Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-08-12 Thread Szem
Hi, I begun to use the "permit" tag, what is the correct tagging for these categories? - Roads found in Waterworks area (You could get permit only for biking and walking, no cars except for their own ones) access=private, motor_vehicle / vehicle = private ? bicycle=permit, foot=permit,

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-08-09 Thread Szem
I've done it. I've translated all the main paraghraphs into Hungarian and sent the links of proposal page and others to openstreetmap-hungary list. I hope more mappers are going to use the access=permit tag. 2018.08.07. 22:57 keltezéssel, Martin Koppenhoefer írta: sent from a phone On 7.

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-08-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 8. Aug 2018, at 19:42, Szem wrote: > > Other mappers and me are just an absolute minimum, negligible part of the > whole community. Until this is not included in the wiki, it is hardly known > by anyone. it is already included in the wiki, there’s the proposal

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-08-08 Thread Adam Franco
On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 8:11 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > I haven't forgotten. I'm just going through a crunch time at work, and > haven't had time to draft the thing formally. > As mentioned by Paul earlier in this thread, it looks like you already put together a pretty solid draft two years ago

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-08-08 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 10:11 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Yep, Kevin's proposal solves a lot of problems. > > Let's try to push it along & get it approved. I haven't forgotten. I'm just going through a crunch time at work, and haven't had time to draft the thing formally.

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-08-08 Thread Szem
Other mappers and me are just an absolute minimum, negligible part of the whole community. Until this is not included in the wiki, it is hardly known by anyone. Someone said that this is not a condition for appearance or I misunderstoodsg? Szem 2018.08.07. 22:57 keltezéssel, Martin

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-08-07 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Yep, Kevin's proposal solves a lot of problems. Let's try to push it along & get it approved. Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-08-07 Thread Dave Swarthout
> use the tag yourself and encourage other mappers to do the same. I agree. And I have already used such tagging for a few lakes in Alaska that require exactly the sort of permit Kevin is talking about. The permit to fish those lakes is more or less a formality; anybody can get one and they are

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-08-07 Thread marc marc
Le 08. 08. 18 à 00:59, Dave Swarthout a écrit : > > use the tag yourself and encourage other mappers to do the same. and/or understand the criticisms and try to improve the proposal. because when I read in a message that everyone approved... either a lot of messages are lost, or it's

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-08-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 7. Aug 2018, at 21:53, Szem wrote: > > How can I support it to make progress? use the tag yourself and encourage other mappers to do the same. Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-08-07 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 8:53 PM, Szem wrote: > I've tried and understand more or less. How can I support it to make > progress? > Mention the page on this list. We've done that. Ask the list for suggestions/comments. After a couple of weeks of that tell the list you're opening voting and open

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-08-07 Thread Szem
Sorry I'm so stupid, but what link I could +1 2018.08.07. 21:58 keltezéssel, Javier Sánchez Portero írta: +1 for access=permit I support it Regards, Javier El mar., 7 ago. 2018 20:38, Paul Allen > escribió: On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 8:26 PM, Szem

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-08-07 Thread Javier Sánchez Portero
+1 for access=permit I support it Regards, Javier El mar., 7 ago. 2018 20:38, Paul Allen escribió: > On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 8:26 PM, Szem wrote: > >> Thanks. I have three problems: it's a huge amount of texts :( and I do >> not speak english so good :(( and I do not understand truly the

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-08-07 Thread Szem
I've tried and understand more or less. How can I support it to make progress? 2018.08.07. 21:37 keltezéssel, Paul Allen írta: On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 8:26 PM, Szem > wrote: Thanks.I have three problems: it's a huge amount of texts :( and I do not speak

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-08-07 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 8:26 PM, Szem wrote: > Thanks. I have three problems: it's a huge amount of texts :( and I do > not speak english so good :(( and I do not understand truly the correlation > of this method and writing the wiki :((( > So what's the next? > Feed the text through google

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-08-07 Thread Szem
Thanks.I have three problems: it's a huge amount of texts :( and I do not speak english so good :(( and I do not understand truly the correlation of this method and writing the wiki :((( So what's the next? 2018.08.07. 20:56 keltezéssel, Paul Allen írta: On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 7:02 PM, Szem

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-08-07 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 7:02 PM, Szem wrote: > I've never done this before too. If I can help anyone I'll try... > I decided to start off a proposal page for you to flesh out. And when I tried, I found it was already there. Take a look at

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-08-07 Thread Szem
I've never done this before too. If I can help anyone I'll try... Szem 2018.08.02. 20:35 keltezéssel, Paul Allen írta: On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 7:10 PM, Kevin Kenny mailto:kevin.b.kenny+...@gmail.com>> wrote: Is there a documented process for putting a proposal?

