is made out of metal. Thus, when you use this kind of fountains you often let the water flow for a while in order to discard the warm water and to get the cold one from the underground pipes. On 29/10/22 00:38, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 at 18:23, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: you’ll have to wait a long time until the water becomes cold and can be drunken. That one is a comment that stood out to me? Is the water in your "drinking fountains" chilled, or is it just the natural temperature of the water coming out? Yes, we do have cooled (very rarely chilled!) water dispensers, usually indoors where power is available, but for drinking fountains in parks etc, what comes out is what you get to drink! Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
On 29/10/22 07:57, Matija Nalis wrote: On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 16:43:07 +1100, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: On 28/10/22 06:24, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: there was a discussion about this, tap was seen as a distinguishing property that is yet missing. Handle is similar but not the same (handle is the thing you touch, if it is there, e.g. it could also be sensor based) Sensors are not handles .. I'm thinking about it having raised the issue on the handle discussion wiki page. I take my time with 'new' ideas trying to get them somewhat right. I think the actuator is more important than the 'tap'/'valve' and would give more information than 'tap=yes/no'. there is also already existing/documented https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:actuator as well as https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:valve and others (use taginfo link from wiki, and click on "combinations" to find them) Sorry .. wrong word! Actuator in OSM is it the thing that operates it - an electric motor for instance. Not that interested in that .. more of what initiates it's operation.. a light beam being broken can open a door using an electric motor as the actuator. A handle that operates a toggle switch can do the same, as can a pressure mat, an RFID card, finger print reader, retina scan ... The electric motor says nothing about what makes it turn on/off. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
On 29/10/22 10:23, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 29 Oct 2022, at 00:42, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: Is the water in your "drinking fountains" chilled, or is it just the natural temperature of the water coming out? there are a few “machines” that distribute chilled and carbon dioxide enriched water for a few pennies and where you fill bottles you bring, but these are relatively rare and are not considered drinking fountains, they’re an alternative. Speaking of drinking fountains, these are either fed by a spring or from the public water network. Particularly in the summer, and if the fountain hasn’t been used for some time, you’ll have to let it flow until it gets to the network temperature, because the first water would be quite warm and unsafe to drink. Best practice is to first operate the bubbler to let some water out unimpeded so; the flow rate and trajectory can be judged any dirt/bugs are cleaned out the temperature can start to stabilize ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
sent from a phone > On 29 Oct 2022, at 00:42, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Is the water in your "drinking fountains" chilled, or is it just the natural > temperature of the water coming out? there are a few “machines” that distribute chilled and carbon dioxide enriched water for a few pennies and where you fill bottles you bring, but these are relatively rare and are not considered drinking fountains, they’re an alternative. Speaking of drinking fountains, these are either fed by a spring or from the public water network. Particularly in the summer, and if the fountain hasn’t been used for some time, you’ll have to let it flow until it gets to the network temperature, because the first water would be quite warm and unsafe to drink. Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 at 18:23, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > you’ll have to wait a long time until the water becomes cold and can be > drunken. > That one is a comment that stood out to me? Is the water in your "drinking fountains" chilled, or is it just the natural temperature of the water coming out? Yes, we do have cooled (very rarely chilled!) water dispensers, usually indoors where power is available, but for drinking fountains in parks etc, what comes out is what you get to drink! Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 10:18:01 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > The push button fountain variant is horrible, you can hardly drink from it, > can not wash your hands, particularly the > hand that you use to push the button, and even filling a bottle is harder > than with the continuous flow. I agree completely in the case of valve directly-operated by button. There are however (much more useful!) variants in which, when you press the button, water begins to flow and a button slowly depresses, so you get dozen or so seconds of a water flow after pushing the button, where you can easily use it, wash both hands etc. before the flow stops. > In addition if the thing wasn’t used recently, you’ll have to wait a long > time until the water becomes cold and can > be drunken. This stands, however in many places on this planet (and growing by the day) there is now limited amount of drinking water, and we often simply cannot afford to waste it - however much we might prefer such luxuruios carelessness are constantly flowing water... -- Opinions above are GNU-copylefted. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 16:43:07 +1100, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 28/10/22 06:24, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> there was a discussion about this, tap was seen as a distinguishing property >> that is yet missing. Handle is similar but not the same (handle is the thing >> you touch, if it is there, e.g. it could also be sensor based) > > Sensors are not handles .. I'm thinking about it having raised the issue > on the handle discussion wiki page. I take my time with 'new' ideas > trying to get them somewhat right. I think the actuator is more > important than the 'tap'/'valve' and would give more information than > 'tap=yes/no'. there is also already existing/documented https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:actuator as well as https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:valve and others (use taginfo link from wiki, and click on "combinations" to find them) -- Opinions above are GNU-copylefted. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
