Re: [Tagging] Camps

2015-05-07 Thread phil
On Wed May 6 23:21:41 2015 GMT+0100, David Bannon wrote: On Wed, 2015-05-06 at 11:09 +, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: A resort is usually a town whos primary purpose is tourism. A resort is not operated by a single company, and access is not restricted. Resort should probably

Re: [Tagging] Camps

2015-05-07 Thread David Bannon
On Thu, 2015-05-07 at 07:12 +, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: OK Phil, I was not aware of that difference. So that leaves us wonder what to call those UK Holiday Camps ? Leave it to the UK people I guess. There are not many left, they were of their time. In the UK context

Re: [Tagging] Camps

2015-05-07 Thread Dave Swarthout
To add to that, Thailand has many tourist facilities named resort but we would call them hotels. They are not for camping. On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 4:11 AM, David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net wrote: On Thu, 2015-05-07 at 07:12 +, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: OK Phil, I was not aware of

Re: [Tagging] Camps

2015-05-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-05-05 23:35 GMT+02:00 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com: The core question is: should this be a top level tag: leisure=camp_site leisure=communal_activity_camp leisure=caravan_site Or subtags: leisure=camp_site caravans=dedicated tents=yes

Re: [Tagging] Camps

2015-05-06 Thread phil
On Wed May 6 00:08:17 2015 GMT+0100, David Bannon wrote: On Tue, 2015-05-05 at 09:44 +, Jerry Clough - OSM wrote: It seems to me that the obvious generalisation, which would cover camps organised for profit and by non-profits would be leisure=vacation_camp. I don't think

Re: [Tagging] Camps

2015-05-06 Thread phil
On Wed May 6 11:49:39 2015 GMT+0100, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: ... very specific British connotations associated with holiday_camp. Yes, I would consider the british holiday camps would be better called resorts (?). The permanent building being the clue. -1 A resort is

Re: [Tagging] Camps

2015-05-06 Thread Jerry Clough - OSM
sk53_...@yahoo.co.uk; Tag discussion, strategy and related tools tagging@openstreetmap.org Sent: Wednesday, 6 May 2015, 0:08 Subject: Re: [Tagging] Camps On Tue, 2015-05-05 at 09:44 +, Jerry Clough - OSM wrote:   It seems to me that the obvious generalisation, which would cover camps

Re: [Tagging] Camps

2015-05-06 Thread David Bannon
, strategy and related tools tagging@openstreetmap.org Sent: Wednesday, 6 May 2015, 0:08 Subject: Re: [Tagging] Camps On Tue, 2015-05-05 at 09:44 +, Jerry Clough - OSM wrote: It seems to me that the obvious generalisation, which would cover camps organised for profit and by non

Re: [Tagging] Camps

2015-05-06 Thread David Bannon
On Wed, 2015-05-06 at 11:09 +, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: A resort is usually a town whos primary purpose is tourism. A resort is not operated by a single company, and access is not restricted. Resort should probably be avoided due to totally different meanings between BE and AE.

Re: [Tagging] Camps

2015-05-06 Thread pmailkeey .
On 6 May 2015 at 10:56, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-05-05 23:35 GMT+02:00 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com: The core question is: should this be a top level tag: leisure=camp_site leisure=communal_activity_camp leisure=caravan_site Or subtags:

Re: [Tagging] Camps

2015-05-05 Thread David Bannon
On Tue, 2015-05-05 at 09:44 +, Jerry Clough - OSM wrote: It seems to me that the obvious generalisation, which would cover camps organised for profit and by non-profits would be leisure=vacation_camp. I don't think 'vacation' or 'leisure' are good terms at all. A lot of people use the

Re: [Tagging] Camps

2015-05-05 Thread pmailkeey .
@openstreetmap.org *Sent:* Tuesday, 5 May 2015, 10:01 *Subject:* Re: [Tagging] Camps On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 1:35 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: organised_camp doesn't add any information compared to camp, any kind of camp will be organised. (medical camp, refugee camp

Re: [Tagging] Camps

2015-05-05 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 1:35 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: organised_camp doesn't add any information compared to camp, any kind of camp will be organised. (medical camp, refugee camp, detention camp, summer camp, military camp, ...) Sure it adds information. At a

