Re: [Tagging] POI data and Addresses on areas - Was: addresses on buildings

2020-01-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 12. Jan 2020, at 22:35, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > The map can't do everything all the time - at some stage, the driver has to > look out the windscreen & make some of the decisions themselves! this, and we can add all those places you mentioned so that everybody

Re: [Tagging] POI data and Addresses on areas - Was: addresses on buildings

2020-01-12 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 12 Jan 2020 at 21:40, Florian Lohoff wrote: > > And this is not solvable without mapper input as a huge area like > an Airport can not be mapped to a single "best point" on the > routable network. > & I don't think it will ever be simply solvable. Why are you driving to "the airport"?

Re: [Tagging] POI data and Addresses on areas - Was: addresses on buildings

2020-01-12 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Sun, 12 Jan 2020 at 06:38, Florian Lohoff wrote: > On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 09:39:44PM -0500, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > > I was thinking about this whole thing earlier. Caution, wall of text. > > > > At the risk of being philosophical, what is an address exactly? > > > > Our wiki doesn't

Re: [Tagging] POI data and Addresses on areas - Was: addresses on buildings

2020-01-12 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 09:39:44PM -0500, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > I was thinking about this whole thing earlier. Caution, wall of text. > > At the risk of being philosophical, what is an address exactly? > > Our wiki doesn't specify which address we're talking about: Thats not the issue i am

Re: [Tagging] POI data and Addresses on areas - Was: addresses on buildings

2020-01-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 11. Jan 2020, at 23:05, Volker Schmidt wrote: > >>> 13, Via Aeroporto, Orio al Serio, Italy >>> You get some ten results most of them with the correct address. > You replied >> first 11 results seemed all perfectly ok to get there :) > > But you missed the point. If

Re: [Tagging] POI data and Addresses on areas - Was: addresses on buildings

2020-01-11 Thread Volker Schmidt
Martin, I wrote > Just to illustrate the problem, try find this address on OSM: >> 13, Via Aeroporto, Orio al Serio, Italy >> You get some ten results most of them with the correct address. >> > You replied > first 11 results seemed all perfectly ok to get there :) > But you missed the point.

Re: [Tagging] POI data and Addresses on areas - Was: addresses on buildings

2020-01-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Sa., 11. Jan. 2020 um 12:35 Uhr schrieb Volker Schmidt : > Just to illustrate the problem, try find this address on OSM: > 13, Via Aeroporto, Orio al Serio, Italy > You get some ten results most of them with the correct address. > > first 11 results seemed all perfectly ok to get there :)

Re: [Tagging] POI data and Addresses on areas - Was: addresses on buildings

2020-01-11 Thread Volker Schmidt
Conclusion. SWe need a more flexible solution. An idea. For normal simple cases (small building, one address, placed on the map close and unambigously near the Street of the address), put the number on the building or on a node on the building polygon. For more complex cases (anything from the

Re: [Tagging] POI data and Addresses on areas - Was: addresses on buildings

2020-01-11 Thread Volker Schmidt
Sorry, my mail program got impatient and sent off an incomplete message. Here is the continuation: On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 at 12:31, Volker Schmidt wrote: > Just to illustrate the problem, try find this address on OSM: > 13, Via Aeroporto, Orio al Serio, Italy > You get some ten results most of

Re: [Tagging] POI data and Addresses on areas - Was: addresses on buildings

2020-01-11 Thread Volker Schmidt
Just to illustrate the problem, try find this address on OSM: 13, Via Aeroporto, Orio al Serio, Italy You get some ten results most of them with the correct address. Then try to find "Bergamo Orio al Serio Airport" and check the address. It's the one above. Than try to route to the Airport, say

Re: [Tagging] POI data and Addresses on areas - Was: addresses on buildings

2020-01-10 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Fri, 10 Jan 2020 at 18:04, Florian Lohoff wrote: > On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 09:34:32AM -0500, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > > On Fri, 10 Jan 2020 at 04:22, Florian Lohoff wrote: > > > OTOH in the dense urban areas you have the problem of Address for road A > > > nearer to Road B. So you get

