Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Free drinking water by private entities

2018-10-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 7. Oct 2018, at 21:48, bkil wrote: > > I have a habit of extending and improving the wiki whenever I can. > However, I only do this when I am absolutely sure that I am not doing > any damage, for example by altering meaning. > > Retroactively clarifying an ambiguous,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Free drinking water by private entities

2018-10-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 7. Oct 2018, at 13:43, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > Note that "customers can" does not mean "customers must". It may mean that > one may buy > > food and immediately leave or stay and eat at such place. > I’d say for takeaway=only you cannot stay and eat there, for

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Free drinking water by private entities

2018-10-07 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Re: never heard of a restaurant before that does not allow > taking away your food In the USA, most fancy, sit-down restaurants will not allow customers to order food “to-go” (American for takeaway). You have to sit down and eat the meal on the premises. But if you don’t eat it all, they will

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Free drinking water by private entities

2018-10-07 Thread bkil
>> Indeed the wiki page describes places that should be tagged with >> takeaway=only: > I disagree with that. > > Note that "customers can" does not mean "customers must". It may mean that > one may buy > food and immediately leave or stay and eat at such place. > I understand this part of the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Free drinking water by private entities

2018-10-07 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
6. Oct 2018 22:04 by bkil.hu...@gmail.com : > Also, it is strange that takeaway is not mentioned on the wiki page of > drive_through. > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:drive_through > >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Free drinking water by private entities

2018-10-06 Thread bkil
Well, drive_through=yes should implicate takeaway=yes and drive_through=only should implicate takeaway=only in real life, so takeaway=* is redundant in such a case. Also, it is strange that takeaway is not mentioned on the wiki page of drive_through.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Free drinking water by private entities

2018-10-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 5. Oct 2018, at 21:12, bkil wrote: > > I have yet to see a restaurant that > declines to pack my meal for takeaway=* if I can't consume it on > premise I believe initially the idea of this tag was takeaway=only then came the preset webforms. a common combination for

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Free drinking water by private entities

2018-10-05 Thread bkil
> I am not sure adding drinking_water on bars or pubs would do us a favor. For > one it might be up > to the discretion of the current staff how they respond to your request (and > could depend whether > you have already consumed something there, know the barkeeper, are > accompagnied by

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Free drinking water by private entities

2018-10-05 Thread bkil
Thanks for the link. The situation was the same in Hungary between 1998-2009. As of 2018, it is not a legal obligation, thus it is up to the owner to decide whether they offer tap water for free. The reasoning is probably that overheads, dish washing and service is not at all free, though most

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Free drinking water by private entities

2018-10-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 1. Okt. 2018 um 14:54 Uhr schrieb Philip Barnes < p...@trigpoint.me.uk>: > In GB licensed premises have to provide free drinking water. > > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39881236 > this is definitely not the default situation worldwide, but would it prevent you from adding some of the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Free drinking water by private entities

2018-10-01 Thread Philip Barnes
In GB licensed premises have to provide free drinking water. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39881236 Phil (trigpoint) On 1 October 2018 10:11:08 BST, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >Am Sa., 29. Sep. 2018 um 17:33 Uhr schrieb bkil : > >> >> >> The best visibility for both venues and people should

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Free drinking water by private entities

2018-10-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Sa., 29. Sep. 2018 um 17:33 Uhr schrieb bkil : > > > The best visibility for both venues and people should be via OSM > itself. However, if we do not highlight these via specific tags, this > visibility may be impaired. Renderers could be enhanced to highlight > various tag combinations, like

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Free drinking water by private entities

2018-09-29 Thread bkil
I've separated the proposal for non-inclusive drink refilling from the drinking water cases. Anticipating a discussion, I'm replying to part of Tom's most recent insights in the new RFC here (unfortunately, I've copied some extra parts there too that is relevant here instead):

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Free drinking water by private entities

2018-09-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 20. Sep 2018, at 03:30, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > I see that the suggestions about "free refills" are included here because > there was some confusion about the use of "free_refill=yes" in central > Europe. The English word "refill" implies that it is the second

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Free drinking water by private entities

2018-09-20 Thread Tom Pfeifer
On 20.09.2018 16:29, José G Moya Y. wrote: Hi! If we start mapping refill=soft_drinks;coffee... and so on, how would you map sites where some soft drinks are refillable and some are not? I am strongly against tagging the business practice how often a _paid_ glass of beverage is being

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Free drinking water by private entities

2018-09-20 Thread bkil
Yes, something like that would do, although we still need to decide the top level key to use, let me refer to it as "drink_refill" for now. For example: drink_refill=coffee;pear_drink;blueberry_drink;tea_unsugared_drink;ikea_cola Although, it depends on how common these irregular places are. In

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Free drinking water by private entities

2018-09-20 Thread José G Moya Y .
Hi! If we start mapping refill=soft_drinks;coffee... and so on, how would you map sites where some soft drinks are refillable and some are not? As an example, in Ikea the bottled unsugared top-brand cola drink (I don't remember whether it is coke zero or pepsi max) can not be refilled, where the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Free drinking water by private entities

2018-09-20 Thread bkil
Thanks for your local insights. I believe that the UK program called "Refill" used the word in a different meaning as well, hence the key `free_refill=*` could lead to confusion in the future. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refill_(scheme) Listing the semicolon-separated list of refillable

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Free drinking water by private entities

2018-09-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I see that the suggestions about "free refills" are included here because there was some confusion about the use of "free_refill=yes" in central Europe. The English word "refill" implies that it is the second time something has been filled. Thus a customer may request that their glass be filled

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Free drinking water by private entities

2018-09-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I’d suggest keeping it simple by using existing tags when possible. If a cafe or shop gives out free water for customers, tag the shop or cafe with “drinking_water=customers”. If it’s for anyone, “drinking_water=yes” is currently used. I don’t see a need for a new tag “drinking_water=ask” If

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Free drinking water by private entities

2018-09-19 Thread bkil
I'd like to discuss three related proposals and two separate ones that can be confused with the others. In all the below cases, the availability is tied to the opening_hours of the containing POI. Five separate proposals could have been created, but I feel that the concepts and words describe