Re: [Tagging] Intermittent highways?
I believe there was a recent discussion on showgrounds and temporal events. "temporal" as opposed to "temporary" as in "happens regularly every week/month/year for a set period of time at the same location". Up until recently, OSM has been strongly against temporal objects, but German Christmas markets have slipped through and the world has not ended. Personally, I would be interested in having temporal features such as Glastonbury Festival as it would make the map more usable for the general public and be a differentiator against other maps. However, I hope that people are careful because this opens the floodgates for weekly food markets, pop-up food vans, etc. On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 1:59 AM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 15/7/20 5:07 pm, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > sent from a phone > > On 15. Jul 2020, at 00:49, Justin Tracey > wrote: > > If the festival is held at some date expressible using the opening hours > syntax, you could use the "open hours" tag[0] or add conditions to the > "access" tags > > > > I would not use opening_hours tag to represent the temporary existence of > ways if this should mean that the ways are only there some weeks of the > year. > > If the thing is permanently scheduled event then it is not a temporary > event. > > Temporary: Lasting for only a limited period of time; not permanent. > Source - Oxford Dictionary. > > Opening hours have no restriction to being more or less than some > proportion of a year. > > > Similarly, access is about legal access and not physical existence. With > the established schemes, you could use conditional on the highway, like > highway:conditional=footway/service/path @ Time > it is not common, but someone else already had this idea as well: > https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/highway%3Aconditional > > > As you say - not common and probably not rendered/used by any application. > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Intermittent highways?
On 15/7/20 5:07 pm, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 15. Jul 2020, at 00:49, Justin Tracey wrote: If the festival is held at some date expressible using the opening hours syntax, you could use the "open hours" tag[0] or add conditions to the "access" tags I would not use opening_hours tag to represent the temporary existence of ways if this should mean that the ways are only there some weeks of the year. If the thing is permanently scheduled event then it is not a temporary event. Temporary: Lasting for only a limited period of time; not permanent. Source - Oxford Dictionary. Opening hours have no restriction to being more or less than some proportion of a year. Similarly, access is about legal access and not physical existence. With the established schemes, you could use conditional on the highway, like highway:conditional=footway/service/path @ Time it is not common, but someone else already had this idea as well: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/highway%3Aconditional As you say - not common and probably not rendered/used by any application. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Intermittent highways?
sent from a phone > On 15. Jul 2020, at 00:49, Justin Tracey wrote: > > If the festival is held at some date expressible using the opening hours > syntax, you could use the "open hours" tag[0] or add conditions to the > "access" tags I would not use opening_hours tag to represent the temporary existence of ways if this should mean that the ways are only there some weeks of the year. Similarly, access is about legal access and not physical existence. With the established schemes, you could use conditional on the highway, like highway:conditional=footway/service/path @ Time it is not common, but someone else already had this idea as well: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/highway%3Aconditional Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Intermittent highways?
On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 11:23 AM John Sturdy wrote: > I've been adding some detail to a site that is used annually for a > festival (not happening this year because of Covid-19), where there are > paths in the same place year after year, but the paths are not there when > the festival is not happening, although increased wear on the ground around > them is probably visible much of the time. > I think you're looking for conditional access. For example, every year in the fall, 3rd Street next to the BOK Center is regularly closed to motor vehicles and converted to a festival space complete with ice skating rink. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/355519818 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Intermittent highways?
I too would suggest opening_hours. Seasonal is related to the climate and the climate does vary from one year to the next and may be why the tag has a 'loose description'. An annual festival is not usually held for an entire climatic season, so I would not use it for them. Similar argument with intermittent with the added argument that it is not water related. On 15/7/20 8:48 am, Justin Tracey wrote: If the festival is held at some date expressible using the opening hours syntax, you could use the "open hours" tag[0] or add conditions to the "access" tags[1]. Though these tend to represent temporary accessibility, not temporary existence the way "intermittent" or "seasonal"[2] do. I'll also note that "seasonal" is already used for non-waterway features, and depending on how much one wishes to stretch the definition of "season" (which is already a pretty loose concept, even on OSM), it could maybe be used here too? - Justin [0] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:opening_hours [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:seasonal On 2020-07-14 12:22 p.m., John Sturdy wrote: I've been adding some detail to a site that is used annually for a festival (not happening this year because of Covid-19), where there are paths in the same place year after year, but the paths are not there when the festival is not happening, although increased wear on the ground around them is probably visible much of the time. Does it make sense to map such paths, perhaps borrowing the "intermittent" tag from waterway tagging? __John ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Intermittent highways?
If the festival is held at some date expressible using the opening hours syntax, you could use the "open hours" tag[0] or add conditions to the "access" tags[1]. Though these tend to represent temporary accessibility, not temporary existence the way "intermittent" or "seasonal"[2] do. I'll also note that "seasonal" is already used for non-waterway features, and depending on how much one wishes to stretch the definition of "season" (which is already a pretty loose concept, even on OSM), it could maybe be used here too? - Justin [0] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:opening_hours [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:seasonal On 2020-07-14 12:22 p.m., John Sturdy wrote: > I've been adding some detail to a site that is used annually for a > festival (not happening this year because of Covid-19), where there > are paths in the same place year after year, but the paths are not > there when the festival is not happening, although increased wear on > the ground around them is probably visible much of the time. > > Does it make sense to map such paths, perhaps borrowing the > "intermittent" tag from waterway tagging? > > __John > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Intermittent highways?
I've been adding some detail to a site that is used annually for a festival (not happening this year because of Covid-19), where there are paths in the same place year after year, but the paths are not there when the festival is not happening, although increased wear on the ground around them is probably visible much of the time. Does it make sense to map such paths, perhaps borrowing the "intermittent" tag from waterway tagging? __John ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