Thank you Martin! Do not worry, I have met you before and remember you as a very good person. I have no hard feelings about that. On 28/10/22 11:24, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 28 Oct 2022, at 10:46, Davidoskky via Tagging wrote: I do not like the aggressiveness in this comment of yours; I am sorry I wrote it like this, and agree it was not nice. Please accept my apologies. Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
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Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
Hi Martin: (Off-list) Thank you; a very public apology isn't always easy, but when warranted and sincere, it puts you into the light of "a very good person," at least in my eyes! Steve > On Oct 28, 2022, at 2:24 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > > sent from a phone > >> On 28 Oct 2022, at 10:46, Davidoskky via Tagging >> wrote: >> I do not like the aggressiveness in this comment of yours; > > > I am sorry I wrote it like this, and agree it was not nice. Please accept my > apologies. > > Cheers Martin > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
sent from a phone > On 28 Oct 2022, at 10:46, Davidoskky via Tagging > wrote: > I do not like the aggressiveness in this comment of yours; I am sorry I wrote it like this, and agree it was not nice. Please accept my apologies. Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
On 28/10/22 10:18, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: How is such a statement helpful in a tagging discussion? It can be said about everything, I don’t tag it because I can go there to find out. If you are not interested in tagging details, don’t engage in the discussion about these things. What I said is that I believe it is more important to tag whether the flow of water can be stopped or not than tagging specifically how it can be stopped or regulated. You are misinterpreting what I wrote: I didn't state that such features shouldn't be tagged, just that I don't personally find it useful. I also provided an example of some people who might actually find it useful. I do not like the aggressiveness in this comment of yours; I feel that prioritizing things is an important aspect when deciding what to do and discouraging people from intervening because they don't feel every single detail should be tagged is not a positive way to do this. As an example: I might propose to tag the position of every single brick of every single building. This might be useful, but if someone intervenes by saying that adding the position of the buildings should be more important than specifying the position of the bricks I should not get mad at them. Their input is useful and will highlight the lack of buildings in the map; some people will prefer having all the buildings mapped even if the single bricks are not mapped. I will not tell them their opinion is useless because they're not open to tagging every single detail that exists. If I reflect on what I wrote "I can just go to the fountain and observe what I find." I then realize that the current tagging situation is even much less detailed than this. Prevalently it is currently (at least in this topic): here is drinking water, you can go there and see how it is provided to you. I barely can know there's a fountain there because of the overly fragmented tagging scheme. Please let's not be ridiculous by assuming we have infinite resources and that whatever gets approved here will actually become a widespread and useful tag. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
On Oct 28, 2022, at 1:18 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> On 28 Oct 2022, at 09:58, Davidoskky via Tagging >> wrote: >> >> While I could be interested in whether the flow of a fountain might be >> stopped or not, I'm not really interested in how I'd have to do that: I can >> just go to the fountain and observe what I find. > > > I couldn’t agree less. The push button fountain variant is horrible, you can > hardly drink from it, can not wash your hands, particularly the hand that you > use to push the button, and even filling a bottle is harder than with the > continuous flow. > In addition if the thing wasn’t used recently, you’ll have to wait a long > time until the water becomes cold and can be drunken. > Lever operated taps will provide more comfort but for drinking, tapless > continuous flow is definitely the best. > > Please also reflect about what you wrote: “ I can just go to the fountain and > observe what I find.” > How is such a statement helpful in a tagging discussion? It can be said about > everything, I don’t tag it because I can go there to find out. If you are not > interested in tagging details, don’t engage in the discussion about these > things. I'm not usually one to scold or sound like I'm wagging my finger at naught behavior, unless my son gets kind of lazy at practicing his viola or so (which was many years ago) so I'm not going to do it here. But I will say that we can take a generous attitude towards how difficult it can be for not only all of us to understand how vast such cultural differences are (I'm thinking a master's thesis could be done on "the differences of what is meant by tagging fountains, drinking and otherwise...in OSM"), but in how others don't always appreciate these cultural differences, either. In