Re: [Tagging] Canopy radius for natural=tree
On 25.02.2015 11:47, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: it is using the natural language notation with space (underscore) rather than diameter:crown. I feel that this differentiation became blurry due to the random use of : and _ for _type and :type suffixes. -- Friedrich K. Volkmann http://www.volki.at/ Adr.: Davidgasse 76-80/14/10, 1100 Wien, Austria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Canopy radius for natural=tree
2015-02-25 14:23 GMT+01:00 Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at: On 25.02.2015 11:47, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: it is using the natural language notation with space (underscore) rather than diameter:crown. I feel that this differentiation became blurry due to the random use of : and _ for _type and :type suffixes. there are other indications that diameter_crown is the odd one in our tagging systems: search for diameter in taginfo http://taginfo.osm.org/search?q=diameter and you'll find 168K fire_hydrant:diameter 145K diameter_crown 3,5 K hole:diameter 2 K rotor:diameter and a lot of not so much used other diameters, including 2 trunk:diameter but 0 trunk_diameter. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Canopy radius for natural=tree
This construct does not come from a natural language. It's rather computer programming style, like class::subclass (see maxwidth:physical=*, name:en=* etc.), and it's also in spirit of mathematical notation (functions, subscripts), like diameter(crown). On 23.02.2015 23:48, Colin Smale wrote: No adjectives here... Crown diameter is a compound noun composed of two nouns. More likely a germanic language where the juxtaposition implies a genitive - diameter crown -- diameter of the crown. Could certainly be Dutch or German - it's a very common construct. On 2015-02-23 23:22, John F. Eldredge wrote: True. English usually has an adjective followed by a noun. I would guess that diameter crown was probably written by someone more familiar with a language where adjectives follow nouns. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. On February 23, 2015 3:17:33 PM Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com wrote: diameter crown also doesn't appear to be vernacular English, unfortunately. Crown diameter or crown spread seem to be more widely used. For example, see http://www.treeterms.co.uk/definitions/crown-diameter, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_crown_measurement#Crown_Spread_Methodologies -- Friedrich K. Volkmann http://www.volki.at/ Adr.: Davidgasse 76-80/14/10, 1100 Wien, Austria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Canopy radius for natural=tree
2015-02-25 11:41 GMT+01:00 Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at: This construct does not come from a natural language. It's rather computer programming style, like class::subclass (see maxwidth:physical=*, name:en=* etc.), and it's also in spirit of mathematical notation (functions, subscripts), like diameter(crown). yes. But it is using the natural language notation with space (underscore) rather than diameter:crown. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Canopy radius for natural=tree
Having seen a tiny rendered dot for a large tree, I went to add a canopy radius. Despite the rather comprehensive http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dtree there did not seem to be a tag. What would people use? radius=valueunit ? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Canopy radius for natural=tree
diameter crown also doesn't appear to be vernacular English, unfortunately. Crown diameter or crown spread seem to be more widely used. For example, see http://www.treeterms.co.uk/definitions/crown-diameter, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_crown_measurement#Crown_Spread_Methodologies On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: On 24/02/2015 5:09 AM, althio wrote: From usage at http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/natural=tree#combinations I will suggest you look into: 145 135 diameter_crown http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/diameter_crown=* Missing documentation in the wiki? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:natural%3Dtree#Size The suggestion there is tree_spread .. also undocumented. diameter_crown looks to be used by JOSM ... pity they did not document it. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Canopy radius for natural=tree
No adjectives here... Crown diameter is a compound noun composed of two nouns. More likely a germanic language where the juxtaposition implies a genitive - diameter crown -- diameter of the crown. Could certainly be Dutch or German - it's a very common construct. On 2015-02-23 23:22, John F. Eldredge wrote: True. English usually has an adjective followed by a noun. I would guess that diameter crown was probably written by someone more familiar with a language where adjectives follow nouns. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. On February 23, 2015 3:17:33 PM Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com wrote: diameter crown also doesn't appear to be vernacular English, unfortunately. Crown diameter or crown spread seem to be more widely used. For example, see http://www.treeterms.co.uk/definitions/crown-diameter [1], and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_crown_measurement#Crown_Spread_Methodologies [2] On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: On 24/02/2015 5:09 AM, althio wrote: From usage at http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/natural=tree#combinations [3] I will suggest you look into: 145 135 diameter_crown [4]=* Missing documentation in the wiki? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:natural%3Dtree#Size [5] The suggestion there is tree_spread .. also undocumented. diameter_crown looks to be used by JOSM ... pity they did not document it. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging [6] ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging [6] ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging [6] Links: -- [1] http://www.treeterms.co.uk/definitions/crown-diameter [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_crown_measurement#Crown_Spread_Methodologies [3] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/natural=tree#combinations [4] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/diameter_crown [5] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:natural%3Dtree#Size [6] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Canopy radius for natural=tree
True. English usually has an adjective followed by a noun. I would guess that diameter crown was probably written by someone more familiar with a language where adjectives follow nouns. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. On February 23, 2015 3:17:33 PM Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com wrote: diameter crown also doesn't appear to be vernacular English, unfortunately. Crown diameter or crown spread seem to be more widely used. For example, see http://www.treeterms.co.uk/definitions/crown-diameter, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_crown_measurement#Crown_Spread_Methodologies On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: On 24/02/2015 5:09 AM, althio wrote: From usage at http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/natural=tree#combinations I will suggest you look into: 145 135 diameter_crown http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/diameter_crown=* Missing documentation in the wiki? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:natural%3Dtree#Size The suggestion there is tree_spread .. also undocumented. diameter_crown looks to be used by JOSM ... pity they did not document it. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Canopy radius for natural=tree
On 23.02.2015 19:09, althio wrote: I will suggest you look into: 145 135 diameter_crown http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/diameter_crown=* With only 30 users, that's almost certainly an import. So we should not let this dictate our tag choice if there are reasons to choose a different option. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging