Re: [Tagging] Are addresses features or attributes?

2013-07-22 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 22.07.2013 04:21, Clifford Snow wrote: On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at mailto:b...@volki.at wrote: When a shop changes, it is true that the address is more permanent. Just like the coordinates are more permanent. But we won't necessarily keep

Re: [Tagging] Are addresses features or attributes?

2013-07-22 Thread fly
Am 22.07.2013 06:53, schrieb Bryce Nesbitt: On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 7:21 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us mailto:cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: I'm in favor of keeping addresses on vacant lots. Vacant lots often get rebuilt It would be nice if we had an

Re: [Tagging] Are addresses features or attributes?

2013-07-22 Thread Pieren
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 3:26 PM, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: The major problem I have: The common tools do not take an address from a surrounding/parent polygon and use to it to get display the address. Even nominatum does not handle that right. This argument recalls the

Re: [Tagging] Are addresses features or attributes?

2013-07-22 Thread Tobias
This argument recalls the discussions about the is_in tag... The POI within a building polygon containing the address is just the next refinement after the street way within the municipality polygon. All common GIS software are able to do it. I agree. But it is really unsatisfactory that even

Re: [Tagging] Are addresses features or attributes?

2013-07-21 Thread Pieren
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 11:04 PM, Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at wrote: Adresses are attributes of physical objects, e.g. a parcel, a house, or a part of a house. Parcels can be merged and deleted, houses can be replaced, shops/restaurants/POI's may change at any time but the addresses

Re: [Tagging] Are addresses features or attributes?

2013-07-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
On 21/lug/2013, at 14:06, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: Parcels can be merged and deleted, houses can be replaced, shops/restaurants/POI's may change at any time but the addresses remain this might depend on the region you look at. Houses that are replaced usually keep the number in

Re: [Tagging] Are addresses features or attributes?

2013-07-21 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 21.07.2013 14:06, Pieren wrote: Parcels can be merged and deleted, houses can be replaced, shops/restaurants/POI's may change at any time but the addresses remain. It is more permanent as a simple 'attribute' than all the 'features' you mention. When a parcel is deleted, the address gets

Re: [Tagging] Are addresses features or attributes?

2013-07-21 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at wrote: When a shop changes, it is true that the address is more permanent. Just like the coordinates are more permanent. But we won't necessarily keep them in OSM if there's no shop anymore. As this is unusual, let's habe a look

Re: [Tagging] Are addresses features or attributes?

2013-07-21 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 7:21 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.uswrote: I'm in favor of keeping addresses on vacant lots. Vacant lots often get rebuilt It would be nice if we had an option to retain the address node. JOSM is easier, just delete the unwanted tags. I haven't figured

Re: [Tagging] Are addresses features or attributes?

2013-07-20 Thread Markus Lindholm
On 19 July 2013 18:42, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Forking the discussion from Double and misfitting house numbers On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: Not for me. I think the address is a feature by ifself, not an attribute of other features

Re: [Tagging] Are addresses features or attributes?

2013-07-20 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 19.07.2013 18:42, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: I want to know what do people think about addresses. 1. Are addresses features as Pieren suggests? Thus addresses should be mapped separately or at least tagged singularly on the primary object that represents the address. 2. Or are addresses

Re: [Tagging] Are addresses features or attributes?

2013-07-20 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 19.07.2013 19:43, Elliott Plack wrote: For example: a vacant lot often has an address, but there doesn't need to be a building there. In this case, the address is an attribute of the parcel, the piece of land. It's an attribute anyway. Also some shopping centers have multiple addresses

Re: [Tagging] Are addresses features or attributes?

2013-07-20 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 19.07.2013 19:43, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: they are both. If you investigated the situation and you are sure that you can provide a good estimate for a polygon describing an address I'd say that's preferable and you don't have to add address duplicates to all features inside this polygon,

[Tagging] Are addresses features or attributes?

2013-07-19 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Forking the discussion from Double and misfitting house numbers On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: Not for me. I think the address is a feature by ifself, not an attribute of other features (like 'name'). I want to know what do people think about addresses. 1.

Re: [Tagging] Are addresses features or attributes?

2013-07-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/7/19 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com 1. Are addresses features as Pieren suggests? Thus addresses should be mapped separately or at least tagged singularly on the primary object that represents the address. 2. Or are addresses attributes (like names) of POIs, buildings, and the

Re: [Tagging] Are addresses features or attributes?

2013-07-19 Thread Elliott Plack
I like the address as a feature approach because not all addressed 'things' exist, and 'things' can have many addresses. That's how we deal with addresses in my gov's GIS. For example: a vacant lot often has an address, but there doesn't need to be a building there. Also some shopping

Re: [Tagging] Are addresses features or attributes?

2013-07-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/7/19 Elliott Plack elliott.pl...@gmail.com For example: a vacant lot often has an address, but there doesn't need to be a building there. Also some shopping centers have multiple addresses for the same building, so we make address points for each entrance or centroid. yes, this is

Re: [Tagging] Are addresses features or attributes?

2013-07-19 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Sometimes a lot's address (for tax purposes) is different from the building address (which may be driven by a desire to be on a more 'popular' street name). ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org