Re: [Tagging] How are protected_area (and national_park) boundaries determined?

2020-06-24 Thread Michael Reichert
Hi, Am 24.06.20 um 00:31 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > in Italy or Germany, the boundaries of protected areas typically either > exclude builtup areas or if they are included, there are typically explicit > special explanations/provisions for these areas. (there might be exceptions > to this,

Re: [Tagging] How are protected_area (and national_park) boundaries determined?

2020-06-23 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Jun 24, 2020, 00:31 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > > sent from a phone > >> On 23. Jun 2020, at 17:20, Joseph Eisenberg >> wrote: >> >> In other countries, how are National Park and other protected_area >> boundaries determined? If there are villages or towns within the boundary, >> are

Re: [Tagging] How are protected_area (and national_park) boundaries determined?

2020-06-23 Thread Andrew Harvey
Here in Australia they started off as rough areas based on local knowledge and signage on the ground but now have mostly been replaced with imported open data from the government.These legally declared boundaries are usually declared based on parcels from the cadastre and so the open data usually

Re: [Tagging] How are protected_area (and national_park) boundaries determined?

2020-06-23 Thread Mike Thompson
On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 4:48 PM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > when I write „protected area“, this often will have implications like you may not construct buildings, you may not walk off roads and paths, you may not pick plants (e.g. flowers) and mushrooms, log trees, hunt, light a fire, etc.,

Re: [Tagging] How are protected_area (and national_park) boundaries determined?

2020-06-23 Thread Rob Savoye
On 6/23/20 4:45 PM, Mike Thompson wrote: > Interesting.  I had always assumed that the land that a mining claim > covered continued to be owned by the Federal Government, but that the > claim holder had the right to extract minerals and hopefully an > obligation to pay the Federal Government some

Re: [Tagging] How are protected_area (and national_park) boundaries determined?

2020-06-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
when I write „protected area“, this often will have implications like you may not construct buildings, you may not walk off roads and paths, you may not pick plants (e.g. flowers) and mushrooms, log trees, hunt, light a fire, etc., while otherwise in Germany you have generally the right to walk

Re: [Tagging] How are protected_area (and national_park) boundaries determined?

2020-06-23 Thread Mike Thompson
On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 9:40 AM Rob Savoye wrote: > > > The rural area I live in is full of old mining claims, which are > private property surrounded by public land. Interesting. I had always assumed that the land that a mining claim covered continued to be owned by the Federal Government,

Re: [Tagging] How are protected_area (and national_park) boundaries determined?

2020-06-23 Thread Mike Thompson
On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 11:21 AM Adam Franco wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 11:40 AM Rob Savoye wrote: >> >> [...] While I do use parcel maps on fire calls, adding all these boundaries to OSM would be silly. I agree that mapping the outer boundary is all that's needed. > > > My main use of

Re: [Tagging] How are protected_area (and national_park) boundaries determined?

2020-06-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 23. Jun 2020, at 17:20, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > In other countries, how are National Park and other protected_area boundaries > determined? If there are villages or towns within the boundary, are they > actually protected? Are they excluded from the area? in

Re: [Tagging] How are protected_area (and national_park) boundaries determined?

2020-06-23 Thread Adam Franco
> > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 11:40 AM Rob Savoye wrote: > [...] While I do use parcel maps on fire calls, adding all these boundaries > to OSM would be silly. I agree that mapping the outer boundary is all > that's needed. > My main use of maps of National Forests is planning backcountry trips

Re: [Tagging] How are protected_area (and national_park) boundaries determined?

2020-06-23 Thread Rob Savoye
On 6/23/20 9:18 AM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > The argument in favor of the second is that the privately-owned land > within the boundary has no actual protection against development. For > example, I lived in a village which was within the declared boundaries > of the Klamath National Forest, but

Re: [Tagging] How are protected_area (and national_park) boundaries determined?

2020-06-23 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Here's the official USFS map online: the dark green line is the declared outer boundary of the National Forest. When you zoom in, 2 different colors are shown: the slightly darker green areas are the land owned by the Federal Government, while lighter areas are privately owned. This is easier to

[Tagging] How are protected_area (and national_park) boundaries determined?

2020-06-23 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
On the Talk-US mailing list, other mappers from the USA have been discussing how National Forest boundaries should be mapped. There is now generally consensus that these should be tagged boundary=protected_area + protect_class=6 but there are 2 possible lines to follow: 1) The boundary declared