Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

2014-02-26 Thread Philip Barnes
Surely you then need to define when curfew is, does it require a tag law=marshal? :) A more real world example, where hours vary, would be open sunrise to sunset, which is often used for rural car parks. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 26/02/2014 7:45 Georg Feddern wrote: Am

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

2014-02-26 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 26.02.2014 09:19, schrieb Philip Barnes: Surely you then need to define when curfew is, does it require a tag law=marshal? :) I don't think so - that's an info you should know or get as soon as you need it - wherever you are. Like the maximum speed without explicit signage - wherever

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

2014-02-26 Thread Philip Barnes
Maybe, but speed limits/duty free allowances are things I would expect to need to know, and am probably unlikely to independently travel to a country that has a curfew. This is going off the tagging issue, but it is a bit scarry that you are casually talking about curfews, where outside places

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

2014-02-26 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 26.02.2014 10:21, schrieb Philip Barnes: This is going off the tagging issue, but it is a bit scarry that you are casually talking about curfews, where outside places like North Korea do they exist? A curfew to me, as a brit equals being arrested/shot for being on the street after a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

2014-02-26 Thread Philip Barnes
The time pubs close is called closing time in the UK. There used to be a fixed 23:00 closing time, I can remember a time where I lived where the city pubs closed at 22:30 and county pubs 23:00. These days England and Wales have 24 hour licensing, meaning pubs can apply for a license for up to

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

2014-02-25 Thread Peter Wendorff
Hi, even if there are examples for such a thing - is it useful? For the breakfast example: It's useful to know that breakfast is served up to 11 if I'm there at 10 to 11 and have to decide to take a breakfast buffet or not; but beforehand I would have to know when it starts serving. For a bar

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

2014-02-25 Thread SomeoneElse
Robin `ypid` Schneider wrote: So I created a short proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/opening_hours_open_until In a related point, we need to be careful that when trying to translate all of the data in opening_hours into something that a computer can understand

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

2014-02-25 Thread Robin `ypid` Schneider
On 25.02.2014 10:21, SomeoneElse wrote: Robin `ypid` Schneider wrote: So I created a short proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/opening_hours_open_until In a related point, we need to be careful that when trying to translate all of the data in opening_hours into

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

2014-02-25 Thread Robin `ypid` Schneider
I guess we can collect some examples on the proposal page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/opening_hours_open_until#Real_world_examples On 24.02.2014 23:37, John F. Eldredge wrote: One example would be a restaurant near my house, which has a sign painted on the building,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

2014-02-25 Thread Robin `ypid` Schneider
On 25.02.2014 09:44, Peter Wendorff wrote: Hi, even if there are examples for such a thing - is it useful? For the breakfast example: It's useful to know that breakfast is served up to 11 if I'm there at 10 to 11 and have to decide to take a breakfast buffet or not; but beforehand I would

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

2014-02-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-02-25 10:21 GMT+01:00 SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk: We certainly shouldn't be mechanically changing opening_hours tags that don't quite correspond to those rules when we don't quite understand the cultural context of the original tags. +1 cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

2014-02-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-02-25 14:32 GMT+01:00 Robin `ypid` Schneider ypi...@aol.de: The problem with 12:00-late is that it is not valid syntax and thous can not evaluated by software. The 12:00+ is evaluated by opening_hours.js as 12:00-24:00 which is probably not long enough in this case. But it does come

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

2014-02-25 Thread Robin `ypid` Schneider
On 25.02.2014 16:00, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2014-02-25 14:32 GMT+01:00 Robin `ypid` Schneider ypi...@aol.de: The problem with 12:00-late is that it is not valid syntax and thous can not evaluated by software. The 12:00+ is evaluated by opening_hours.js as 12:00-24:00 which is probably

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

2014-02-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-02-25 16:14 GMT+01:00 Robin `ypid` Schneider ypi...@aol.de: Correct. The nice thing is that we can get both things and I thought I would get to there with my change. I still think that the change was not so bad but I was not aware of the special meaning. What is the reason why open end

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

2014-02-25 Thread Robin `ypid` Schneider
On 25.02.2014 16:27, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2014-02-25 16:14 GMT+01:00 Robin `ypid` Schneider ypi...@aol.de: Correct. The nice thing is that we can get both things and I thought I would get to there with my change. I still think that the change was not so bad but I was not aware of the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

2014-02-25 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 25.02.2014 16:35, schrieb Robin `ypid` Schneider: On 25.02.2014 16:27, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I don't know in this specific (british) context, but my guess is that 12:00+ indicates (typically) until curfew, while late maybe has the meaning beyond curfew. All right. Interesting. If that

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

2014-02-24 Thread Robin `ypid` Schneider
Good evening I would like to discuss one little detail in the opening_hours syntax. It is about facilities which do not have a open time specified (only a closing time). So I created a short proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/opening_hours_open_until Feel free to add

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

2014-02-24 Thread Serge Wroclawski
I've never seen a business have a closing time specified without an opening time. Can you provide some examples? - Serge On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Robin `ypid` Schneider ypi...@aol.dewrote: Good evening I would like to discuss one little detail in the opening_hours syntax. It is

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

2014-02-24 Thread Robin `ypid` Schneider
On 24.02.2014 22:13, Serge Wroclawski wrote: I've never seen a business have a closing time specified without an opening time. Can you provide some examples? I can remember one facility (I think it was an restaurant) which used such opening hours on there homepage. Examples will follow. On

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

2014-02-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-02-24 22:13 GMT+01:00 Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com: I've never seen a business have a closing time specified without an opening time. Can you provide some examples? I agree the opposite seems much more frequent (opening time specified, open end until there are no guests any more)

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

2014-02-24 Thread John F. Eldredge
One example would be a restaurant near my house, which has a sign painted on the building, advertising breakfast hours as - 11:00 AM. There is a blank space on the sign where you would expect a starting time. I suspect that this means that the opening time varies, but breakfast always stops