Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

2014-08-19 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-19 0:38 GMT+02:00 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: For example, I consider it problematic to duplicate the functionality of the image key by allowing links to individual images. And I guess there will be different opinions whether a wikidata link should always replace commons links

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

2014-08-19 Thread Jo
FYI it will remain a numeric ID, so it's unlikely you will ever become unagainst it. Editor support may help in displaying a human readable tag, but that will depend on the software, of course. Jo 2014-08-19 8:52 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com: 2014-08-19 0:38 GMT+02:00

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

2014-08-19 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-19 9:11 GMT+02:00 Jo winfi...@gmail.com: FYI it will remain a numeric ID, so it's unlikely you will ever become unagainst it. Editor support may help in displaying a human readable tag, but that will depend on the software, of course. Jo 2014-08-19 8:52 GMT+02:00 Mateusz

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

2014-08-18 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-17 20:45 GMT+02:00 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com: On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 7:45 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: What should we sue to link to Wikimedia commons categories like: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:St_Paul,_Birmingham I've

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

2014-08-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 18/ago/2014, alle ore 00:44, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk ha scritto: OK, how's this : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:wikimedia_commons as a start? +1, but could have been in the proposal address space, given that it is not in use... Cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

2014-08-18 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 18 August 2014 07:20, Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com wrote: Some minor objects may have category/image on Wikimedia Commons but have no wikidata and never will have - see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Notability In which case, pick the best/ most representative image, and

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

2014-08-18 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2014-08-18 9:25 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Il giorno 18/ago/2014, alle ore 00:44, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk ha scritto: OK, how's this : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:wikimedia_commons as a start? +1, but could have been in

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

2014-08-18 Thread John Packer
Perhaps such a category should only be tagged exactly when it's not linked on a wikidata page. Otherwise it seems unnecessary. As Andreas mentioned, if people can add this tag even when it's linked on the wikidata page, eventually people will start adding wikiquote=* wikivoyage=* and so on.

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

2014-08-18 Thread fly
Am 18.08.2014 10:15, schrieb Mateusz Konieczny: 2014-08-18 9:25 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com: Il giorno 18/ago/2014, alle ore 00:44, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk mailto:a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk ha

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

2014-08-18 Thread Janko Mihelić
Commons is getting its own Wikibase installation, in addition to being present in Wikidata. So every photograph, video or audio is going to have it's own Commons Wikibase ID, with structured properties about that item. Each category will probably have it's own ID as well. The problem is, this

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

2014-08-18 Thread John Packer
Some automatically evaluations to find tags with low numbers under main name space would be useful, as I find these kind of page quite often and it would ease administration. I think that's the closest to what you want: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/taginfo/apidoc#api_4_keys_all

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

2014-08-18 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 18 August 2014 13:43, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote: Please, move it under the proposal name space. To what end? Is there a counter proposal that means this might not be used? Is there significant opposition, that means this might not be used? Or is this just needless bureaucracy?

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

2014-08-18 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 18 August 2014 22:00, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: Commons is getting its own Wikibase installation, in addition to being present in Wikidata. So every photograph, video or audio is going to have it's own Commons Wikibase ID, with structured properties about that item. Each

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

2014-08-18 Thread John Packer
Andy, Usually there is no problem in creating a page documented the key or tag you want to use. I don't think this case is an exception. The only thing is that a key/tag documented without a proposal is more likely to have a future merge/redefinition/deprecation/etc. 2014-08-18 18:57 GMT-03:00

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

2014-08-18 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 18.08.2014 23:57, Andy Mabbett wrote: Is there significant opposition, that means this might not be used? The key itself is probably relatively uncontroversial, but the details need some discussion. For example, I consider it problematic to duplicate the functionality of the image key by

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

2014-08-18 Thread John Packer
For example, I consider it problematic to duplicate the functionality of the image key by allowing links to individual images. And I guess there will be different opinions whether a wikidata link should always replace commons links or whether they should coexist. +1 2014-08-18 19:38

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

2014-08-18 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 18 August 2014 23:38, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: The key itself is probably relatively uncontroversial, but the details need some discussion. I guess that's why we use a wiki, not tablets of stone. Be my guest. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

[Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

2014-08-17 Thread Andy Mabbett
It seems that people are using commons= for two different purposes: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/commons#values physical things that are freely available for common usage; like bicycle pumps and community gardens, but also links to Wikimedia Commons. How should we resolve this? What

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

2014-08-17 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 7:45 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: What should we sue to link to Wikimedia commons categories like: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:St_Paul,_Birmingham I've previously used Wikimedia_Commons=, but that's verbose; and I seem to be

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

2014-08-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 17/ago/2014, alle ore 13:45, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk ha scritto: I've previously used Wikimedia_Commons=, but that's verbose; and I seem to be alone in doing so. +1 If this makes any sense (maybe exceptions, cases that can't be covered with wikidata) I'd also

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

2014-08-17 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 17 August 2014 19:45, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 7:45 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: What should we sue to link to Wikimedia commons categories like: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:St_Paul,_Birmingham I've

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

2014-08-17 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 17 August 2014 21:31, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I've previously used Wikimedia_Commons=, but that's verbose; and I seem to be alone in doing so. +1 If this makes any sense (maybe exceptions, cases that can't be covered with wikidata) I'd also suggest the long

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

2014-08-17 Thread Andreas Goss
That would be my preference, but there has been some resistance to Wikidata tags, from people who prefer human-readable tag values; so I tend to use one of each. I think that would be better addressed by various tools grabbing the name for the Wikidata ID and then displaying it. Otherwise we