Re: [Tagging] How to tag a public works facility ?

2014-02-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-02-22 13:49 GMT+01:00 Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com:

 So I guess the final say is how this is handled by the tools that use
 the . If they can handle stuff like this with ease, then I see no
 reason to  duplicate a way just to add a fence, or making it over
 complicated by letting two ways share nodes or a multipolygon from
 multipleways..



I see this not as a case for tools to handle something, but as a question
how to model in a clear way. If you now add height=2m to this object, you
might still be able to say, this is for the fence by interpreting it, but
adding other tags like wikipedia or name it will become often unclear to
which object the attributes / tags belong, if several different objects are
represented in the same osm object. If we had a distinct area datatype this
would be more obvious (and less a problem therefore, because people would
be forced to separate objects).
E.g. if your fence were a wall, it would be impossible to tell whether this
was a thick wall (mapped as an area) or if the wall was intended as a
linear feature.

cheers,
Martin
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Re: [Tagging] How to tag a public works facility ?

2014-02-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-02-19 22:18 GMT+01:00 sabas88 saba...@gmail.com:

 Why use landuse=industrial? Because it's rendered?




I don't advocate it to be used exclusively, but it fits the current
definition (production and/or storage).

cheers,
Martin
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Re: [Tagging] How to tag a public works facility ?

2014-02-19 Thread Dan S
Hi -

In the past I've seen people use landuse=depot
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Ddepot

Dan


2014-02-19 9:06 GMT+00:00 Pieren pier...@gmail.com:
 It's a small area with several buildings where the municipality is
 storing vehicles and the maintenance and repair services. Someone
 suggests to use amenity=public_building but it's deprecated now in
 the wiki... building=public doesn't fit well here because it's an
 area and is not open to the public.
 Something new like amenity=public_works ? (0 in taginfo)

 Pieren

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Re: [Tagging] How to tag a public works facility ?

2014-02-19 Thread Tod Fitch
For what it is worth, in the area I live in such facilities seem to be called 
corporate yards.

Since industrial=depot seems to have only one use at present and does not fit 
exactly. At least it does not fit in my mind. Perhaps it could be tagged as 
landuse=industrial, industrial=corporate_yard with operator=City of  
and maybe name=XXX Corporate Yard

-Tod



On Feb 19, 2014, at 3:37 AM, SomeoneElse wrote:

 Pieren wrote:
 It's a small area with several buildings where the municipality is
 storing vehicles and the maintenance and repair services.
 
 I've gone with landuse=industrial, industrial=depot for these in the past:
 
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/254083705
 
 (although arguably the name on that should actually be operator)
 
 Someone
 suggests to use amenity=public_building but it's deprecated now in
 the wiki...
 
 Whoever edited the wiki clearly failed to communicate with all the editor 
 authors since amenity=public_building is a default in P2 (not that it's 
 relevant in this case, since what you're describing isn't just a building.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Andy
 
 
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Re: [Tagging] How to tag a public works facility ?

2014-02-19 Thread sabas88
2014-02-19 17:32 GMT+01:00 Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com:

 Any reasons not to use landuse=depot? Besides the sparsity of its wiki
 page...
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Ddepot
 428 instances in taginfo

 +1
But using depot:type=* instead of type=* (as I suggested in
http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/RFC-Classification-for-ports-and-inland-terminals-td5792661.html)




 2014-02-19 16:27 GMT+00:00 Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com:
  For what it is worth, in the area I live in such facilities seem to be
 called corporate yards.
 
  Since industrial=depot seems to have only one use at present and does
 not fit exactly. At least it does not fit in my mind. Perhaps it could be
 tagged as landuse=industrial, industrial=corporate_yard with
 operator=City of  and maybe name=XXX Corporate Yard
 
  -Tod
 
 
 
  On Feb 19, 2014, at 3:37 AM, SomeoneElse wrote:
 
  Pieren wrote:
  It's a small area with several buildings where the municipality is
  storing vehicles and the maintenance and repair services.
 
  I've gone with landuse=industrial, industrial=depot for these in the
 past:
 
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/254083705
 
  (although arguably the name on that should actually be operator)
 
  Someone
  suggests to use amenity=public_building but it's deprecated now in
  the wiki...
 
  Whoever edited the wiki clearly failed to communicate with all the
 editor authors since amenity=public_building is a default in P2 (not that
 it's relevant in this case, since what you're describing isn't just a
 building.
 
  Cheers,
 
  Andy
 
 
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Re: [Tagging] How to tag a public works facility ?

2014-02-19 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 5:40 PM, sabas88 saba...@gmail.com wrote:

 Any reasons not to use landuse=depot? Besides the sparsity of its wiki
 page...
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Ddepot
 428 instances in taginfo
 +1
 But using depot:type=* instead of type=* (as I suggested in
 http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/RFC-Classification-for-ports-and-inland-terminals-td5792661.html

Thanks all for you suggestions. depot is the closest for what we
need although it's not only a depot for vehicles. It's also keeping
various equipments required by municipalities (could be street
furnitures, salting of roads, plants (winter), compost, etc).

Btw, use simply depot=* instead of depot:type=*. I don't
understand this recent trend to add a :type suffix in subtags. It
was not the case in the past (e.g. building=*, wood=*,
traffic_signals=*, etc, etc, etc)

Pieren

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Re: [Tagging] How to tag a public works facility ?

2014-02-19 Thread sabas88
2014-02-19 18:20 GMT+01:00 Pieren pier...@gmail.com:



 Btw, use simply depot=* instead of depot:type=*. I don't
 understand this recent trend to add a :type suffix in subtags. It
 was not the case in the past (e.g. building=*, wood=*,
 traffic_signals=*, etc, etc, etc)


Simply because there's an overlap between the common use of type=container
(as in waste container) and the type=container of the depot proposal (as in
shipping container). IMO I had to clarify the tag...


 Pieren

 Regards,
Stefano


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