Re: [Tagging] POI data and Addresses on areas - Was: addresses on buildings

2020-01-10 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 09:34:32AM -0500, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > On Fri, 10 Jan 2020 at 04:22, Florian Lohoff wrote: > > OTOH in the dense urban areas you have the problem of Address for road A > > nearer to Road B. So you get navigated to the wrong spot on the road > > network. This view is

Re: [Tagging] POI data and Addresses on areas - Was: addresses on buildings

2020-01-10 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 04:10:36PM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > it is already linked spatially. What you have to do is map the campsite as > area and map the reception within this area. Similarly for the parkings. > Routing software should solve this contextually. If I am walking I want to

Re: [Tagging] POI data and Addresses on areas - Was: addresses on buildings

2020-01-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Fr., 10. Jan. 2020 um 13:57 Uhr schrieb Florian Lohoff : > On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 12:37:21PM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > For big buildings/POIs mapped as areas, I would expect the routing engine > > to bring me to the main entrance, or if not available, any entrance. > > It

Re: [Tagging] POI data and Addresses on areas - Was: addresses on buildings

2020-01-10 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Fri, 10 Jan 2020 at 04:22, Florian Lohoff wrote: > OTOH in the dense urban areas you have the problem of Address for road A > nearer to Road B. So you get navigated to the wrong spot on the road > network. This view is generated with the OSRM Car profile and mapping > all addr:* objects with

Re: [Tagging] POI data and Addresses on areas - Was: addresses on buildings

2020-01-10 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 12:37:21PM +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > For big buildings/POIs mapped as areas, I would expect the routing engine > to bring me to the main entrance, or if not available, any entrance. I also It doesnt. It generates a centroid of the area, searches for the nearest

Re: [Tagging] POI data and Addresses on areas - Was: addresses on buildings

2020-01-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
For big buildings/POIs mapped as areas, I would expect the routing engine to bring me to the main entrance, or if not available, any entrance. I also have seen similar problems, for example with the biggest airport in Rome: https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=fco Routing starts about 8

Re: [Tagging] POI data and Addresses on areas - Was: addresses on buildings

2020-01-10 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 12:11:10PM +0100, Marc Gemis wrote: > > Footways are not part of the by car routeable network. And > > access=no/access=private or highway=track and neither. > This depends on the router, AFAIK Magic Earth navigates over private > roads. It even combines it with

Re: [Tagging] POI data and Addresses on areas - Was: addresses on buildings

2020-01-10 Thread Marc Gemis
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 11:58 AM Florian Lohoff wrote: > > Footways are not part of the by car routeable network. And > access=no/access=private or highway=track and neither. > This depends on the router, AFAIK Magic Earth navigates over private roads. It even combines it with

Re: [Tagging] POI data and Addresses on areas - Was: addresses on buildings

2020-01-10 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 10:48:02AM +0100, Marc Gemis wrote: > > OTOH in the dense urban areas you have the problem of Address for road A > > nearer to Road B. So you get navigated to the wrong spot on the road > > network. > > I don't understand what this has to do with addresses on buildings vs.

Re: [Tagging] POI data and Addresses on areas - Was: addresses on buildings

2020-01-10 Thread Marc Gemis
> > > > OTOH in the dense urban areas you have the problem of Address for road A > nearer to Road B. So you get navigated to the wrong spot on the road > network. > I don't understand what this has to do with addresses on buildings vs. nodes. I would expect that an address is converted to

[Tagging] POI data and Addresses on areas - Was: addresses on buildings

2020-01-10 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Thu, Jan 09, 2020 at 11:04:21PM +, marc marc wrote: > Le 06.01.20 à 08:47, Florian Lohoff a écrit : > > If you have HUGE Buildings i use a node with an address. > > it's amazing the difference in usage. > I find that addr nodes are very problematic for hudge buildings like > shopping malls