Re: [Tagging] OSM in French and Dutch [or any monolingual]
On 16-08-16 00:30, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone Il giorno 15 ago 2016, alle ore 23:37, Tijmen Stam ha scritto: A good samaritan could then write a script that in all officially multilangual areas why only in the "official" ones, and not in all multilingual areas? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] OSM in French and Dutch [or any monolingual]
sent from a phone > Il giorno 15 ago 2016, alle ore 23:37, Tijmen Stam ha > scritto: > > A good samaritan could then write a script that in all officially > multilangual areas why only in the "official" ones, and not in all multilingual areas? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] OSM in French and Dutch [or any monolingual]
On 11-08-16 18:38, André Pirard wrote: On 2016-08-09 11:37, joost schouppe wrote: Hi, Someone asked on Twitter about a rendering of OSM in Dutch and French to avoid the clutter of bilingual names in the standard rendering. https://twitter.com/iciBrussels/status/762743820358418432 The French render is easy, OSM France provides it. But how about a Dutch rendering? Do you know of one? It might be cool to create a little webmap on OSM.be with the three official languages. If you help me find a Dutch rendering, I can make that (I've just learned the basics about leaflet). It looks rather easy to make a style with mapbox, but you need to extract the data through Overpass for exotic languages like Dutch, so it would be a bit of a job to keep that up to date. I don't understand exactly what the problem is. OSM.org displays the names according to the Language preference of the browser (1). Precisely, it displays a name in the first language of that preference that matches one in the map. Else, it displays the common default name. E. g. if the preference is fr,ru : if name:fr exists, display it, else if name:ru exists, display it, else display name. Hence, to reliably display Dutch, the preference must be nl,... and name:nl must exist. Or name=* must be in Dutch, but see gotcha. That is a gotcha, of course. If name=French_name has been coded and a good soul adds mane:ru=России_имя, the fr,ru French speaker accepting Russian will see the Russian name. When adding name:ru=*, name:fr=* must also be added. This is especially strange in a region like Brussels. The law says that the names must be written in both fr and nl. But no Belgian sees that because their preference uses fr or nl. Only foreigners do. A good samaritan could then write a script that in all officially multilangual areas (think Brussels, certain areas of Canada, Fryslân etc) checks whether for each item which has a name:, a name: is also present, and, to get more political, whether a name (without lang) doesn't advance either of those languages. I am not that good samaritan though! Tijmen ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] OSM in French and Dutch [or any monolingual]
On 8/11/2016 9:38 AM, André Pirard wrote: Someone asked on Twitter about a rendering of OSM in Dutch and French to avoid the clutter of bilingual names in the standard rendering. https://twitter.com/iciBrussels/status/762743820358418432 The French render is easy, OSM France provides it. But how about a Dutch rendering? Do you know of one? It might be cool to create a little webmap on OSM.be with the three official languages. If you help me find a Dutch rendering, I can make that (I've just learned the basics about leaflet). It looks rather easy to make a style with mapbox, but you need to extract the data through Overpass for exotic languages like Dutch, so it would be a bit of a job to keep that up to date. I don't understand exactly what the problem is. OSM.org displays the names according to the Language preference of the browser (1). Joost is talking about rendering, not text on osm.org ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] OSM in French and Dutch [or any monolingual]
On 2016-08-09 11:37, joost schouppe wrote: > Hi, > > Someone asked on Twitter about a rendering of OSM in Dutch and French > to avoid the clutter of bilingual names in the standard rendering. > > https://twitter.com/iciBrussels/status/762743820358418432 > > The French render is easy, OSM France provides it. But how about a > Dutch rendering? Do you know of one? > > It might be cool to create a little webmap on OSM.be with the three > official languages. If you help me find a Dutch rendering, I can make > that (I've just learned the basics about leaflet). > > It looks rather easy to make a style with mapbox, but you need to > extract the data through Overpass for exotic languages like Dutch, so > it would be a bit of a job to keep that up to date. I don't understand exactly what the problem is. OSM.org displays the names according to the Language preference of the browser (1). Precisely, it displays a name in the first language of that preference that matches one in the map. Else, it displays the common default name. E. g. if the preference is fr,ru : if name:fr exists, display it, else if name:ru exists, display it, else display name. Hence, to reliably display Dutch, the preference must be nl,... and name:nl must exist. Or name=* must be in Dutch, but see gotcha. That is a gotcha, of course. If name=French_name has been coded and a good soul adds mane:ru=России_имя, the fr,ru French speaker accepting Russian will see the Russian name. When adding name:ru=*, name:fr=* must also be added. This is especially strange in a region like Brussels. The law says that the names must be written in both fr and nl. But no Belgian sees that because their preference uses fr or nl. Only foreigners do. So, what could be improved is * a &ln= in the OSM.org URL to force the preference and do without (1) o assuming a name:ll=* tag equal to name=* where ll is the only language of the names o or running a bot to add the name:ll=* names automatically Cheers André. (1) or the simulation of the browser's preference as Ben noted On 2016-08-09 16:31, Ben Laenen wrote: > On Tuesday 09 August 2016 11:37:58 joost schouppe wrote: >> Someone asked on Twitter about a rendering of OSM in Dutch and French >> to avoid the clutter of bilingual names in the standard rendering. > How about this one: http://mlm.jochentopf.com/ Fill in "nl" or "fr" in > the box to get the names rendered in those languages > Ben ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
