Re: [Tagging] Discourage use of landuse=churchyard?
Landuse=religious. We don’t have mosqueyard or shrineyard or templeyard. Wether or not there is a graveyard, a parking lot, a memorial, a statue, a bell tower or whatever inside the fence - doesn’t matter - the land designated to the main POW is tagged as landuse=religious. Everything on the grounds, from the gift shop to the wayside shrines along walking paths are all on the “grounds” of this named location. This is especially useful where the Landuse (the complex overall) has a different name than the individual buildings /POWs / other named objects that are on the grounds, which happens a lot in my area. This churchyard should be depreciated. Javbw > On Dec 23, 2019, at 2:29 PM, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > Used to map the area > surrounding a christian church or chapel ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Discourage use of landuse=churchyard?
sent from a phone > On 23. Dec 2019, at 06:29, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > I would recommend discouraging use of this tag, because the wiki > definition contradicts the plain-English meaning of churchyard, which > is usually a graveyard (cemetry) or burial ground next to a church. +1 IMHO we do not need another specific landuse here, there’s landuse=religious and amenity=graveyard (the latter seems to mean the same than what landuse =churchyard would imply if it meant what it sounded like) Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Discourage use of landuse=churchyard?
On 23/12/19 20:37, Tobias Zwick wrote: It could be useful to check (at random) how the tag is currently used - as synonym for graveyard, or for religious or both, at times (-> tag is ambiguos) and put that info in the wiki as well. If it's both as you suspect, it's a very good reason to point to the other tags instead. Tobias Am 23. Dezember 2019 06:27:55 MEZ schrieb Joseph Eisenberg : The tag landuse=churchyard has been used several thousand times, but amenity=graveyard is over 10 times more common, and landuse=religious is 4 times more common. I would recommend discouraging use of this tag, because the wiki definition contradicts the plain-English meaning of churchyard, which is usually a graveyard (cemetry) or burial ground next to a church. The wiki page for landuse=churchyard claims "Used to map the area surrounding a christian church or chapel, particularly when this does not contain a graveyard" - this conflicts with the common English definition of the value. Cambridge Dictionary (UK): "an area of land around a church, where dead bodies are buried" The Oxford Dictionary (UK) has: an area of land around a church, often used for burying people in So not necessarily a burial ground. Merriam-Webster (US): "a yard that belongs to a church and is often used as a burial ground." To avoid ambiguity, mappers can use the two well-accepted tags landuse=religious + religion=christian OR amenity=graveyard + religion=christian, depending on the situation. Agree that these 2 tags are less ambiguous. But then with some places it may be hard to tell if there are bodies buried there. I would like to update the wiki page for landuse=churchyard to suggest not using the tag and changing to one of the other two tags + religion=christian instead. - Joseph Eisenberg ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Discourage use of landuse=churchyard?
It could be useful to check (at random) how the tag is currently used - as synonym for graveyard, or for religious or both, at times (-> tag is ambiguos) and put that info in the wiki as well. If it's both as you suspect, it's a very good reason to point to the other tags instead. Tobias Am 23. Dezember 2019 06:27:55 MEZ schrieb Joseph Eisenberg : >The tag landuse=churchyard has been used several thousand times, but >amenity=graveyard is over 10 times more common, and landuse=religious >is 4 times more common. > >I would recommend discouraging use of this tag, because the wiki >definition contradicts the plain-English meaning of churchyard, which >is usually a graveyard (cemetry) or burial ground next to a church. > >The wiki page for landuse=churchyard claims "Used to map the area >surrounding a christian church or chapel, particularly when this does >not contain a graveyard" - this conflicts with the common English >definition of the value. > >Cambridge Dictionary (UK): >"an area of land around a church, where dead bodies are buried " > >Merriam-Webster (US): >"a yard that belongs to a church and is often used as a burial ground." > >To avoid ambiguity, mappers can use the two well-accepted tags >landuse=religious + religion=christian >OR >amenity=graveyard + religion=christian, depending on the situation. > >I would like to update the wiki page for landuse=churchyard to suggest >not using the tag and changing to one of the other two tags + >religion=christian instead. > >- Joseph Eisenberg > >___ >Tagging mailing list >Tagging@openstreetmap.org >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Discourage use of landuse=churchyard?
The tag landuse=churchyard has been used several thousand times, but amenity=graveyard is over 10 times more common, and landuse=religious is 4 times more common. I would recommend discouraging use of this tag, because the wiki definition contradicts the plain-English meaning of churchyard, which is usually a graveyard (cemetry) or burial ground next to a church. The wiki page for landuse=churchyard claims "Used to map the area surrounding a christian church or chapel, particularly when this does not contain a graveyard" - this conflicts with the common English definition of the value. Cambridge Dictionary (UK): "an area of land around a church, where dead bodies are buried " Merriam-Webster (US): "a yard that belongs to a church and is often used as a burial ground." To avoid ambiguity, mappers can use the two well-accepted tags landuse=religious + religion=christian OR amenity=graveyard + religion=christian, depending on the situation. I would like to update the wiki page for landuse=churchyard to suggest not using the tag and changing to one of the other two tags + religion=christian instead. - Joseph Eisenberg ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
