Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 9. May 2018, at 10:38, Erkin Alp Güney wrote: > > It can also be generalised to railways. railway=rail where road_level > corresponds to > > 0=high speed railroad (vmax>250km/h, no level crossings, fully -1, it is a bad idea to use a tag named

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-09 Thread Erkin Alp Güney
> Road level sounds to me like how high it is. Or on which level in a > complex crossing with fly-overs and stuff.  > Beside that, would it be a problem to add a key for generic road > classification while still keeping the old values? Users could use the > generic classification by preference,

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-09 Thread Peter Elderson
Road level sounds to me like how high it is. Or on which level in a complex crossing with fly-overs and stuff. Beside that, would it be a problem to add a key for generic road classification while still keeping the old values? Users could use the generic classification by preference, and default

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-09 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
8. May 2018 22:41 by pla16...@gmail.com : > The bit(s) that caused this whole thread to take place. :)  Let's try to > avoid this happening a year or two > down the line. > See the first post - I already changed wiki. I noticed that asking "I think that XYZ,

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-09 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
8. May 2018 22:56 by erkinalp9...@gmail.com : > I hereby propose a new tagging scheme. highway=primary ... tertiary > deprecated. highway=road road_level= where values > correspond to > > 0=trunk, 1=primary, 2=secondary, 3=tertiary etc. highway=motorway and > other

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-08 Thread Erkin Alp Güney
I hereby propose a new tagging scheme. highway=primary ... tertiary deprecated. highway=road road_level= where values correspond to 0=trunk, 1=primary, 2=secondary, 3=tertiary etc. highway=motorway and other special tags (pedestrian, footway, service, track, path, living_street etc.) would still

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-08 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 8:58 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 8. May 2018, at 11:26, Paul Allen wrote: > > > > Perhaps, if we reach a conclusion here, the documentation may need to be > > updated to make things a little

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 8. May 2018, at 11:26, Paul Allen wrote: > > Perhaps, if we reach a conclusion here, the documentation may need to be > updated to make things a little more clear. which part would you like to change / reword specifically? With regard to the

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-08 Thread Dave F
On 06/05/2018 13:28, Philip Barnes wrote: For unsigned references we use official_ref and prow_ref which will not appear on the standard map but can be rendered on more specialised maps. Back in May'15 on Talk-GB there was a discussion about this [1]. Highway_authority_ref was proposed as it

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-08 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 1:19 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: > Dave Swarthout writes: > > In the UK, there is a notion of A/B/C roads, and then unclassified. I > gather this means they are part of the network but not declared one of > A/B/C. > Not quite

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-07 Thread Tod Fitch
Reminds me of an earlier career where I sometime had to deal with sensitive documents. All documents had to classified: “Top Secret”, “Secret”, “Confidential”, etc. But if a document did not require clearance to access it was classified as “unclassified”. Basically anything that was not

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-07 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 7:19 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: > Dave Swarthout writes: > > > But when a highway has an officially assigned ref doesn't that define it > as > > "classified"? I don't have a large stake in this discussion but it would > > You would

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-07 Thread Greg Troxel
Dave Swarthout writes: > But when a highway has an officially assigned ref doesn't that define it as > "classified"? I don't have a large stake in this discussion but it would You would think. But no. In the UK, there is a notion of A/B/C roads, and then unclassified.

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-07 Thread Warin
+1 with Tod Fitch. The OSM/UK road types are relevant in the UK, but need to be translated for use elsewhere. On 08/05/18 04:53, Tod Fitch wrote: I sometimes think those of us who speak a dialect of English other than that of the UK should simply view tag values as “code words” and not worry

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-07 Thread Warin
Dave ... careful with the use of logic where OSM tagging is concerned. The road values come from the UK system, and need to be adapted to other places. So 'unclassified' may be translated to some type of road in another part of the world that could carry a reference. On 07/05/18 22:02, Dave

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-07 Thread Tod Fitch
I sometimes think those of us who speak a dialect of English other than that of the UK should simply view tag values as “code words” and not worry about the definition is. We already have wiki pages dedicated to helping translate local road levels into OSM/UK road classifications. Just accept

