Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - power_supply=intermittent
The proposal http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/power_supply%3Dintermittenthas been updated to reflect the outcome of the discussion. Met vriendelijke groet/with kind regards, *Jan van Bekkum* www.DeEinderVoorbij.nl On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 17.02.2015 um 17:54 schrieb John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: If the power supply is given to frequent, unscheduled breakdowns, this is useful to know, but can't be covered by a schedule tag. this can occur on various levels (eg regional or just on one facility) and depends on various factors (individual installation, consumption and counter measures, but also regarding a local or regional subset of the power grid) cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - power_supply=intermittent
Hi, I've put some feedbacks on the Talk page of this proposal. It would be good to discuss those points before the vote start. Cheers. *François Lacombe* fl dot infosreseaux At gmail dot com www.infos-reseaux.com @InfosReseaux http://www.twitter.com/InfosReseaux 2015-02-18 9:22 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Am 17.02.2015 um 17:54 schrieb John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: If the power supply is given to frequent, unscheduled breakdowns, this is useful to know, but can't be covered by a schedule tag. this can occur on various levels (eg regional or just on one facility) and depends on various factors (individual installation, consumption and counter measures, but also regarding a local or regional subset of the power grid) cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - power_supply=intermittent
Sure, see my feedback there. On Fri Feb 20 2015 at 9:35:43 AM François Lacombe fl.infosrese...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I've put some feedbacks on the Talk page of this proposal. It would be good to discuss those points before the vote start. Cheers. *François Lacombe* fl dot infosreseaux At gmail dot com www.infos-reseaux.com @InfosReseaux http://www.twitter.com/InfosReseaux 2015-02-18 9:22 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Am 17.02.2015 um 17:54 schrieb John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: If the power supply is given to frequent, unscheduled breakdowns, this is useful to know, but can't be covered by a schedule tag. this can occur on various levels (eg regional or just on one facility) and depends on various factors (individual installation, consumption and counter measures, but also regarding a local or regional subset of the power grid) cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - power_supply=intermittent
Am 17.02.2015 um 17:54 schrieb John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: If the power supply is given to frequent, unscheduled breakdowns, this is useful to know, but can't be covered by a schedule tag. this can occur on various levels (eg regional or just on one facility) and depends on various factors (individual installation, consumption and counter measures, but also regarding a local or regional subset of the power grid) cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - power_supply=intermittent
On February 17, 2015 4:56:26 AM CST, David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net wrote: On Tue, 2015-02-17 at 06:09 +, Jan van Bekkum wrote: ... Trying to invent as few new tags as possible the updated proposal would become: * power_supply=nema_5_15 * power_supply:schedule= [...] - has syntax as defined for opening_hours Or * power_supply=nema_5_15 * power_supply:schedule= intermittent Or do you feel that power_supply:intermittent=yes is better than power_supply:schedule= intermittent? I prefer power_supply:schedule= approach, then a range of possible values including intermittent. David ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging If the power supply is given to frequent, unscheduled breakdowns, this is useful to know, but can't be covered by a schedule tag. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that. -- Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - power_supply=intermittent
On Tue, 2015-02-17 at 06:09 +, Jan van Bekkum wrote: ... Trying to invent as few new tags as possible the updated proposal would become: * power_supply=nema_5_15 * power_supply:schedule= [...] - has syntax as defined for opening_hours Or * power_supply=nema_5_15 * power_supply:schedule= intermittent Or do you feel that power_supply:intermittent=yes is better than power_supply:schedule= intermittent? I prefer power_supply:schedule= approach, then a range of possible values including intermittent. David ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - power_supply=intermittent
Intermittent is an attribute, not a top level value. For example, it should be possible to tag a NEMA 5-15 as intermittent. 2015-02-16 11:47 GMT-08:00 Jan van Bekkum jan.vanbek...@gmail.com: Please comment the proposal http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/power_supply%3Dintermittentto add the value *intermittent *to the key* power_supply.* Met vriendelijke groet/with kind regards, *Jan van Bekkum* www.DeEinderVoorbij.nl ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - power_supply=intermittent
Please comment the proposal http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/power_supply%3Dintermittentto add the value *intermittent *to the key* power_supply.* Met vriendelijke groet/with kind regards, *Jan van Bekkum* www.DeEinderVoorbij.nl ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - power_supply=intermittent
