Re: [Tagging] Livestock=* to specify the livestock animals in a farmyard or meadow?

2019-08-19 Thread Warin
First. What is to be mapped? The presence of animals? Or The animal output of a agricultural feature? Once I have that answer I can respond to that issue rather than provide multiple answers that confuse. The first post talks of both presence and output, while the subject says presence.

Re: [Tagging] Livestock=* to specify the livestock animals in a farmyard or meadow?

2019-08-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Re: produce, It's much harder for a mapper to find out if a herd of goats is used to produce milk, meat or cheese than to just tag "there are goats here", even if you are doing a local survey. Unless the farm has a sign like "Farmer Joe's Eggs", it's not easy to tell if chickens are raised for

Re: [Tagging] Livestock=* to specify the livestock animals in a farmyard or meadow?

2019-08-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 19. Aug 2019, at 15:28, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > If we remove the animal=yes tags, there are about 247 uses of animal=* > on landuse=farmyard, landuse=meadow, and landuse=farmland combined, so > it's not huge. animal=yes/no would already be a quite useful

Re: [Tagging] Livestock=* to specify the livestock animals in a farmyard or meadow?

2019-08-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 19. Aug 2019, at 15:20, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > similar and in many places it can be hard to distinguish hay meadow > from grazing pasture during most of the year. the presence of a fence aiming at keeping the animals inside may be an indication, although not

Re: [Tagging] Livestock=* to specify the livestock animals in a farmyard or meadow?

2019-08-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 19. Aug 2019, at 13:13, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > So the produce key is used for the output, if that is live animals then they > can be tagged that way. > If the output is milk then produce=milk not produce=cow. +1, similarly for chicken, which are

Re: [Tagging] Livestock=* to specify the livestock animals in a farmyard or meadow?

2019-08-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 19. Aug 2019, at 12:35, marc marc wrote: > > 16% of landuse=farmyard have a anima=* tag. > I didn't understand what argument to hope that the > current most used tag would change in favor of a marginal tag. generally I would expect a farmyard to contain several

Re: [Tagging] Livestock=* to specify the livestock animals in a farmyard or meadow?

2019-08-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 19. Aug 2019, at 12:17, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > Unfortunately, the key animal=* has also been used for zoo animals > (see elephant, etc) and some of the values are rare, proposed separate > features like animal=wellness and animal=cemetery. I would not see a

Re: [Tagging] Livestock=* to specify the livestock animals in a farmyard or meadow?

2019-08-19 Thread marc marc
Le 19.08.19 à 15:28, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : >>> The tag livestock=* >>> used 132 times >> >> 16% of landuse=farmyard have a animal=* tag. > > I think you misread taginfo. you're right. > If we remove the animal=yes tags in stead of a replay, can you explain why those valid datas need to be

Re: [Tagging] Livestock=* to specify the livestock animals in a farmyard or meadow?

2019-08-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
>> The tag livestock=* >> used 132 times > > 16% of landuse=farmyard have a animal=* tag. I think you misread taginfo. There are over 800,000 landuse=farmyard features, and only 1764 have an animal=* tag, so that is 0.22% - the 16% on the right means that 16% of uses of animal are found on

Re: [Tagging] Livestock=* to specify the livestock animals in a farmyard or meadow?

2019-08-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
1) Landuse=meadow has been used for pastures for a very long time, and the wiki page and definition make it clear that this is fine. Previously landuse=pasture was proposed, but rejected since it's quite similar and in many places it can be hard to distinguish hay meadow from grazing pasture

Re: [Tagging] Livestock=* to specify the livestock animals in a farmyard or meadow?

2019-08-19 Thread marc marc
Le 19.08.19 à 13:34, Paul Allen a écrit : > On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 at 12:16, Warin wrote: >I like property tags that can be used anywhere appropriate. > > The authors of at least one editor disagree with you there. > Unless all of the possible > values are applicable to all objects for which

Re: [Tagging] Livestock=* to specify the livestock animals in a farmyard or meadow?

2019-08-19 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 at 12:16, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: That is a negative for me, I like property tags that can be used anywhere > appropriate. > The authors of at least one editor disagree with you there. Unless all of the possible values are applicable to all objects for which

Re: [Tagging] Livestock=* to specify the livestock animals in a farmyard or meadow?

2019-08-19 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 at 11:21, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > Landuse=meadow can be tagged with meadow=pasture or > =paddock, but again this does not specify the type of animal in the > pasture. > There are two problems with that statement. 1) In normal usage, a pasture is not a category of meadow.

Re: [Tagging] Livestock=* to specify the livestock animals in a farmyard or meadow?

2019-08-19 Thread Warin
On 19/08/19 20:17, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: What is the best tag to specify the livestock animals in a farmyard or meadow? I checked, and currently a number of farmyards are tagged with farmyard=*, but most values describe the feature, like farmyard=feedlot. Landuse=meadow can be tagged with

Re: [Tagging] Livestock=* to specify the livestock animals in a farmyard or meadow?

2019-08-19 Thread marc marc
Le 19.08.19 à 12:17, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > The tag animal=* has been 2137 times > animal=yes (unhelpful!) I wonder why it's useless. if the contributor does not know if they are cows or calves, this allows him to enter "there are farm animals there" and any application can easily target

[Tagging] Livestock=* to specify the livestock animals in a farmyard or meadow?

2019-08-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
What is the best tag to specify the livestock animals in a farmyard or meadow? I checked, and currently a number of farmyards are tagged with farmyard=*, but most values describe the feature, like farmyard=feedlot. Landuse=meadow can be tagged with meadow=pasture or =paddock, but again this does