Date: Sat, 25 May 2019 01:11:08 +0200
From: Frederik Ramm
To: tagging@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Tagging] Filter bubbles in OSM
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People have a right to be treated with respect, but that does not mean
that we need to extend US American style courtesy to everyone because US
On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 12:39 AM Frederik Ramm
wrote:
> There are many reasons why someone could be disappointed by this mailing
> list, or by tagging discussions in general, and decide to stop
> participating.
>
The way you write it above, however, sounds like you're assigning blame,
> in prec
On 24/05/2019 23:47, Nick Bolten wrote:
Of course, but this won't help new users asking questions. They will
still have a negative experience.
New users asking questions probably fall more within the remit of the
help site ("how do I do X") rather than this list ("how should we change
OSM's t
Hi,
On 25.05.19 01:12, Silent Spike wrote:
> In support of Nick's points above, reading many of the discussions on
> this mailing list today has me just about ready to unsubscribe.
There are many reasons why someone could be disappointed by this mailing
list, or by tagging discussions in general,
In support of Nick's points above, reading many of the discussions on this
mailing list today has me just about ready to unsubscribe.
On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 11:49 PM Nick Bolten wrote:
> > What I'd suggest is that (much as I suggested before) everyone tries
> to understand how points of view ca
Hi,
On 25.05.19 00:11, Florian Lohoff wrote:
> Its just a matter of
> defining whom to exclude not if.
True.
My son attends a school that favours being inclusive, and this means
that there's one student in the class who has a form of autism that lets
him often loudly protest against assignments,
> What I'd suggest is that (much as I suggested before) everyone tries
to understand how points of view can be misunderstood and how conversations
can go downhill, when each side believes that there is malice on
the other. This thread is actually a pretty good example of it ...
Yes, of course. It
On 24/05/2019 19:42, Nick Bolten wrote:
I'd like that to be the case. What is the plan for making this an
inclusive community that doesn't devolve into negative, personal
accusations so easily? It hasn't happened on its own.
What I'd suggest is that (much as I suggested before) everyone trie
On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 11:42:18AM -0700, Nick Bolten wrote:
> I'd like that to be the case. What is the plan for making this an inclusive
> community that doesn't devolve into negative, personal accusations so
> easily? It hasn't happened on its own.
I havent seen personal harassment so far and o
On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 1:01 PM Paul Allen wrote:
>
> Have you tried running to the teacher? That's a third option you could
> try. Tell the teacher that
> poopy-head Paul called you a poopy-head and calling people a poopy-head is
> bad and that's
> why Paul is a poopy-head.
>
> Now you can cal
On Fri, 24 May 2019 at 20:01, Nick Bolten wrote:
> How do you propose visitors of the mailing list address responses like
> this, Andy? I'm not being sassy: I honestly want to know.
>
> Should it be ignored, becoming implicitly acceptable to the community?
>
> Should it be called out, creating a
How do you propose visitors of the mailing list address responses like
this, Andy? I'm not being sassy: I honestly want to know.
Should it be ignored, becoming implicitly acceptable to the community?
Should it be called out, creating a long-running petty thread?
I've tried both. Maybe there's a
On Fri, 24 May 2019 at 19:43, Nick Bolten wrote:
> It's a two-pronged recipe for disaster: make it very difficult to
> independently know what to do, then have an often toxic environment for
> those who suss out the semi-official, non-obvious place to ask questions.
>
A toxic environment, eh? D
> I don't doubt your last sentence at all - but these people are all
(in some sense) people like you. They're people that you know
personally well enough to meet personally or exchange emails with, or from
a geographically-centred community (Slack) that you have both joined.
Of course. Though the
Not sure about the context of this message but Andy's reasoning seems sound.
On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 2:26 PM Andy Townsend wrote:
> On 23/05/2019 20:58, Nick Bolten wrote (in the "solving iD conflict"
> thread:
> > OSM needs an alternative for community tagging discussions outside of
> > these m
On 23/05/2019 20:58, Nick Bolten wrote (in the "solving iD conflict" thread:
OSM needs an alternative for community tagging discussions outside of
these mailing lists. Ones that people will actually use and that have
a reasonable, community-oriented code of conduct. I have talked to 10X
more pe
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