Re: [Tagging] Landuse=farmyard vs residential
On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 at 03:04, John Willis via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > > > On Jun 13, 2019, at 4:22 PM, Paul Allen wrote: > > > > Conversion of farm buildings to residential buildings is not only > possible, it's frequent in > > some parts of the world. > > Very true, but even a house or cottage inside a working farmyard would > still be on a landuse mapped as a farmyard. That's how I've handled it. The building may no longer be =shed or farm_auxiliary, I think you will find there is some dispute over that. Some people would insist that the building is still a farm_auxiliary or cowshed or stable because building=* is meant to describe physical characteristics not usage. I'm not a purist on the matter, but when I read that a holiday cottage is a converted stable, building=stable seems natural. > but unless the activity of the farm ceases (and becomes merely a > residential living area or a commercial resort), I think it would still be > on a landuse=farmyard. > I'd generally agree. If you can have tractors and muck-spreaders going past your window all day long, it's still a farmyard. One exception I made is where part of the farmyard has been sold off with walls/fencing erected to separate it and each chunk of land having its own driveway. In that particular case the split-off land has two holiday cottages run by different individuals than the farmer who has his own holiday cottage in a converted building in the farmyard. -- Paul ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Landuse=farmyard vs residential
> On Jun 13, 2019, at 4:22 PM, Paul Allen wrote: > > Conversion of farm buildings to residential buildings is not only possible, > it's frequent in > some parts of the world. Very true, but even a house or cottage inside a working farmyard would still be on a landuse mapped as a farmyard. The building may no longer be =shed or farm_auxiliary, but unless the activity of the farm ceases (and becomes merely a residential living area or a commercial resort), I think it would still be on a landuse=farmyard. Not many people want to stay in the mud and bamboo walled house with a collapsed roof and broken windows next to the garbage burn pile here in Japan. The tiny private farmyards I am mapping have their charms, but they are not picture postcard material. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Landuse=farmyard vs residential
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 at 02:25, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Usually they won't be used for residential purposes .. unless they have > been demolished. > Around here a LOT of farms have converted at least one outbuilding to a holiday cottage. Most are still working farms. In some cases the conversions have been sold off as permanent residences. Farming is hard and unrewarding these days, so conversion to holiday lets brings in an alternative source of income whilst selling off the conversion brings in capital. Farms that become uneconomic can end up with all the buildings being conversions for residential use. There's also an element of planning permission to this. Permission to put up an outbuilding goes through very easily. Permission for conversion to worker accommodation is relatively easy to get. Selling off worker accommodation as no longer required is OK too. It tends to be the case that older outbuilding conversions are used as holiday cottages because they're seen as having more charm, and given names like The Stables, The Dairy, etc. Conversion of farm buildings to residential buildings is not only possible, it's frequent in some parts of the world. -- Paul ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Landuse=farmyard vs residential
On 12/06/19 23:25, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 12. Jun 2019, at 15:04, John Willis via Tagging wrote: Am I right to consider these old-style family farm complexes landuse=farmyard? I would generally respond yes, but if they aren’t actually used by farmers any more, something like landuse=residential with historic=farmyard might eventually be better. Usually they won't be used for residential purposes .. unless they have been demolished. I think landuse=framyard is fine - if still in use. If not in use then disused:landuse=farmyard would be better. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Landuse=farmyard vs residential
sent from a phone > On 12. Jun 2019, at 15:04, John Willis via Tagging > wrote: > > Am I right to consider these old-style family farm complexes landuse=farmyard? I would generally respond yes, but if they aren’t actually used by farmers any more, something like landuse=residential with historic=farmyard might eventually be better. Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Landuse=farmyard vs residential
I'm trying to map rural farming hamlets, and because land is at a premium in Japan, a single farmers "family" will have a small area with a very old abandoned collapsing house filled with old farming junk, an old house, a new house, a old stone storehouse or barn, several tractor garages/toolsheds, and piles and piles of farming garbage and stuff. larger ones have tiny cowsheds or additional crop processing equipment. Most of the buildings are adjacent or touching inside this single farmers walled/fenced area, around a small driveway. These are *separate* from the land they actually farm. These traditional farmyards are often clustered tighlty together to form a small hamlet which have been overgrown by modern residential suburban sprawl with proper roads if they are near a modern city. To me, these areas seem to be landuse=farmyard. The fields these farmers operate are being sold off (as they age and stop farming the land) and being turned into straight landuse=residential areas, and eventually these modern rectangular-grid residential areas (full of non-farmers) end up living around these old hamlet-style multi-generational farming complexes. Am I right to consider these old-style family farm complexes landuse=farmyard? Javbw ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
