Re: [Tagging] Elevated housing estate

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Thanks everybody for your comments, but, to me, none of them really seem to
cover the situation, although stilts=yes seems to come closest, although it
also sounds rather strange!

Going back to my OP, I notice that I mentioned tagging the area as level=1,
thinking about it, maybe that should be layer=1?

Thanks

Graeme


On Fri, 27 Nov 2020 at 08:34, LeTopographeFou 
wrote:

> The issue with building=stilt_house is that two things are mixed in one
> key. I would prefer stilts=yes (2945 occurences) + building=* or place=*
> or highway=* or even landuse=* for a full redidential area.
>
> LeTopographeFou
>
> Le 25/11/2020 à 09:59, Alan Mackie a écrit :
>
> This probably isn't too far off from many of the larger man_made=pier
> structures in resort towns, although it lacks the water underneath most of
> the time. Would man_made=bridge be appropriate for the surrounding area?
>
> I think this is becomming fairly common in some flood prone areas, so
> dedicated tagging seems like a good idea, both for the usually dry
> situation, and for buildings that sit over water but don't even have
> vestigial mooring areas.
>
> The wiki lists building=stilt_house, but this seems overly specific.
> Whether a building is tagged as being on stilts should be independent of
> building use IMO. Regardless in this case min_level=1 seems about right to
> me to denote the absence of a ground floor.
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dpier
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:building%3Dstilt_house
>
> -Alan
>
> On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 at 06:34, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <
> tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>
>> add location=overhead on buildings and other objects?
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location
>>
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building:min_level
>>
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building:levels#Buildings_with_parts_that_don.27t_start_at_ground_level
>> (not sure can it be applied if entire building starts above ground level)
>>
>> Certainly add also description=* tag with info what is happening here,
>> maybe with link to this mailing list thread.
>>
>>
>> Nov 25, 2020, 01:00 by graemefi...@gmail.com:
>>
>> How do you tag an area, in this case an entire housing estate!, that is
>> raised up above ground level?
>>
>>
>> https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-28.065772,153.3799853,3a,15y,117.51h,89.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sN_TJvFHJyLff1E4GmiCSjQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
>> (with the usual not mapping from Google ...)
>>
>> Just draw the outline of the area & tag it as level=1?
>>
>> The main entry is via a bridge:
>> https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-28.0673717,153.3800556,3a,23.4y,28.84h,87.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBF_8z5ekricuuEFZnUJioQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
>> ,
>> which is ok, but should all the internal roads also be marked as bridges?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Graeme
>>
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Re: [Tagging] Elevated housing estate

[LeTopographeFou]

The issue with building=stilt_house is that two things are mixed in one 
key. I would prefer stilts=yes (2945 occurences) + building=* or place=* 
or highway=* or even landuse=* for a full redidential area.


LeTopographeFou

Le 25/11/2020 à 09:59, Alan Mackie a écrit :
This probably isn't too far off from many of the larger man_made=pier 
structures in resort towns, although it lacks the water 
underneath most of the time. Would man_made=bridge be appropriate for 
the surrounding area?


I think this is becomming fairly common in some flood prone areas, so 
dedicated tagging seems like a good idea, both for the usually dry 
situation, and for buildings that sit over water but don't even have 
vestigial mooring areas.


The wiki lists building=stilt_house, but this seems overly specific. 
Whether a building is tagged as being on stilts should be 
independent of building use IMO. Regardless in this case min_level=1 
seems about right to me to denote the absence of a ground floor.


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dpier 

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:building%3Dstilt_house 



-Alan

On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 at 06:34, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging 
mailto:tagging@openstreetmap.org>> wrote:


add location=overhead on buildings and other objects?
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building:min_level


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building:levels#Buildings_with_parts_that_don.27t_start_at_ground_level


(not sure can it be applied if entire building starts above ground
level)

Certainly add also description=* tag with info what is happening here,
maybe with link to this mailing list thread.


Nov 25, 2020, 01:00 by graemefi...@gmail.com
:

How do you tag an area, in this case an entire housing
estate!, that is raised up above ground level?


https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-28.065772,153.3799853,3a,15y,117.51h,89.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sN_TJvFHJyLff1E4GmiCSjQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en


(with the usual not mapping from Google ...)

Just draw the outline of the area & tag it as level=1?

The main entry is via a bridge:

https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-28.0673717,153.3800556,3a,23.4y,28.84h,87.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBF_8z5ekricuuEFZnUJioQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

,
which is ok, but should all the internal roads also be marked
as bridges?

Thanks

Graeme


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Re: [Tagging] Elevated housing estate

[Yves via Tagging]

I guess the level won't be completely sealed and may serve for something once 
the building is inhabited.
Wait and them!
Yves 

Le 25 novembre 2020 02:26:22 GMT+01:00, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
 a écrit :
>On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 at 11:20, Joseph Eisenberg 
>wrote:
>
>> Is the whole ground level a parking lot or parking structure, perhaps?
>>
>
>No.
>
>It's built right beside a Creek, on a flood-plain (yeah, thanks Council!),
>so it's done like that so that the apartments are up away from the water
>the next time the Creek floods!
>
>Thanks
>
>Graeme
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Re: [Tagging] Elevated housing estate

[Alan Mackie]

This probably isn't too far off from many of the larger man_made=pier
structures in resort towns, although it lacks the water underneath most of
the time. Would man_made=bridge be appropriate for the surrounding area?

