Re: [Tagging] Potale
2012/8/29 André Pirard a_pir...@hotmail.com ** On 2012-08-28 13:16, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote : 2012/8/28 André Pirard a_pir...@hotmail.com a_pir...@hotmail.com: I finally made it amenity: place_of_worship historic: wayside_shrine name: potale du Christ religion: christian which is exactly what it is, except that St Mary is actually worshiped there. -1 it is not what it is IMHO. place_of_worship is misleading. What do you tag/call a place where the people of the village gather or stop to celebrate St Mary? Seeing the sign on the IGN map, I first thought it was a chapel until I made a trip to see it. And it looks like they cherish it as the chapel they can't afford. IMHO the wayside_shrine already implies worshipping in some way. amenity=place_of_worship is used for churches, synagogues, temples, mosques and so on (note: all places where you enter/access the place for worshipping) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Church tagging these potales almost the same will probably lead to ambiguity. Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Potale
Hello, 2012/8/28 André Pirard a_pir...@hotmail.com ** On 2012-08-26 11:41, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote : 2012/8/26 Michael Krämer ohr...@gmail.com ohr...@gmail.com: How about historic=wayside_shrine? Unfortunately my French is rather limited so I basically could only look at the pictures in the Wikipedia. But this looked quite a bit like these wayside shrines. http://translate.google.be/translate?u=http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potalelangpair=auto|en More generally, visit this pagehttp://translate.google.com/translate_buttonsand follow the instructions to translate any page or text selection. And, great, it follows links!!! Sure, but the automatic translation only gives you the rough content but mostly misses the finer details. Everyone agreeing with my link to Wikipedia's *potale* in the OSM definition of wayside_shrine? Well, given the description I would rather link to http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bildstock or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayside_shrine instead. In fact most surprisingly there's also http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bildstock. So after some more digging into the finer details I think wayside shrine is probably not exactly the same as potale - at least not in German: A wayside shrine is something more or less standing freely [1] while a potale could also be a niche in another building. But having said so, I find would find it perfectly reasonable to use historic=wayside_shrine for both. If this is accepted I just would want to expand the description in the wiki accordingly to cover both. Michael [1] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Sankt-georgen-kaernten.jpg/611px-Sankt-georgen-kaernten.jpg [2] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/Potale%2C_quai_aux_foins_Bxl.JPG/389px-Potale%2C_quai_aux_foins_Bxl.JPG ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Potale
2012/8/28 André Pirard a_pir...@hotmail.com: I finally made it amenity: place_of_worship historic: wayside_shrine name: potale du Christ religion: christian which is exactly what it is, except that St Mary is actually worshiped there. -1 it is not what it is IMHO. place_of_worship is misleading. potale du Christ also does look like a description and not like a name. I am also not sure if a niche in a wall meets the definition for shrine (which is more something like a box I think). Please do not bend tags in use but define your own tags where needed. Everyone agreeing with my link to Wikipedia's potale in the OSM definition of wayside_shrine? no, please give an English definition in the wiki. Linking OSM definitions to wikipedia pages is very problematic, as this would mean that changes to the wikipedia page will change the meaning of objects in OSM. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Potale
André amenity: place_of_worship no historic: wayside_shrine yes name: potale du Christ only if this is the name given to the place by the local people or written on a plaque on the wall religion: christian ok, but optional There is some confusion with the definitions in Wikipedia. The article https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bildstock shows as Bildstock objects some of which, in OSM-speak, would be wayside_shrine and some wayside_cross. In my view the Wikipedia and the similar OSM definitions of wayside_shrine are to German-centric. The objects you want to represent for me fall clearly into the category of wayside shrine in the sense of the English words. Otherwise you could put it in the monument category. Volker ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Potale
2012/8/28 Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com: religion: christian ok, but optional I think it would be quite useful to add this in general (it's more explicit, if it is not set you might have certain expectations about the religion according to the area you are in, e.g. in Italy it would very probably be christian/roman catholic) Otherwise you could put it in the monument category. -1, most of the ones I have seen are too small and unimportant to be monuments. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Potale
On 2012-08-26 11:41, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote : 2012/8/26 Michael Krämer ohr...@gmail.com: How about historic=wayside_shrine? Unfortunately my French is rather limited so I basically could only look at the pictures in the Wikipedia. But this looked quite a bit like these "wayside shrines". http://translate.google.be/translate?u=http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potalelangpair=auto|en More generally, visit this page and follow the instructions to translate any page or text selection. And, great, it follows links!!! In the past I also used wayside_shrine for these (or similar ones) in Italy, where there is really lots of these niches with St. Mary or others saints inside, but this might merit also its own tag. We could distinguish between "freestanding boxes" and niches in walls and buildings, and use the shrine-tag only for the first. Yes my monument fits the definition of shrine, which is very broad, but restricted by wayside. But the picture is absolutely not descriptive, which, not knowing the word, made me miss the tag. I finally made it amenity: place_of_worship historic: wayside_shrine name: potale du Christ religion: christian which is exactly what it is, except that St Mary is actually worshiped there. Everyone agreeing with my link to Wikipedia's potale in the OSM definition of wayside_shrine? Thanks. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Potale
2012/8/26 Michael Krämer ohr...@gmail.com: How about historic=wayside_shrine? Unfortunately my French is rather limited so I basically could only look at the pictures in the Wikipedia. But this looked quite a bit like these wayside shrines. In the past I also used wayside_shrine for these (or similar ones) in Italy, where there is really lots of these niches with St. Mary or others saints inside, but this might merit also its own tag. We could distinguish between freestanding boxes and niches in walls and buildings, and use the shrine-tag only for the first. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Potale
probably we should also add a religion=christian (and maybe denomination) and we could invent a new tag to express to whow the object is dedicated. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