Re: [Tagging] Camps

2015-05-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-05-05 11:01 GMT+02:00 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com: At a campground each camper is free to organize their time among their own group. At scout, military and summer camp there is a scheduled program campers are expected to participate in. OK, agree, but still it would be bad

Re: [Tagging] Camps

2015-05-05 Thread John Willis
Do we really need to tag activity type? Religion, sports, or operator should take care of it. There's not a a lot of Buddhism practice at my school camp (any at all?), nor would I expect religion to be the activity - it is merely the operator or the thing in common. I bet the people at the

Re: [Tagging] Camps

2015-05-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-05-05 3:25 GMT+02:00 pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com: Too big a jump, I think. Bearing in mind it is under leisure, how about 'organised_camp' ? May want to hold that for something else. . . Such as ? organised_camp doesn't add any information compared to camp, any kind of

Re: [Tagging] Camps

2015-05-05 Thread Jerry Clough - OSM
simple hotels described as resorts; and elsewhere it refers to holiday centres of the likes of ClubMed.  Jerry   From: Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools tagging@openstreetmap.org Sent: Tuesday, 5 May 2015, 10:01 Subject: Re: [Tagging] Camps

Re: [Tagging] Camps

2015-05-05 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
The core question is: should this be a top level tag: leisure=camp_site leisure=communal_activity_camp leisure=caravan_site Or subtags: leisure=camp_site caravans=dedicated tents=yes communal_activity_camp=no sanitary_dump_station=no leisure=camp_site operator=Girl

[Tagging] Camps

2015-05-04 Thread Mark Bradley
Greetings. In the wiki under the leisure key group there is a value called summer_camp. I would like to propose that the value be changed to simply camp. Many of these camps operate year round. Also, the description refers to children and adolescents, but some of these camps also cater to

Re: [Tagging] Camps

2015-05-04 Thread Tod Fitch
Reading about a refugee situation the other day I realized that “camp” can mean quite different things in different contexts. So I’d be a bit leery about going from a fairly specific term to a more general one, even if I doubt that a refugee camp would be tagged under leisure. Perhaps, to be

Re: [Tagging] Camps

2015-05-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-05-04 15:30 GMT+02:00 Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com: Reading about a refugee situation the other day I realized that “camp” can mean quite different things in different contexts. So I’d be a bit leery about going from a fairly specific term to a more general one, even if I doubt that a

[Tagging] Camps

2015-05-04 Thread Mark Bradley
Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 06:30:33 -0700 From: Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com mailto:t...@fitchdesign.com To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools tagging@openstreetmap.org mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] Camps Message-ID: c0cdf3a2-52d6-4dfb

Re: [Tagging] Camps

2015-05-04 Thread pmailkeey .
On 4 May 2015 at 21:39, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: On May 4, 2015, at 1:02 PM, pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com wrote: Too big a jump, I think. Bearing in mind it is under leisure, how about 'organised_camp' ? May want to hold that for something else. . . Such as ?

Re: [Tagging] Camps

2015-05-04 Thread Tod Fitch
On May 4, 2015, at 1:02 PM, pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com wrote: Too big a jump, I think. Bearing in mind it is under leisure, how about 'organised_camp' ? May want to hold that for something else. . . In at least one forest area I know of the agency managing the area calls

Re: [Tagging] Camps

2015-05-04 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 4:50 AM, Mark Bradley ethnicfoodisgr...@gmail.com wrote: In the wiki under the leisure key group there is a value called summer_camp. I would like to propose that the value be changed to simply camp. Many of these camps operate year round. Also, the description refers

Re: [Tagging] Camps

2015-05-04 Thread pmailkeey .
On 4 May 2015 at 12:50, Mark Bradley ethnicfoodisgr...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings. In the wiki under the leisure key group there is a value called summer_camp. I would like to propose that the value be changed to simply camp. Many of these camps operate year round. Also, the description

Re: [Tagging] Camps

2015-05-04 Thread John Willis
. -1 Too easily confused with campgrounds. Yep, +1 The core difference between a summer camp and a campground is that the former has organized communal activities, and probably one or more themes (kids, religion, archery, etc.), and probably restrictions on arrival and departure

Re: [Tagging] Camps

2015-05-04 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 5:36 PM, John Willis jo...@mac.com wrote: I think this will best handled in operator for existing camp sites (plus access=private) or possibly make a separate tag under school= for the school camps - as those are usually very affiliated with the district or region operating