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-07 Thread Erkin Alp Güney
Russia is an example of this, they have many unpaved quarternary and quinary roads. 07-05-2018 21:13 tarihinde Kevin Kenny yazdı: > On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 12:47 PM, yo paseopor > wrote: > > The topic is the classification of OSM is not the

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-07 Thread Erkin Alp Güney
OSM use is all D roads and rural U roads. Urban U roads are highway=residential. 07-05-2018 17:35 tarihinde Rory McCann yazdı: > On 06/05/18 09:41, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: >> I am pretty sure that it is entirely possible to have >> highway=unclassified >> with officially assigned and posted ref

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-07 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 12:47 PM, yo paseopor wrote: > The topic is the classification of OSM is not the same as countries have, > and this make troubles. An UNCLASSIFIED road as its name says it is > unclassified...but when you need some road classification with a step more

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 7. May 2018, at 18:47, yo paseopor wrote: > > Also it is the same problem with trunk or primary: whatis the difference > between trunk of one lane per direction and a primary road? in Germany and Italy (and probably some more places) the

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-07 Thread Paul Johnson
That's basically the highway=unclassified tag. On Mon, May 7, 2018, 12:07 Vao Matua wrote: > There are many places where people live in Africa that could be tagged as > Rural_Residential if that tag existed. > > On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Dave Swarthout

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-07 Thread Vao Matua
There are many places where people live in Africa that could be tagged as Rural_Residential if that tag existed. On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Dave Swarthout wrote: > yopaseopor wrote: I suggest to reclassify the other roads in their grades > to make unclassified

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-07 Thread Dave Swarthout
yopaseopor wrote: I suggest to reclassify the other roads in their grades to make unclassified roads unclassified as the name says it. +1 I agree with your view but this topic is full of issues. In Thailand, for example, we use "unclassified" for any highway that a) has no ref, and b), is

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-07 Thread yo paseopor
The topic is the classification of OSM is not the same as countries have, and this make troubles. An UNCLASSIFIED road as its name says it is unclassified...but when you need some road classification with a step more than tertiary then you use unclassified, and if the road has ref...you put in

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-07 Thread Richard Welty
On 5/7/18 10:35 AM, Rory McCann wrote: > On 06/05/18 09:41, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: >> I am pretty sure that it is entirely possible to have >> highway=unclassified >> with officially assigned and posted ref number, but I wanted to check >> whatever my edit on >>

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-07 Thread Rory McCann
On 06/05/18 09:41, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: I am pretty sure that it is entirely possible to have highway=unclassified with officially assigned and posted ref number, but I wanted to check whatever my edit on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dunclassified was correct. Yes it

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-07 Thread Dave Swarthout
But when a highway has an officially assigned ref doesn't that define it as "classified"? I don't have a large stake in this discussion but it would seem to me that any road so ranked by the authorities should not be tagged as unclassified. My 2 cents Dave On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 12:19 PM,

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-06 Thread Andrew Hain
The use of the ref tag for highway authority road numbers is controversial in the UK (no road with a signed number would be as low as highway=unclassified). There may be better examples in other countries. -- Andrew From: Philip Barnes

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-06 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 7:28 AM, Philip Barnes wrote: > On Sun, 2018-05-06 at 09:41 +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > I am pretty sure that it is entirely possible to have > > highway=unclassified > > with officially assigned and posted ref number, but I wanted to check >

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-06 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 2:41 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > I am pretty sure that it is entirely possible to have highway=unclassified > with officially assigned and posted ref number, but I wanted to check > whatever my edit on

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-06 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2018-05-06 at 09:41 +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > I am pretty sure that it is entirely possible to have > highway=unclassified > with officially assigned and posted ref number, but I wanted to check > whatever my edit on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3 > Dunclassified

[Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-06 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
I am pretty sure that it is entirely possible to have highway=unclassified with officially assigned and posted ref number, but I wanted to check whatever my edit on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dunclassified was