this "fountain, bubbler, how we drink from water-source places around the world and tag these things in OSM," I've learned a lot, been deeply humbled at my ignorance (and I've been to three continents on this Earth, but by no means am I "fully world cultured," like I think most humans are not) and watch with full bewilderment at how the semantics continue to unfold about this subject: it is fascinating. Let's be gentle and generous with each other and continue to find out how much we can learn about this and continue to have a good attitude that "if we can describe these things, and come to even a rough agreement about them, we can tag them." We might not get that fully correct the first go-around, but we can be respectful (and awed and bewildered) without being insulting or insensitive. Thank you. BTW, I yet again and even now newly recall a sort of "drinking fountain" (what I call them) which has a little round push-button about the size of one's thumb-tip, and these sorts almost always produced a disappointing jet-arc of water that could only be described as "a dribble," so sad. Couldn't wash hands (easily), couldn't fill a hydration bottle (easily), likely installed to be a drought-tolerant / water-saving way to be very frugal with water but with their ridiculous low flow, fell below the threshold of "user-friendly" to simply "wet one's whistle" with a drink of water. And yes, all of the "laser-beam method to initiate flow" (implies tap=yes) and "what about disabled access...?" kinds of information continues to contribute to the incredible richness of this topic. "Fountain" (bubbler, drinking fountain, amenity=drinking_water) are a ready-made poster-child subject for the sometimes truly-difficult subject of tagging in a worldwide map. The more we keep an open mind about this, the better will become our tagging. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
sent from a phone > On 28 Oct 2022, at 09:58, Davidoskky via Tagging > wrote: > > While I could be interested in whether the flow of a fountain might be > stopped or not, I'm not really interested in how I'd have to do that: I can > just go to the fountain and observe what I find. I couldn’t agree less. The push button fountain variant is horrible, you can hardly drink from it, can not wash your hands, particularly the hand that you use to push the button, and even filling a bottle is harder than with the continuous flow. In addition if the thing wasn’t used recently, you’ll have to wait a long time until the water becomes cold and can be drunken. Lever operated taps will provide more comfort but for drinking, tapless continuous flow is definitely the best. Please also reflect about what you wrote: “ I can just go to the fountain and observe what I find.” How is such a statement helpful in a tagging discussion? It can be said about everything, I don’t tag it because I can go there to find out. If you are not interested in tagging details, don’t engage in the discussion about these things. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
sent from a phone > On 28 Oct 2022, at 09:58, Davidoskky via Tagging > wrote: > Actuator definitely provides more information and implicitly defines tap=yes. actuator was not proposed so far, handle was, and while it is documented, it doesn’t seem particularly helpful looking at the provided pictures and suggested values, nor is it actually used (only around 300 uses). Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
On 28/10/22 07:43, Warin wrote: I think the actuator is more important than the 'tap'/'valve' and would give more information than 'tap=yes/no'. Actuator definitely provides more information and implicitly defines tap=yes. This said, I don't know whether it's more important. While I could be interested in whether the flow of a fountain might be stopped or not, I'm not really interested in how I'd have to do that: I can just go to the fountain and observe what I find. I guess tagging the actuator may be useful for people with physical disabilities, who might be searching for a fountain that is easy to use for them, thus either a fountain without a tap or a fountain with an actuator that can be used easily. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
On 28/10/22 06:24, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 27 Oct 2022, at 18:50, Matija Nalis wrote: instead of ad-hoc inventing new undocumented key without discussion... there was a discussion about this, tap was seen as a distinguishing property that is yet missing. Handle is similar but not the same (handle is the thing you touch, if it is there, e.g. it could also be sensor based) Sensors are not handles .. I'm thinking about it having raised the issue on the handle discussion wiki page. I take my time with 'new' ideas trying to get them somewhat right. I think the actuator is more important than the 'tap'/'valve' and would give more information than 'tap=yes/no'. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
sent from a phone > On 27 Oct 2022, at 18:50, Matija Nalis > wrote: > > instead of ad-hoc inventing > new undocumented key without discussion... there was a discussion about this, tap was seen as a distinguishing property that is yet missing. Handle is similar but not the same (handle is the thing you touch, if it is there, e.g. it could also be sensor based) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 23:45:34 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> On 26 Oct 2022, at 21:29, Paul Johnson wrote: >> Drinking fountains are switch or knob operated and shoot at an angle. > > these are assumptions based on your experiences that don’t hold true around > here, most drinking fountains have continuous flow. > > By the way, I started to add “tap”=yes/no to record whether there is a tap to > control the flow I think it would be much better to use already existing "handle=*" which is its purpose, instead of ad-hoc inventing new undocumented key without discussion... https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:handle handle=* has several advantages: - it is already defined on wiki - it is already used in the wild - it has capability not only do define if the flow-control device exists or not (i.e. yes/no) as does your suggested "tap=*", but also a specific type of it (i.e. activated by button or lever or wheel or ...) -- Opinions above are GNU-copylefted. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
