Re: [Tagging] Cooker or Stove in the kitchen?
On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 12:40, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > are these 2 things both called "stove" in British English? > > Some would call both of those a stove. Some would call only one of those a stove. Some would call neither of them a stove (one is a cooker, the other a wood burner). Usage changes. Fifty years ago it was fairly common to hear older people refer to a gas cooker as a gas stove, or even just a stove: they'd grown up with wood/coal-burning cookers called stoves, so the new gas cooker was a gas stove. Usage changes. People call things what the marketers call them. If it's advertised as a stove they call it a stove; if it's advertised as a cooker they call it a cooker. OTOH, if you ask people for a generic term for something with an oven and hob, they'll probably say cooker rather than stove. If you ask them a generic term for something that burns wood or coal to heat a room they'll probably say fire, unless you specify that it's in a closed container in which case they'll probably say stove. But that may depend upon where in the UK you ask. -- Paul ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Cooker or Stove in the kitchen?
Am Do., 16. Jan. 2020 um 01:38 Uhr schrieb Paul Allen : > On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 00:26, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > >> British English speakers: >> >> If you are mapping a device which burns fuel or uses electricity to >> cook food in a pot or pan, is this a "cooker" or a "stove" or >> something else? >> >> What if it has an oven included, or doesn't? >> > > With oven, and using electricity or gas, a cooker. Without an oven, using > electricity or gas, a hot plate or hob (US English means something > completely > different by "hob"). > > Wood or coal-burning, a stove. Which used to be use for the electric and > gas variants too, but it seems to have dropped out of British English > (well, > my idiolect) except for wood/coal burners. And even then, the wood/coal > burner might be called a cooker anyway. Or an Aga or other brand name. > are these 2 things both called "stove" in British English? for cooking with wood / coal fire: https://www.gartinex.de/images/produkte/i72/72526-kuechenofen-6-5-kw-sovrana-easy_2.jpg just or mostly for heating: https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/302234070808_/Ofen-Gusseisen-antik.jpg Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Cooker or Stove in the kitchen?
For American English, I think the common usage is still stove for a one piece unit. Cooktop/oven for separate units, but I think stove/oven might be common also. On 1/15/20 9:20 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 10:26, Joseph Eisenberg mailto:joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>> wrote: British English speakers: I hope Australian English counts? :-) If you are mapping a device which burns fuel or uses electricity to cook food in a pot or pan, is this a "cooker" or a "stove" or something else? They're stoves out here - electric stove, gas stove etc What if it has an oven included, or doesn't? One piece unit is still a stove, or if it's separate there's a stove & an oven Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Cooker or Stove in the kitchen?
On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 10:26, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > British English speakers: > I hope Australian English counts? :-) > If you are mapping a device which burns fuel or uses electricity to > cook food in a pot or pan, is this a "cooker" or a "stove" or > something else? > They're stoves out here - electric stove, gas stove etc > What if it has an oven included, or doesn't? > One piece unit is still a stove, or if it's separate there's a stove & an oven Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Cooker or Stove in the kitchen?
On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 01:49, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > Ok, so a propane or butane "camping stove" is a "hob", not a "cooker", > since it lacks an oven? > Didn't think about those. Probably a camping stove, even in British English. There's a lot of cross-cultural contamination. :) Cooker generally means an oven with hob. Without an oven, it's not a cooker. Without a hob, it's probably just an oven to most people. > > I suppose "stove" is used for wood and coal-fueled heating devices too? > For heating devices, yes, although "wood burner" or "log burner" are also common (but not "coal burner" AFAIK). For coal burners with glass windows, most people would call them fires. And just to show how illogical we Brits are, an electrical heater with elements that glow red is usually called an electric fire. Some even have tacky flame effects, but even without the flame effects it's still an electric fire. We also have electric heaters that have no visible elements and which heat internal bricks using cheap-rate electricity, known as storage heaters. Needs a special meter with a time clock, and an electricity supplier that offers cheaper rates off peak. -- Paul ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Cooker or Stove in the kitchen?
Ok, so a propane or butane "camping stove" is a "hob", not a "cooker", since it lacks an oven? I suppose "stove" is used for wood and coal-fueled heating devices too? -Joseph On 1/16/20, Paul Allen wrote: > On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 00:26, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > >> British English speakers: >> >> If you are mapping a device which burns fuel or uses electricity to >> cook food in a pot or pan, is this a "cooker" or a "stove" or >> something else? >> >> What if it has an oven included, or doesn't? >> > > With oven, and using electricity or gas, a cooker. Without an oven, using > electricity or gas, a hot plate or hob (US English means something > completely > different by "hob"). > > Wood or coal-burning, a stove. Which used to be use for the electric and > gas variants too, but it seems to have dropped out of British English > (well, > my idiolect) except for wood/coal burners. And even then, the wood/coal > burner might be called a cooker anyway. Or an Aga or other brand name. > > Oh, and then there are microwaves, slow cookers, etc. > > -- > Paul > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Cooker or Stove in the kitchen?
On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 00:26, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > British English speakers: > > If you are mapping a device which burns fuel or uses electricity to > cook food in a pot or pan, is this a "cooker" or a "stove" or > something else? > > What if it has an oven included, or doesn't? > With oven, and using electricity or gas, a cooker. Without an oven, using electricity or gas, a hot plate or hob (US English means something completely different by "hob"). Wood or coal-burning, a stove. Which used to be use for the electric and gas variants too, but it seems to have dropped out of British English (well, my idiolect) except for wood/coal burners. And even then, the wood/coal burner might be called a cooker anyway. Or an Aga or other brand name. Oh, and then there are microwaves, slow cookers, etc. -- Paul ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Cooker or Stove in the kitchen?
British English speakers: If you are mapping a device which burns fuel or uses electricity to cook food in a pot or pan, is this a "cooker" or a "stove" or something else? What if it has an oven included, or doesn't? - Joseph Eisenberg ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
