Re: [Tagging] Named gates
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 10:58 PM, Bill Ricker bill.n1...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com wrote: But there's no reason to change the tagging in my view. Just make a ticket and see if the mapnik team is willing to render those. Right, tag for database, not for render. I've created a ticket for this: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3943 -Josh ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Named gates
On 01/08/2011 13:12, Josh Doe wrote: On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 10:58 PM, Bill Ricker bill.n1...@gmail.com mailto:bill.n1...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com mailto:sander...@gmail.com wrote: But there's no reason to change the tagging in my view. Just make a ticket and see if the mapnik team is willing to render those. Right, tag for database, not for render. I've created a ticket for this: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3943 It would help if the ticket had some map links to examples of named gates. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Named gates
On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 12:33 AM, Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I just don't know any gates with names, exept city gates like the Menin gate in Ypres, but they can't be closed and I should not tag it as barrier=gate but rather as a building. I never heard of gates that can be closed and are still important enough to get a name. Some use cases: - stadiums tend to have named gates. Your ticket tells you which gate to enter at, and people use them to meet each other. - the local botanic gardens has named gates - they serve as landmarks (go in gate E, then down past the duck pond) - large industrial areas and research parks use them for deliveries etc. So it's really naming the entrance rather than the gate per se, but they're often called gate X. Steve ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Named gates
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com wrote: I've never seen a named gate where I would want the name to be rendered. I can immediately think of two gates that are such local or global landmarks their names should be rendered. http://www.cardcow.com/80793/johnson-gate-harvard-college-cambridge-massachusetts/ http://osm.org/go/ZfI4siQyI-- https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Brandenburg_Gate http://osm.org/go/0MbFCmM9-- The later has the building containing the gate and the way through the gate named, plus a node for the tourist site, which renders. But there's no reason to change the tagging in my view. Just make a ticket and see if the mapnik team is willing to render those. Right, tag for database, not for render. -- Bill @n1vux bill.n1...@gmail.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Named gates
On 29/07/2011 15:33, Sander Deryckere wrote: Well, I just don't know any gates with names, You not knowing is hardly a reason to not render. Please think of the wider picture. Dave F. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Named gates
2011/7/29 Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com: Well, I just don't know any gates with names, exept city gates like the Menin gate in Ypres, but they can't be closed and I should not tag it as barrier=gate but rather as a building. http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=historic%3Dcity_gate#tags 200x http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=man_made%3Dcity_gate#tags 6x http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=barrier%3Dcity_gate#tags 4x -- I'd add historic=city_gate to city gates. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Named gates
2011/7/30 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com You not knowing is hardly a reason to not render. Please think of the wider picture. Dave F. I also didn't say it shouldn't be rendered. I said that a ticket should be created and that the mapnik team should decide if it should be rendered. I just asked what kind of gate is a real gate (used as barrier, not as entrance like city gates) and is important enough to have a name. @Martin: historic=city_gate seems a good tag for city gates indeed, but the menin gate already has historic=monument, so I'll have to think about it. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Named gates
2011/7/30 Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com: @Martin: historic=city_gate seems a good tag for city gates indeed, but the menin gate already has historic=monument, so I'll have to think about it. you could think about removing historic=monument, it doesn't seem appropriate for a gate IMHO. See the wiki: An object, especially large and made of stone, built to remember and show respect to a person or group of people Monuments are often built in homage to past or present political/military leaders or religious figures / deities http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Dmonument at least I do not know about memorial gates. Maybe you are talking about an arch? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Named gates
This is going very off topic, sorry for hijacking the thread. But anyway, it was a city gate, distroyed in WWI and rebuild as a city gate and a monument for several thousand missing soldiers. After the tyne cot cemetry, it's the most important WWI monument of flanders. So it is both, monument and city gate. Op 30 jul. 2011 14:23 schreef M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com het volgende: 2011/7/30 Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com: @Martin: historic=city_gate seems a good tag for city gates indeed, but the menin gate already has historic=monument, so I'll have to think about it. you could think about removing historic=monument, it doesn't seem appropriate for a gate IMHO. See the wiki: An object, especially large and made of stone, built to remember and show respect to a person or group of people Monuments are often built in homage to past or present political/military leaders or religious figures / deities http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Dmonument at least I do not know about memorial gates. Maybe you are talking about an arch? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Named gates
I've noticed that barrier=gate nodes with a name=* tag don't show on the main OSM Mapnik layer. Is there another way I should be tagging this, or should I submit a ticket to change the OSM Mapnik stylesheet? In some areas gates are well known by their names, such as on military installations. -Josh ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Named gates
I've never seen a named gate where I would want the name to be rendered. But there's no reason to change the tagging in my view. Just make a ticket and see if the mapnik team is willing to render those. 2011/7/29 Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com I've noticed that barrier=gate nodes with a name=* tag don't show on the main OSM Mapnik layer. Is there another way I should be tagging this, or should I submit a ticket to change the OSM Mapnik stylesheet? In some areas gates are well known by their names, such as on military installations. -Josh ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Named gates
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.comwrote: I've never seen a named gate where I would want the name to be rendered. But there's no reason to change the tagging in my view. Just make a ticket and see if the mapnik team is willing to render those. I'm curious why you wouldn't want the name to be rendered? It's a useful landmark, and in some areas it's how directions are given (e.g. Fake Gate is closed at 9PM, so be sure and go through Example Gate instead). Thanks to XAPI, the database shows that 3,129 out of 221,793 (1.4%) barrier=gate nodes have a name, so this certainly won't overwhelm the map with new names. -Josh ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Named gates
Well, I just don't know any gates with names, exept city gates like the Menin gate in Ypres, but they can't be closed and I should not tag it as barrier=gate but rather as a building. I never heard of gates that can be closed and are still important enough to get a name. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Named gates
Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I just don't know any gates with names, exept city gates like the Menin gate in Ypres, but they can't be closed and I should not tag it as barrier=gate but rather as a building. I never heard of gates that can be closed and are still important enough to get a name. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging They tend to be at the perimeter of large, fenced-off areas, such as military compounds or major industrial developments. If they serve different purposes, such as visitors or third-party vehicles only being allowed to enter through specified gates, you are more likely to have names for the gates. In the case of the city gates you mention, they were once used to control access into and out of the city. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