sent from a phone > On 27 Oct 2022, at 08:33, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Water is usually scarce in Australia, all blubbers/drinking_fountains are > controlled. sure, I did understand this, that’s why we should not generalize, the situation is different in different places. There are “bubblers” with buttons/taps and other drinking fountains without taps. Just map it and possibly the details, and do not assume too much, because it might lead to wrong assumptions by others Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
On 27/10/22 08:45, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 26 Oct 2022, at 21:29, Paul Johnson wrote: Drinking fountains are switch or knob operated and shoot at an angle. these are assumptions based on your experiences that don’t hold true around here, most drinking fountains have continuous flow. By the way, I started to add “tap”=yes/no to record whether there is a tap to control the flow Water is usually scarce in Australia, all blubbers/drinking_fountains are controlled. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
sent from a phone > On 26 Oct 2022, at 21:29, Paul Johnson wrote: > > Drinking fountains are switch or knob operated and shoot at an angle. these are assumptions based on your experiences that don’t hold true around here, most drinking fountains have continuous flow. By the way, I started to add “tap”=yes/no to record whether there is a tap to control the flow ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 8:07 AM Davidoskky via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > On 13/10/22 10:15, Warin wrote: > > I see no point in depreciating anything at the moment .. 'we' need a > > solution first before even thinking of depreciation. > > I do agree and appreciate this approach. A solution for tagging > man_made=drinking_fountain already exists, that is fountain=bubbler. > Though, and I'm not entirely sure if the post made it to the list or not since it had a picture attached to it, as previously mentioned, this isn't ideal by a long stretch. Bubblers run continuously by design, and shoot straight up, so they're also continuously washing themselves. Drinking fountains are switch or knob operated and shoot at an angle. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
On 16/10/22 02:49, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 15 Oct 2022, at 10:08, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: The flow of water is downwards making them difficult to drink from without an aid e.g. a cup. while it may be true, you have to acknowledge that there are many places in the world that are providing drinking fountains for a long time, sometimes for a very long time, and many of them have downward flow, so this should not be a criterion. For some examples have a look at the drinking water article in wp. I acknowledge the supply of 'drinking water' ... but not a 'drinking fountain' /'bubbler'. I would not ascribe the word 'fountain' to it in OSM. I do note that the word 'fountain' has many meanings .. some ~7 in my dictionary. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
sent from a phone > On 15 Oct 2022, at 10:08, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The flow of water is downwards making them difficult to drink from without an > aid e.g. a cup. while it may be true, you have to acknowledge that there are many places in the world that are providing drinking fountains for a long time, sometimes for a very long time, and many of them have downward flow, so this should not be a criterion. For some examples have a look at the drinking water article in wp. Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
On 15/10/22 19:57, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Oct 15, 2022, 10:05 by 61sundow...@gmail.com: On 14/10/22 22:53, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Oct 13, 2022, 10:15 by 61sundow...@gmail.com: I see no point in depreciating anything at the moment .. 'we' need a solution first before even thinking of depreciation. I described what I found/considered at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Deprecate_man_made%3Ddrinking_fountain/alternatives but nothing seems viable and superior. Have I missed something? To me, fundamentally, the objects presently shown on that proposal page are taps .. not drinking fountains. The flow of water is downwards making them difficult to drink from without an aid e.g. a cup. Does it mean you want to deprecate tagging them as "generic drinking water fountain" https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:fountain%3Ddrinking ? I would never map those as a drinking fountain. I would map them as water taps. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
Oct 15, 2022, 10:05 by 61sundow...@gmail.com: > > > > On 14/10/22 22:53, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > >> >> >> >> Oct 13, 2022, 10:15 by >> 61sundow...@gmail.com>> : >> >>> I see no point in depreciating anything at the moment .. 'we' need >>> a solution first before even thinking of depreciation. >>> >> I described what I found/considered at >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Deprecate_man_made%3Ddrinking_fountain/alternatives >> but nothing seems viable and superior. >> >> Have I missed something? >> > > To me, fundamentally, the objects presently shown on that proposal page > are taps .. not drinking fountains. > > > The flow of water is downwards making them difficult to drink from > without an aid e.g. a cup. > > Does it mean you want to deprecate tagging them as "generic drinking water fountain"https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:fountain%3Ddrinking ? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