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-08-02 Thread Andrew Hain
for intrinsically local tags. -- Andrew From: Szem Sent: 02 August 2018 20:35 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?) I would just ask that this proposal process is absolutely necessary

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-08-02 Thread Szem
I would just ask that this proposal process is absolutely necessary? (I don't want to bypass it simply I don't know) 2018.08.02. 21:25 keltezéssel, Marc Gemis írta: Kevin, Just to prepare you a bit: it's very well possible that you will get objections very late in the approval process. eg.

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-08-02 Thread Marc Gemis
Kevin, Just to prepare you a bit: it's very well possible that you will get objections very late in the approval process. eg. during the voting phase from people that never discussed the tag before. We've seen this e.g. with amenity/tourism=reception(_desk), where people just ignored all previous

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-08-02 Thread Paul Allen
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 7:10 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > Is there a documented process for putting a proposal? > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal_process > I'm certainly willing to draft the text, although I'm not going to be able > to do it before the weekend. Can someone else run

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-08-02 Thread Kevin Kenny
Is there a documented process for putting a proposal? I'm certainly willing to draft the text, although I'm not going to be able to do it before the weekend. Can someone else run the proposal process or at least guide me through it? On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 12:55 PM Szem wrote: > A couple of us

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-08-02 Thread Szem
A couple of us have said their opinion. It seems to me nobody have said the access=permit tag is useless. And now, what is the next step? Worldwide the 97% of editors have not read this mailing list. Without written a short explanation in the wiki only a few editor will use it, or they will use

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-07-30 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 5:56 AM Volker Schmidt wrote: > I would make the distinction bub from a map-data end-user's point of view: > can I walk/drive up to the place and obtain a permit on the fly, with or > without paying a "fee". The on-the-fly payment may include payment of > membership of

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-07-30 Thread Volker Schmidt
I would make the distinction bub from a map-data end-user's point of view: can I walk/drive up to the place and obtain a permit on the fly, with or without paying a "fee". The on-the-fly payment may include payment of membership of some kind on first entry, or similar arrangements. If access

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-07-29 Thread marc marc
Le 29. 07. 18 à 22:35, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : >> On 27. Jul 2018, at 17:53, marc marc wrote: >> I didn't understand how getting a license in your example is different >> from getting a license from a sports club. > I would understand that the permit will be obtained by everybody following

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-07-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 27. Jul 2018, at 17:53, marc marc wrote: > > I didn't understand how getting a license in your example is different > from getting a license from a sports club. I would understand that the permit will be obtained by everybody following the application rules, while

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-07-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 27. Jul 2018, at 17:53, marc marc wrote: > > what _I_ was saying is that despite your detailed explanations, > i still have not understood how the case you describe is different from > access=customers. some paths in the park of a castle are limited to the > customer

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-07-29 Thread Szem
2018.07.27. 23:47 keltezéssel, Kevin Kenny írta: On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 11:54 AM marc marc wrote: a good idea would be to explain with a (as easy as possible) example why access=customers or private does not fit for your need. If it was what you did in your previous email, sorry but I didn't

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-07-27 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 12:52 AM, Alan Grant wrote: Obtaining a TV licence in the UK or Ireland does not require demonstrating > the ability to operate a television! > To understand this, you need to understand the history of the thing. Before there were televisions there were radios. In the

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-07-27 Thread Alan Grant
On Sat, 28 Jul 2018, 00:28 Warin, <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > For me a 'licence' implies a certain level of skill or knowledge is > required - > e.g. licences for driving a vehicle, having a gun all should have tests of > skill and/or knowledge. > It is a formal process. > > A permit, on

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-07-27 Thread Warin
On 28/07/18 07:47, Kevin Kenny wrote: On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 11:54 AM marc marc wrote: a good idea would be to explain with a (as easy as possible) example why access=customers or private does not fit for your need. If it was what you did in your previous email, sorry but I didn't understand

