Re: [Tagging] Mapping of indigenous sacred / ceremonial sites

2019-04-04 Thread Mateusz Konieczny



Apr 4, 2019, 8:37 AM by 61sundow...@gmail.com:

>   What sites, in the rest of the world, are not mapped and what
> justification is there for not mapping them?
>  
>  Military sites, for example, usually don't get a lot of detail. 
>
Military sites in Poland are frequently poorly mapped but mostly due to lack of 
access not deliberate
refusal to map it.

In Poland there was proposal to stop mapping speed cameras, it was rejected.

Somebody asked about mapping nesting sites, it was considered as a poor idea 
with sole exception
of birds_nest=stork *goes to wiki to document tag and explain the difference*

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:birds_nest%3Dstork 


In general places that are not signposted - for example discrete homeless 
shelters or
shelters for victims of violence are not mapped. Both because it would make 
their job
harder and because it goes against mapping only verifiable objects.

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Re: [Tagging] Mapping of indigenous sacred / ceremonial sites

2019-04-04 Thread Warin

On 03/04/19 20:41, Phake Nick wrote:
There are religion=chinese_folk and religion=vietnamese_folk for 
indigenous religion for Chinese people and Vietnamese people, you 
might wish to check is there similar existing value in use for 
Australian aboriginal religious sites, if not you might wish to create 
a new value.


My small knowledge of Australian Aboriginal sites is;

Some sites are well known and sign posted .. so those can be mapped, 
publicly available information.


Some sites are 'open' but only through a paid system. Some times these 
are simple area access fees. Other sites you must be accompanied by a guide.

I'd think those can be mapped. They do want some customers.

Some sites they do not want on a public map... difficult when there is 
construction or mining in the area. I refuse to map these.


Some sites are closed to anyone not approved by the elders... to the 
extent that the road is closed going past it for 100s of kilometres.. 
and has been for decades. I would refuse to map these, if I knew where 
they were.


What sites, in the rest of the world, are not mapped and what 
justification is there for not mapping them?


Military sites, for example, usually don't get a lot of detail.



在 2019年4月3日週三 05:30,Graeme Fitzpatrick > 寫道:


There has been a recent discussion on the Australia list regarding
mapping of sites that may be considered sacred by the indigenous
peoples of that area
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2019-April/012538.html ,
& the question has been asked as to how it's done (or not!) in
other parts of the World?

Is there an OSM policy on mapping sacred / ceremonial sites?

Are there any other places where the local original inhabitants
may not want their sites mapped, & how did you work it out?

Thanks

Graeme
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Re: [Tagging] Mapping of indigenous sacred / ceremonial sites

2019-04-03 Thread Phake Nick
There are religion=chinese_folk and religion=vietnamese_folk for indigenous
religion for Chinese people and Vietnamese people, you might wish to check
is there similar existing value in use for Australian aboriginal religious
sites, if not you might wish to create a new value.

在 2019年4月3日週三 05:30,Graeme Fitzpatrick  寫道:

> There has been a recent discussion on the Australia list regarding mapping
> of sites that may be considered sacred by the indigenous peoples of that
> area
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2019-April/012538.html ,
> & the question has been asked as to how it's done (or not!) in other parts
> of the World?
>
> Is there an OSM policy on mapping sacred / ceremonial sites?
>
> Are there any other places where the local original inhabitants may not
> want their sites mapped, & how did you work it out?
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
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Re: [Tagging] Mapping of indigenous sacred / ceremonial sites

2019-04-02 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Thanks Clifford

Some good points there.

Suspected that the same issues may have come up in the US & Canada,
especially if the Supreme Court decides to return the lands to the various
Nations!

Hoping for input from other areas

Thanks

Graeme


On Wed, 3 Apr 2019 at 10:08, Clifford Snow  wrote:

>
> Great question. We have a number of tribal lands in Washington State in
> the US. I'd really like to see the areas mapped better but I'm reluctant
> for the very reason you are asking. I know a number of their GIS staff and
> have asked for help getting in touch with someone in the tribe that may be
> interested in mapping their community. So far I haven't gotten anywhere. My
> goal in asking for a contact is to introduce OSM to them and let the tribe
> decide what to map and what not to. Paul Norman and I have discussed
> proposing that they use their native language on features to help preserve
> their culture.
>
> So my answer is, introduce OSM to the local indigenous peoples in your
> area. Explain the benefits of mapping and offer to help setup training
> sessions. But other than mapping roads, forests, water and other obvious
> features, I'd let the locals map their own community. I think once we get
> them involved we will see more interest in other tribes
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Re: [Tagging] Mapping of indigenous sacred / ceremonial sites

2019-04-02 Thread Clifford Snow
On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 2:29 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick 
wrote:

> There has been a recent discussion on the Australia list regarding mapping
> of sites that may be considered sacred by the indigenous peoples of that
> area
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2019-April/012538.html ,
> & the question has been asked as to how it's done (or not!) in other parts
> of the World?
>
> Is there an OSM policy on mapping sacred / ceremonial sites?
>
> Are there any other places where the local original inhabitants may not
> want their sites mapped, & how did you work it out?
>
>

Great question. We have a number of tribal lands in Washington State in the
US. I'd really like to see the areas mapped better but I'm reluctant for
the very reason you are asking. I know a number of their GIS staff and have
asked for help getting in touch with someone in the tribe that may be
interested in mapping their community. So far I haven't gotten anywhere. My
goal in asking for a contact is to introduce OSM to them and let the tribe
decide what to map and what not to. Paul Norman and I have discussed
proposing that they use their native language on features to help preserve
their culture.

So my answer is, introduce OSM to the local indigenous peoples in your
area. Explain the benefits of mapping and offer to help setup training
sessions. But other than mapping roads, forests, water and other obvious
features, I'd let the locals map their own community. I think once we get
them involved we will see more interest in other tribes.

Best,
Clifford

>
>
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[Tagging] Mapping of indigenous sacred / ceremonial sites

2019-04-02 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
There has been a recent discussion on the Australia list regarding mapping
of sites that may be considered sacred by the indigenous peoples of that
area
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2019-April/012538.html ,
& the question has been asked as to how it's done (or not!) in other parts
of the World?

Is there an OSM policy on mapping sacred / ceremonial sites?

Are there any other places where the local original inhabitants may not
want their sites mapped, & how did you work it out?

Thanks

Graeme
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