On 14/10/22 22:53, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Oct 13, 2022, 10:15 by 61sundow...@gmail.com: I see no point in depreciating anything at the moment .. 'we' need a solution first before even thinking of depreciation. I described what I found/considered at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Deprecate_man_made%3Ddrinking_fountain/alternatives but nothing seems viable and superior. Have I missed something? To me, fundamentally, the objects presently shown on that proposal page are taps .. not drinking fountains. The flow of water is downwards making them difficult to drink from without an aid e.g. a cup. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
Oct 13, 2022, 10:15 by 61sundow...@gmail.com: > I see no point in depreciating anything at the moment .. 'we' need a solution > first before even thinking of depreciation. > I described what I found/considered at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Deprecate_man_made%3Ddrinking_fountain/alternatives but nothing seems viable and superior. Have I missed something? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
On 14/10/22 00:03, Davidoskky via Tagging wrote: On 13/10/22 10:15, Warin wrote: I see no point in depreciating anything at the moment .. 'we' need a solution first before even thinking of depreciation. I do agree and appreciate this approach. A solution for tagging man_made=drinking_fountain already exists, that is fountain=bubbler. I see no problem in deprecating that since a good and valid solution that does not present the same amount of problems does already exist, I believe this is well explained in the deprecation proposal. I am trying to propose some solutions, but I'm rather inexperienced at doing that and thus I'm trying to follow advice of people who know more than me. I have made a proposal which clearly has some problems and I will try to fix those problems as soon as I get time to do so. OT: to all the threads I left unreplied up to now, sorry guys I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Yek. There are too many of them for me to cope with. I need to take a photo of a tap and then upload 2 photos and add them to man_made=water_tap.. that may help answer some of the posts. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
On 13/10/22 10:15, Warin wrote: I see no point in depreciating anything at the moment .. 'we' need a solution first before even thinking of depreciation. I do agree and appreciate this approach. A solution for tagging man_made=drinking_fountain already exists, that is fountain=bubbler. I see no problem in deprecating that since a good and valid solution that does not present the same amount of problems does already exist, I believe this is well explained in the deprecation proposal. I am trying to propose some solutions, but I'm rather inexperienced at doing that and thus I'm trying to follow advice of people who know more than me. I have made a proposal which clearly has some problems and I will try to fix those problems as soon as I get time to do so. OT: to all the threads I left unreplied up to now, sorry guys I'll get back to you as soon as I can. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
On 11/10/22 05:39, Davidoskky via Tagging wrote: I feel that writing on this mailing list is not such a good way to find good solutions to problems, while it appears a wonderful place to find problems. Yes, a wonderful way to find problems. Few suggest ways to fix them... I do try to suggest things, most ignore them. I do support man_made=water_tap and man_made=drinking_fountain as standalone features, not necessarily attached to a building, a water tank etc... If they are attached .. then a node on the other thing .. but the node only has the man_made=* tag. - I see no point in depreciating anything at the moment .. 'we' need a solution first before even thinking of depreciation. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
sent from a phone > On 10 Oct 2022, at 19:58, Davidoskky via Tagging > wrote: > > tap=* and water_tap=* are currently being used to tag the presence of a water > tap in a building. > > tap=* is used in Dominican Republic and the values used are "yes", "no" or > the number of water taps in the building. > > water_tap=* is used in Venezuela to indicate if a fuel station has a water > tap available. > > > Writing a proposal for tap=* becomes even more difficult if I have to keep > these uses in mind. tap=* could mean the feature is equipped with a tap. If you deem this is incompatible with the usage on buildings (which it somehow is, or also not), maybe these could be retagged to water_tap=* or something even better, in accordance/cooperation with the people who put them? Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
Do you know if a tag already exist to describe the presence of a tap in a building ? a tap like the one used in man_made=water_tap ? I'm not exactly sure what it is describing, I should contact the people who added those tags... I assume in the case of fuel stations it means there is water available, maybe for cleaning a car or something like this. In the case of other buildings they tag it together with drinking_water=yes, so I guess in this case it means there are sinks or something like that in the building. I was think about a proposal about water_tap If you wish, you can contact me privately and we can discuss on the points I'm unsure about the proposal I'm writing and find better solutions together. I feel that writing on this mailing list is not such a good way to find good solutions to problems, while it appears a wonderful place to find problems. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
Le 10.10.22 à 19:55, Davidoskky via Tagging a écrit : (BTW, I want to document existing tagging here and tap=yes has 347 uses while man_made=water_tap 23 711 uses - though if someone wants to make proposal they are welcome, tagging scheme is quite rotten here) I have been looking at the current uses of tap=* and water_tap=* as I'm planning to make a proposal for tap=*. I was think about a proposal about water_tap because if you want to map the feature of a man_man=water_tap when it'sn't the main feature, well keeping the same string is a batter idea than "man_made=A but B=yes/no Do you know if a tag already exist to describe the presence of a tap in a building ? a tap like the one used in man_made=water_tap ? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