I think this is becomming fairly common in some flood prone areas, so
dedicated tagging seems like a good idea, both for the usually dry
situation, and for buildings that sit over water but don't even have
vestigial mooring areas.

The wiki lists building=stilt_house, but this seems overly specific.
Whether a building is tagged as being on stilts should be independent of
building use IMO. Regardless in this case min_level=1 seems about right to
me to denote the absence of a ground floor.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dpier
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:building%3Dstilt_house

-Alan

On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 at 06:34, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <
tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> add location=overhead on buildings and other objects?
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building:min_level
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building:levels#Buildings_with_parts_that_don.27t_start_at_ground_level
> (not sure can it be applied if entire building starts above ground level)
>
> Certainly add also description=* tag with info what is happening here,
> maybe with link to this mailing list thread.
>
>
> Nov 25, 2020, 01:00 by graemefi...@gmail.com:
>
> How do you tag an area, in this case an entire housing estate!, that is
> raised up above ground level?
>
>
> https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-28.065772,153.3799853,3a,15y,117.51h,89.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sN_TJvFHJyLff1E4GmiCSjQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
> (with the usual not mapping from Google ...)
>
> Just draw the outline of the area & tag it as level=1?
>
> The main entry is via a bridge:
> https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-28.0673717,153.3800556,3a,23.4y,28.84h,87.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBF_8z5ekricuuEFZnUJioQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
> ,
> which is ok, but should all the internal roads also be marked as bridges?
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
>
>
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Re: [Tagging] Elevated housing estate

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 25. Nov 2020, at 02:28, Graeme Fitzpatrick  wrote:
> 
> It's built right beside a Creek, on a flood-plain (yeah, thanks Council!), so 
> it's done like that so that the apartments are up away from the water the 
> next time the Creek floods!


AFAIK we do not have a specific tag for this kind of configuration. There’s the 
generic building:min_level to map omitted levels below the building.


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Re: [Tagging] Elevated housing estate

[Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging]

add location=overhead on buildings and other objects?
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:location

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building:min_level 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building:levels#Buildings_with_parts_that_don.27t_start_at_ground_level
(not sure can it be applied if entire building starts above ground level)

Certainly add also description=* tag with info what is happening here,
maybe with link to this mailing list thread.


Nov 25, 2020, 01:00 by graemefi...@gmail.com:

> How do you tag an area, in this case an entire housing estate!, that is 
> raised up above ground level?
>
> https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-28.065772,153.3799853,3a,15y,117.51h,89.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sN_TJvFHJyLff1E4GmiCSjQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
> (with the usual not mapping from Google ...)
>
> Just draw the outline of the area & tag it as level=1?
>
> The main entry is via a bridge: > 
> https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-28.0673717,153.3800556,3a,23.4y,28.84h,87.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBF_8z5ekricuuEFZnUJioQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en>
>  ,
> which is ok, but should all the internal roads also be marked as bridges?
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
>

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Re: [Tagging] Elevated housing estate

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 at 11:20, Joseph Eisenberg 
wrote:

> Is the whole ground level a parking lot or parking structure, perhaps?
>

No.

It's built right beside a Creek, on a flood-plain (yeah, thanks Council!),
so it's done like that so that the apartments are up away from the water
the next time the Creek floods!

Thanks

Graeme
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Re: [Tagging] Elevated housing estate

[Joseph Eisenberg]

Is the whole ground level a parking lot or parking structure, perhaps?

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 4:03 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick 
wrote:

> How do you tag an area, in this case an entire housing estate!, that is
> raised up above ground level?
>
>
> https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-28.065772,153.3799853,3a,15y,117.51h,89.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sN_TJvFHJyLff1E4GmiCSjQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
> (with the usual not mapping from Google ...)
>
> Just draw the outline of the area & tag it as level=1?
>
> The main entry is via a bridge:
> https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-28.0673717,153.3800556,3a,23.4y,28.84h,87.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBF_8z5ekricuuEFZnUJioQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
> ,
> which is ok, but should all the internal roads also be marked as bridges?
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
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[Tagging] Elevated housing estate

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

How do you tag an area, in this case an entire housing estate!, that is
raised up above ground level?

https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-28.065772,153.3799853,3a,15y,117.51h,89.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sN_TJvFHJyLff1E4GmiCSjQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
(with the usual not mapping from Google ...)

Just draw the outline of the area & tag it as level=1?

The main entry is via a bridge:
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-28.0673717,153.3800556,3a,23.4y,28.84h,87.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBF_8z5ekricuuEFZnUJioQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
,
which is ok, but should all the internal roads also be marked as bridges?

Thanks

Graeme
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