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-07-27 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 11:54 AM marc marc wrote: > a good idea would be to explain with a (as easy as possible) example > why access=customers or private does not fit for your need. > If it was what you did in your previous email, sorry but I didn't > understand it, because your examples are too

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-07-27 Thread Szem
2018.07.27. 3:15 keltezéssel, Warin írta: ... Just use the tag. 245 in the data base now. As for fees they can be tagged with fee= tag As for the permit conditions .. well you could just tag permit=* I'd just do it. Overpass turbo shows a wide distribution around the world. It makes much

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-07-27 Thread marc marc
Le 27. 07. 18 à 02:45, Kevin Kenny a écrit : > On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 3:40 PM marc marc wrote: >> Le 26. 07. 18 à 19:39, Szem a écrit : >> imho *=licence is included in the current meaning of *=customers > > I understand that you are entirely convinced that your personal view > is the only

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-07-27 Thread Dave Swarthout
Here we go again. I have used access=permit in several instances. I'm clear on what it means and the differences between the various access tags. I'm using the tag and unless someone shows me a good reason why such tagging is proven incorrect in some way, I'll continue to use it. I'm betting

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-07-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 26. Jul 2018, at 19:39, Szem wrote: > > - Roads on the embankments (The longest ones in category. Driving by car > without permission is forbidden, other access is free. Some roads on the > embankments are free access): > The access tags are: access= private,

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-07-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 26. Jul 2018, at 19:39, Szem wrote: > > There is a significant difference compared to existing values (private, > permissive), because mostly anyone can ask permission for these roads (what > you get), but without it, entry is forbidden. That's why I've thought needs

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-07-27 Thread José G Moya Y .
Hi! For the rest of us Like Kevin, I followed this email list for a couple years. The first case I read about was the lakes of Alaska (Sept 21st 2017), but I'm sure there were more threads on this matter before. For cases where you get your permit on the entrance of a national park or similar,

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-07-27 Thread Javier Sánchez Portero
What's about access=license? For me it has the same meaning. It has 245 uses and is documented https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Dlicense. Javier 2018-07-27 6:22 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny : > 27. Lipiec 2018 03:38 od t...@fitchdesign.com: > > > My take is to toss an

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-07-26 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
27. Lipiec 2018 03:38 od t...@fitchdesign.com : > > My take is to toss an idea/problem into the list and see if there is anything > that comes back in the first few days that alters your opinion on how to tag. > Sometimes there are good suggestions that can improve

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-07-26 Thread Warin
On 27/07/18 11:38, Tod Fitch wrote: On Jul 26, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: The only outcome of that thread - and several threads on the same subject that preceded it - was that there was no consensus. I’ve been following the talk and tagging lists for a couple of years now and don’t

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-07-26 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Jul 26, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > > The only outcome of that thread - and several threads on the same > subject that preceded it - was that there was no consensus. I’ve been following the talk and tagging lists for a couple of years now and don’t think I’ve seen consensus on

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-07-26 Thread Warin
On 27/07/18 10:45, Kevin Kenny wrote: On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 3:40 PM marc marc wrote: Le 26. 07. 18 à 19:39, Szem a écrit : did you read the previous (a few month ago) thread about this kind of issue ? imho *=licence is included in the current meaning of *=customers The only outcome of that

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-07-26 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 3:40 PM marc marc wrote: > Le 26. 07. 18 à 19:39, Szem a écrit : > did you read the previous (a few month ago) thread about this kind of > issue ? > imho *=licence is included in the current meaning of *=customers The only outcome of that thread - and several threads on

Re: [Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-07-26 Thread marc marc
Le 26. 07. 18 à 19:39, Szem a écrit : > I'd like to draw your attention to a problem: did you read the previous (a few month ago) thread about this kind of issue ? imho *=licence is included in the current meaning of *=customers Regards, Marc ___

[Tagging] Missing access value (access=license / authorization?)

2018-07-26 Thread Szem
Hi, I'd like to draw your attention to a problem: There are many special roads in Hungary only used for prior authorization / permission. The total length of these roads are hundreds of kilometers. The type of permit applies to pedestrian / bike access or only motor vehicle depending on the