On 10/10/22 18:25, Marc_marc wrote: of course, I share your opinion since it breaks the tag chain system : a sub-tag rafines the "upper" tag which must therefore be present. it is the expression that at least one tag is missing to describe the common characteristic between these amenity=fountain and these amenity=driking_water Do you have any alternative idea on how to deal with this? I already proposed the two ideas I got: either having amenity=fountain also describe non decorative fountains and thus deprecate fountain=* as subtag of amenity=drinking_water or introducing a new key for all those values of fountain=* that are not decorative fountains, so that fountain=* doesn't have to be a subtag of amenity=drinking_water. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
(BTW, I want to document existing tagging here and tap=yes has 347 uses while man_made=water_tap 23 711 uses - though if someone wants to make proposal they are welcome, tagging scheme is quite rotten here) I have been looking at the current uses of tap=* and water_tap=* as I'm planning to make a proposal for tap=*. tap=* and water_tap=* are currently being used to tag the presence of a water tap in a building. tap=* is used in Dominican Republic and the values used are "yes", "no" or the number of water taps in the building. water_tap=* is used in Venezuela to indicate if a fuel station has a water tap available. Writing a proposal for tap=* becomes even more difficult if I have to keep these uses in mind. Do you know if a tag already exist to describe the presence of a tap in a building? I think tap=* is appropriate, but maybe something else is already available. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
Le 10.10.22 à 18:07, Davidoskky via Tagging a écrit : having fountain=* as subtag of amenity=drinking_water does not look like a good solution to me of course, I share your opinion since it breaks the tag chain system : a sub-tag rafines the "upper" tag which must therefore be present. it is the expression that at least one tag is missing to describe the common characteristic between these amenity=fountain and these amenity=driking_water ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
It is true that OpenStreetMap allows for any tag you like, but this isn’t meant to encourage you to devalue established tags by using them differently from how they are typically used. What would be the benefit you expect from such retagging? This is not something I am suggesting; this is the current state of things. fountain=drinking is currently a subtag of amenity=fountain and it is documented in the wiki. fountain=* is unfortunately also a subtag of amenity=drinking_water, I just noticed this and I think that this makes it even more confusing. Anyway, I have proposed another solution: the introduction of a new key to cover all these features; a proposal for it was made but it was withdrawn due to fierce criticism, among which was yours since you disliked the fact that it deprecated some tags you're using. I do see the problems in both approaches; but also having fountain=* as subtag of amenity=drinking_water does not look like a good solution to me. Moreover, what is the point of having values of fountain=* that do not apply to the amenity=fountain main key? For example, this approach does not allow tagging fountains which are not decorative and that do not provide drinking water. You can tag them as man_made=water_tap if they have a tap, if a tap is not present these cannot be tagged according to this scheme, because: - No tap, thus no man_made=water_tap - Not a decorative fountain, thus no amenity=fountain - No drinking water, thus no amenity=drinking_water ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
Oct 10, 2022, 15:45 by marc_m...@mailo.com: I started this thread to confirm/reject listing https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Bubbler.jpg as man_made=water_tap fountain=bubbler drinking_water=yes amenity=drinking_water > > how can you have a sub-tag fountain=* without a main tag *=fountain ? > I have not designed this tagging scheme, and apparently depending on situation it is - subtag of amenity=fountain - subtag of amenity=drinking_water - primary tag ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯ ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
>So "water tap" is referring only to control mechanism that enables user to >start water flow?>(and sometimes also stop water flow) >Not to entire water delivery apparatus? Yes!, Just like my house HAS a door (which controls entry and leaving), but my house IS_NOT a door. So a water-delivery device (whtever you call it) can HAVE a tap (to contol flow of water leaving), but that does NOT mean that the whole thing IS a tap. Regards,Peter PeterPan99 On Sunday, 9 October 2022 at 22:18:50 BST, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Oct 9, 2022, 23:08 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: sent from a phone On 9 Oct 2022, at 22:56, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Let me know if this edit was right or wrong (I am quite confused here, and this is why I want to document this to make situation less confusing). IMHO saying it _is_ a water tap is confusing, I’d say it _has_ a water tap, i.e. tap=yes wait. So "water tap" is referring only to control mechanism that enables user to start water flow? (and sometimes also stop water flow) Not to entire water delivery apparatus? (BTW, I want to document existing tagging here and tap=yes has 347 uses while man_made=water_tap 23 711 uses - though if someone wants to make proposal they are welcome, tagging scheme is quite rotten here) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