- The community supply is not reliable and fails at random moments *during the day...* On Tue Feb 17 2015 at 7:09:33 AM Jan van Bekkum jan.vanbek...@gmail.com wrote: The proposal comes from experience while traveling through Africa. Electricity failing three times per year probably isn't very valuable information to campers. We ran into three situations I would like to cover: - The community supply is not reliable and fails at random moments - The camping operates a generator that runs between 19:00 and 23:00 - The camping operates a system with solar cells and batteries. They allow you to use electricity (at least for larger devices like fridges) from an hour after sunrise to sunset. I think it is not that important to know that electricity comes from solar power, but it is important its availability limits as set by the camping operator, although it may mean that supply is worse in the rainy season I agree that a structure that maintains power_supply=nema_5_15 is preferable. Trying to invent as few new tags as possible the updated proposal would become: - power_supply=nema_5_15 - power_supply:schedule= [...] - has syntax as defined for opening_hours Or - power_supply=nema_5_15 - power_supply:schedule= intermittent Or do you feel that power_supply:intermittent=yes is better than power_supply:schedule= intermittent? Regards, Jan van Bekkum On Tue Feb 17 2015 at 4:32:54 AM David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net wrote: On Mon, 2015-02-16 at 20:47 +0100, Jan van Bekkum wrote: Please comment the proposal to add the value intermittent to the key power_supply. Jan, good move, just wondering what you mean by 'intermittent' ? Two cases may need to be enlarged on - 1. Where I live, power goes off, typically due to weather, three or four times a year. Thats occasional failure rather than intermittent ? 2. At a place I like to camp at in Central Australia, power is provided during particular times of the day, from memory, 7:00am-9:00pm and 5:30pm-8:30pm. That also is probably not intermittent ? David ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - power_supply=intermittent
On 17/02/2015 6:47 AM, Jan van Bekkum wrote: Please comment the proposal http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/power_supply%3Dintermittentto add the value /intermittent /to the key/power_supply./ Met vriendelijke groet/with kind regards, /Jan van Bekkum/ www.DeEinderVoorbij.nl http://www.DeEinderVoorbij.nl humm power_supply=intermittent For solar only supply (no battery back up for night time).. add \ power_supply:intermittent=solar ? - If the power supply has scheduled hours of operation then perhaps this should be another key. For example power_supply=scheduled power_supply:scheduled=9.00-20:00 For a scheduled supply from 9 am to 8 pm. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - power_supply=intermittent
On 17/02/2015 6:50 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: Intermittent is an attribute, not a top level value. For example, it should be possible to tag a NEMA 5-15 as intermittent. so a tag sequence of power_supply=nema_5_15 power_supply:intermittent=yes ? And then for my previous comments become; power_supply=nema_5_15 power_supply:solar=yes power_supply=nema_5_15 power_supply:schedule=9:00-20:00 Much better .. and constant with the present use of the tag power_supply= key describing the connector used. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - power_supply=intermittent
On Mon, 2015-02-16 at 20:47 +0100, Jan van Bekkum wrote: Please comment the proposal to add the value intermittent to the key power_supply. Jan, good move, just wondering what you mean by 'intermittent' ? Two cases may need to be enlarged on - 1. Where I live, power goes off, typically due to weather, three or four times a year. Thats occasional failure rather than intermittent ? 2. At a place I like to camp at in Central Australia, power is provided during particular times of the day, from memory, 7:00am-9:00pm and 5:30pm-8:30pm. That also is probably not intermittent ? David ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - power_supply=intermittent
The proposal comes from experience while traveling through Africa. Electricity failing three times per year probably isn't very valuable information to campers. We ran into three situations I would like to cover: - The community supply is not reliable and fails at random moments - The camping operates a generator that runs between 19:00 and 23:00 - The camping operates a system with solar cells and batteries. They allow you to use electricity (at least for larger devices like fridges) from an hour after sunrise to sunset. I think it is not that important to know that electricity comes from solar power, but it is important its availability limits as set by the camping operator, although it may mean that supply is worse in the rainy season I agree that a structure that maintains power_supply=nema_5_15 is preferable. Trying to invent as few new tags as possible the updated proposal would become: - power_supply=nema_5_15 - power_supply:schedule= [...] - has syntax as defined for opening_hours Or - power_supply=nema_5_15 - power_supply:schedule= intermittent Or do you feel that power_supply:intermittent=yes is better than power_supply:schedule= intermittent? Regards, Jan van Bekkum On Tue Feb 17 2015 at 4:32:54 AM David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net wrote: On Mon, 2015-02-16 at 20:47 +0100, Jan van Bekkum wrote: Please comment the proposal to add the value intermittent to the key power_supply. Jan, good move, just wondering what you mean by 'intermittent' ? Two cases may need to be enlarged on - 1. Where I live, power goes off, typically due to weather, three or four times a year. Thats occasional failure rather than intermittent ? 2. At a place I like to camp at in Central Australia, power is provided during particular times of the day, from memory, 7:00am-9:00pm and 5:30pm-8:30pm. That also is probably not intermittent ? David ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
