Re: [Tagging] Micro- and macromapping with area=*

2015-03-31 Thread John F. Eldredge
Among other reasons, a managed forest, if it stops being actively managed, will gradually revert over time into a wild woodland, as other species start moving back in. On March 31, 2015 5:16:10 PM CDT, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > > > Am 31.03.2015 um 12:52 schrieb Daniel Koć : > >

Re: [Tagging] Micro- and macromapping with area=*

2015-03-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 31.03.2015 um 12:52 schrieb Daniel Koć : > > So we have a simple hierarchy: > > landuse (implies)=> landcover no, it doesn't imply > > but you have to know there is a "use" at all to tag it as "landuse". Since > the trees may not be used (like in natural=wood), your statement is fa

Re: [Tagging] Micro- and macromapping with area=*

2015-03-31 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 31.03.2015 10:18, Martin Koppenhoefer napisał(a): I have for long been promoting a clearer approach for this kind of mess, and I agree that there would be need to implement some changes. While my propositions are much more than this (I'd like to fix more fundamental issues), I'm happy

Re: [Tagging] Micro- and macromapping with area=*

2015-03-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-03-31 0:37 GMT+02:00 Daniel Koć : > > OSM was started as a middle-scale map of a big European city, hence: > > 1. Highways were meant to be just crossing lines from GPS (=just routing > and macro-to-middle-scale rendering). > +1, and this hasn't changed. area:highway is a completely differe

Re: [Tagging] Micro- and macromapping with area=*

2015-03-30 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 30.03.2015 22:24, fly napisał(a): In general area=yes/no is broken. Usually, there should not be a problem to get the information from the object (type). You seem to be talking about interpreting data already in the database ("forest is an area" - of course! =} ), while I'm talking ab

Re: [Tagging] Micro- and macromapping with area=*

2015-03-30 Thread fly
Am 30.03.2015 um 17:02 schrieb Daniel Koć: In general area=yes/no is broken. Usually, there should not be a problem to get the information from the object (type). With some tags which are valid for closed (area) and unclosed ways we have problems and the best we can do, is to define one solution

Re: [Tagging] Micro- and macromapping with area=*

2015-03-30 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 30.03.2015 18:07, Mateusz Konieczny napisał(a): Mapping street areas should not use [highway=*; area=yes] - [area:highway=*] is much better. That's exactly what was proposed regarding street areas: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Street_area#Tagging but I wouldn't

Re: [Tagging] Micro- and macromapping with area=*

2015-03-30 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Mapping street areas should not use [highway=*; area=yes] - [area:highway=*] is much better. highway=pedestrian, highway=footway for squares are special cases as square may and typically is traversed using any route. Also some [highway=service; area=yes] fit (some parkings and similar places) as i

[Tagging] Micro- and macromapping with area=*

2015-03-30 Thread Daniel Koć
Lately I was trying to rethink our general tagging schemes and came up with the impression that areas half-designed part of OSM tagging system. IMO we have 2 problems with it: small one in microscale and a big one in macroscale, but most probably we can deal with them separately. *** In micr