sent from a phone > On 10 Oct 2022, at 15:34, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Do we tag > > the waste receptacle > > or > > the tap > > or > > the drinking fountain > > ?? Which is the feature primarily there for? To me that is the drinking > fountain. I'd leave out the tap and the waste receptacle if you want to tag it all in one node, you could add tap=yes and bin=yes, the latter is often used for bus stops with a waste bin. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
sent from a phone > On 10 Oct 2022, at 09:12, Davidoskky via Tagging > wrote: > > I like this, but I'd remove amenity=drinking_water rather than > drinking_water=yes, because you _should_ add the tag amenity=fountain. this would be completely inconsistent with the usage of the amenity=fountain tag in OpenStreetMap as far as I have seen it in multiple countries. It is true that OpenStreetMap allows for any tag you like, but this isn’t meant to encourage you to devalue established tags by using them differently from how they are typically used. What would be the benefit you expect from such retagging? Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
I started this thread to confirm/reject listing https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Bubbler.jpg as man_made=water_tap fountain=bubbler drinking_water=yes amenity=drinking_water how can you have a sub-tag fountain=* without a main tag *=fountain ? next time I map one, I 'll use amenity=drinking_water tap=yes flow_direction=up this doesn't prevent to have drinking_water for amenity=fountain ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
On 10/10/22 08:20, stevea wrote: I continue to call "bubblers" (although I personally call them "drinking fountains") emitting a jot of water on button press "water taps," as it is that button press that makes them a "tap." Yes, they are both drinking fountains / bubblers, too, as well as amenity=drinking_water, I hope it is all clear (how I see things). And, I continue to listen, this is sort of fascinating, in an "oh, my gosh, look how we have had to drag this out" kind of way. ___ To me a drinking fountain provides water for easy immediate human consumption of water without any aids. Here they usually have a control device, a tap' and a waste receptacle. Do we tag the waste receptacle or the tap or the drinking fountain ?? Which is the feature primarily there for? To me that is the drinking fountain. I'd leave out the tap and the waste receptacle. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
I started this thread to confirm/reject listing https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Bubbler.jpg as man_made=water_tap fountain=bubbler drinking_water=yes amenity=drinking_water replace man_made=water_tap with tap=yes and I subscribe. Also remove the redundant drinking_water=yes, it is implied by amenity=drinking_water I like this, but I'd remove amenity=drinking_water rather than drinking_water=yes, because you _should_ add the tag amenity=fountain. +1 for tap=yes. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
On Mon, 10 Oct 2022 at 10:13, stevea wrote: > > > replace man_made=water_tap with tap=yes and I subscribe. Also remove the > redundant drinking_water=yes, it is implied by amenity=drinking_water > > This makes a lot of sense; +1. > Yep! Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
On Oct 9, 2022, at 5:06 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> On 9 Oct 2022, at 23:21, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging >> wrote: >> >> I started this thread to confirm/reject listing >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Bubbler.jpg as >> man_made=water_tap >> fountain=bubbler >> drinking_water=yes >> amenity=drinking_water > > replace man_made=water_tap with tap=yes and I subscribe. Also remove the > redundant drinking_water=yes, it is implied by amenity=drinking_water This makes a lot of sense; +1. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
sent from a phone > On 9 Oct 2022, at 23:21, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > I started this thread to confirm/reject listing > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Bubbler.jpg as > man_made=water_tap > fountain=bubbler > drinking_water=yes > amenity=drinking_water replace man_made=water_tap with tap=yes and I subscribe. Also remove the redundant drinking_water=yes, it is implied by amenity=drinking_water Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
sent from a phone > On 9 Oct 2022, at 23:21, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > Which one? > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Water_flowing_from_drinking_water_tap.jpg > ? yes, this one is not very clear, although the sticker they added makes it clear it is fine for drinking, apparently you have to bring a glass or bottle in order to drink without too much hazzle (you could drink there if it was without alternatives, for sure, but with alternatives you’d probably avoid it, because push buttons are generally uncomfortable and in this instance there is also too few distance to the support). The picture is not clear because we do not get to see the whole thing, just the tap > Then I have not added in edit mentioned in this thread and I am still > confused about it > and asked some question that I hope will clarify situation (I am confused how > it > differs from https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Fontanella_Bolsena.jpg - the Bolsena one is clearly a drinking fountain made for people and animals, and is also styled like one so it can be identified from a distance (if you know local habits), the other one is not so clear but I wouldn’t complain if it was tagged as fountain=drinking Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
On Oct 9, 2022, at 1:53 PM, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > As the next part of drinking water linguistic journey I documented at > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dwater_tap#Examples > (bottom example) that bubblers are mostly water taps, despite that > it may be highly confusing for some people which are not native > speakers. > > Like me. > > Let me know if this edit was right or wrong (I am quite confused here, > and this is why I want to document this to make situation less confusing). "Drinking water linguistic journey" is both accurate and nearly hilarious (well, mirthful to me, at least)! I think your edit is accurate, Mateusz, especially as you clarify a water tap has the feature that it is "activated by its user." Martin, "tap=yes" is sort of mathematically (boolean-ly?) unambiguous and I'm glad OSM as a database can strip it down like this. Whether the correct verb for this noun is "is" or "has" might be confusing for the former (but not the latter), but both verbs work just fine for me (a native English speaker). When one says "is" (a water tap) one means "the entire fixture acts as one" and when one says "has" one means "the spigot feature (smaller than the entirety of the whole device) is the thing the device has that acts as a water tap." Whew, English! Journeys through it. I hope that this (what a long, strange trip it's been...) can add some clarity to however we finally document the various flavors of tap, drinking water, et cetera. It's work, but it's worth it, as there MUST be a finish line in our future! I continue to call "bubblers" (although I personally call them "drinking fountains") emitting a jot of water on button press "water taps," as it is that button press that makes them a "tap." Yes, they are both drinking fountains / bubblers, too, as well as amenity=drinking_water, I hope it is all clear (how I see things). And, I continue to listen, this is sort of fascinating, in an "oh, my gosh, look how we have had to drag this out" kind of way. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
Oct 9, 2022, 23:06 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > > sent from a phone > > >> On 9 Oct 2022, at 22:56, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging >> wrote: >> >> As the next part of drinking water linguistic journey I documented at >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dwater_tap#Examples >> (bottom example) that bubblers are mostly water taps, despite that >> it may be highly confusing for some people which are not native >> speakers. >> > > > the cylinder shaped drinking water fountain/water tap you set as example for > water tap, if I counted right, was seen by 2 people as not a drinking > fountain (Warin and stevea), while I said it was one or could be seen as one > and you and marcmarc haven‘t been explicit. Maybe I missed someone in the > count? I wouldn’t use such “survey results” to back anything in the wiki, and > would not make suggestions in the wiki for the tagging of such edge cases. > Which one? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Water_flowing_from_drinking_water_tap.jpg ? Then I have not added in edit mentioned in this thread and I am still confused about it and asked some question that I hope will clarify situation (I am confused how it differs from https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Fontanella_Bolsena.jpg - or is https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fountain also requiring changes or maybe entire fountain=drinking value is also broken). I started this thread to confirm/reject listing https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Bubbler.jpg as man_made=water_tap fountain=bubbler drinking_water=yes amenity=drinking_water ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
Oct 9, 2022, 23:08 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > > sent from a phone > >> On 9 Oct 2022, at 22:56, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging >> wrote: >> >> Let me know if this edit was right or wrong (I am quite confused here, >> and this is why I want to document this to make situation less confusing). >> > > > IMHO saying it _is_ a water tap is confusing, I’d say it _has_ a water tap, > i.e. tap=yes > wait. So "water tap" is referring only to control mechanism that enables user to start water flow? (and sometimes also stop water flow) Not to entire water delivery apparatus? (BTW, I want to document existing tagging here and tap=yes has 347 uses while man_made=water_tap 23 711 uses - though if someone wants to make proposal they are welcome, tagging scheme is quite rotten here) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
sent from a phone > On 9 Oct 2022, at 22:56, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > Let me know if this edit was right or wrong (I am quite confused here, > and this is why I want to document this to make situation less confusing). IMHO saying it _is_ a water tap is confusing, I’d say it _has_ a water tap, i.e. tap=yes Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
sent from a phone > On 9 Oct 2022, at 22:56, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > As the next part of drinking water linguistic journey I documented at > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dwater_tap#Examples > (bottom example) that bubblers are mostly water taps, despite that > it may be highly confusing for some people which are not native > speakers. the cylinder shaped drinking water fountain/water tap you set as example for water tap, if I counted right, was seen by 2 people as not a drinking fountain (Warin and stevea), while I said it was one or could be seen as one and you and marcmarc haven‘t been explicit. Maybe I missed someone in the count? I wouldn’t use such “survey results” to back anything in the wiki, and would not make suggestions in the wiki for the tagging of such edge cases. Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps
As the next part of drinking water linguistic journey I documented at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dwater_tap#Examples (bottom example) that bubblers are mostly water taps, despite that it may be highly confusing for some people which are not native speakers. Like me. Let me know if this edit was right or wrong (I am quite confused here, and this is why I want to document this to make situation less confusing). Edit was done in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:man_made%3Dwater_tap=2417001=2416998 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging