Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=stationery, shop=office_supplies

2014-10-21 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-10-21 2:12 GMT+02:00 Dave Swarthout daveswarth...@gmail.com:

 I don't think there's much difference in reality as both sell paper, pens,
 ink and etc. However, the newer office supply places like Staples and
 Office Max are superstores that sell desks, computers, and other office
 furniture as well. When I think of stationary shops I think of smaller,
 more intimate spaces.




+1, I'd also see it this way, a stationary won't sell office furniture or
computers (would be more specialized in paper, card board, glue, pens,
...), while office supply stores would sell office furniture as well.
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Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=stationery, shop=office_supplies

2014-10-21 Thread SomeoneElse

On 21/10/2014 05:24, Toby Murray wrote:
... I considered Staples to be different enough to deserve a different 
tag. I am not convinced that I am right... just stating at how I 
arrived at my tagging decision.





... that was pretty much my thought process with shop=office_supplies too.

I'd be happy to reconsider, but it'd be nice to still have a way of 
telling the two apart by some form of sub-tag.


OSM's big strength is people on the ground able to classify things that 
don't fit neatly into categories, and which may not make any sense to 
someone looking at the data from elsewhere.


Cheers,

Andy


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Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=stationery, shop=office_supplies

2014-10-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2014-10-20 at 23:24 -0500, Toby Murray wrote:
 I know I have used office_supply for Staples. When I looked it up in
 the wiki, the stationery page did not include the examples of the
 office superstores and my impression was that it was intended for
 smaller shops, including the Hallmark shops that John mentions. I
 considered Staples to be different enough to deserve a different tag.
 I am not convinced that I am right... just stating at how I arrived at
 my tagging decision.

I would normally tag staples as office_supplies, but would be wary of
changing those tagged as stationary without a survey. It is possible
that they could have smaller stationary shops in places such as
university campuses.

Phil (trigpoint)
 
 
 Toby
 
 On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 10:37 PM, John F. Eldredge
 j...@jfeldredge.com wrote:
 I haven't noticed one for several years, but there used to be
 stores that specialized in selling greeting cards and small
 ornamental gifts. Hallmark greeting cards had a retail chain.
 
 
 
 On October 20, 2014 7:34:19 PM CDT, Paul Johnson
 ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:
 When I think of a stationery shop, I think of
 something like a FedEx Office minus the copiers and
 shipping.  When I think of an office supply store, I
 think of something like Office Depot, Office Max or
 Staples, which also sell office furniture, computers,
 adding machines, filing cabinets, etc.
 
 On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Matthijs Melissen
 i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote:
 Dear all,
 
 We have currently two tags with a closely
 related, if not identical,
 meaning: shop=stationery (8038 instances) and
 shop=office_supplies
 (177 instances).
 
 Is there a difference between these two tags,
 or should we deprecate
 shop=office_supplies in favour of
 shop=stationery?
 
 For example, Staples, a large multinational
 stationery/office supplies
 shop is tagged 380 times as shop=stationery
 and 48 times as
 shop=office_supplies.
 
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Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=stationery, shop=office_supplies

2014-10-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2014-10-20 at 22:37 -0500, John F. Eldredge wrote:
 I haven't noticed one for several years, but there used to be stores
 that specialized in selling greeting cards and small ornamental gifts.
 Hallmark greeting cards had a retail chain.
 
There are lots of these around, I have not noticed them going anywhere. 

They are certainly not stationary, although tagging does vary. Most seem
to fall under shop=gift, maybe with gift=cards. Shop=cards has 47 uses.

Phil (trigpoint)




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[Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=stationery, shop=office_supplies

2014-10-20 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all,

We have currently two tags with a closely related, if not identical,
meaning: shop=stationery (8038 instances) and shop=office_supplies
(177 instances).

Is there a difference between these two tags, or should we deprecate
shop=office_supplies in favour of shop=stationery?

For example, Staples, a large multinational stationery/office supplies
shop is tagged 380 times as shop=stationery and 48 times as
shop=office_supplies.

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Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=stationery, shop=office_supplies

2014-10-20 Thread Dave Swarthout
I don't think there's much difference in reality as both sell paper, pens,
ink and etc. However, the newer office supply places like Staples and
Office Max are superstores that sell desks, computers, and other office
furniture as well. When I think of stationary shops I think of smaller,
more intimate spaces.

I don't think my  observation will help to decide which to use but might
explain where the differences arose. Why some people would tag a Staples as
a stationary shop and others as an office_supply shop is beyond me. It's
just the way things happen on OSM I reckon.

Cheers,
Dave

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 7:01 AM, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl
 wrote:

 Dear all,

 We have currently two tags with a closely related, if not identical,
 meaning: shop=stationery (8038 instances) and shop=office_supplies
 (177 instances).

 Is there a difference between these two tags, or should we deprecate
 shop=office_supplies in favour of shop=stationery?

 For example, Staples, a large multinational stationery/office supplies
 shop is tagged 380 times as shop=stationery and 48 times as
 shop=office_supplies.

 -- Matthijs

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Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=stationery, shop=office_supplies

2014-10-20 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl
 wrote:

 We have currently two tags with a closely related, if not identical,
 meaning: shop=stationery (8038 instances) and shop=office_supplies
 (177 instances).

 Is there a difference between these two tags, or should we deprecate
 shop=office_supplies in favour of shop=stationery?

 For example, Staples, a large multinational stationery/office supplies
 shop is tagged 380 times as shop=stationery and 48 times as
 shop=office_supplies.


Before I read the wiki, I thought office_supplies would be a better
description to shops like Staples. However, wiki clearly says
shop=stationery includes office supply stores such as Staples and Office
Max/Depot.

JOSM and iD have presets for shop=stationary. In iD there is no results for
office supplies. Office points to Office Depot which will tag it as
stationery.

Based on history I agree that shop=office_supplies should be deprecated.

Clifford


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Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=stationery, shop=office_supplies

2014-10-20 Thread Paul Johnson
When I think of a stationery shop, I think of something like a FedEx Office
minus the copiers and shipping.  When I think of an office supply store, I
think of something like Office Depot, Office Max or Staples, which also
sell office furniture, computers, adding machines, filing cabinets, etc.

On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl
 wrote:

 Dear all,

 We have currently two tags with a closely related, if not identical,
 meaning: shop=stationery (8038 instances) and shop=office_supplies
 (177 instances).

 Is there a difference between these two tags, or should we deprecate
 shop=office_supplies in favour of shop=stationery?

 For example, Staples, a large multinational stationery/office supplies
 shop is tagged 380 times as shop=stationery and 48 times as
 shop=office_supplies.

 -- Matthijs

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Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=stationery, shop=office_supplies

2014-10-20 Thread John F. Eldredge
I haven't noticed one for several years, but there used to be stores that 
specialized in selling greeting cards and small ornamental gifts. Hallmark 
greeting cards had a retail chain.


On October 20, 2014 7:34:19 PM CDT, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:
When I think of a stationery shop, I think of something like a FedEx
Office
minus the copiers and shipping.  When I think of an office supply
store, I
think of something like Office Depot, Office Max or Staples, which also
sell office furniture, computers, adding machines, filing cabinets,
etc.

On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Matthijs Melissen
i...@matthijsmelissen.nl
 wrote:

 Dear all,

 We have currently two tags with a closely related, if not identical,
 meaning: shop=stationery (8038 instances) and shop=office_supplies
 (177 instances).

 Is there a difference between these two tags, or should we deprecate
 shop=office_supplies in favour of shop=stationery?

 For example, Staples, a large multinational stationery/office
supplies
 shop is tagged 380 times as shop=stationery and 48 times as
 shop=office_supplies.

 -- Matthijs

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Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=stationery, shop=office_supplies

2014-10-20 Thread Toby Murray
I know I have used office_supply for Staples. When I looked it up in the
wiki, the stationery page did not include the examples of the office
superstores and my impression was that it was intended for smaller shops,
including the Hallmark shops that John mentions. I considered Staples to be
different enough to deserve a different tag. I am not convinced that I am
right... just stating at how I arrived at my tagging decision.

Toby

On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 10:37 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com
wrote:

 I haven't noticed one for several years, but there used to be stores that
 specialized in selling greeting cards and small ornamental gifts. Hallmark
 greeting cards had a retail chain.



 On October 20, 2014 7:34:19 PM CDT, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org
 wrote:

 When I think of a stationery shop, I think of something like a FedEx
 Office minus the copiers and shipping.  When I think of an office supply
 store, I think of something like Office Depot, Office Max or Staples, which
 also sell office furniture, computers, adding machines, filing cabinets,
 etc.

 On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Matthijs Melissen 
 i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote:

 Dear all,

 We have currently two tags with a closely related, if not identical,
 meaning: shop=stationery (8038 instances) and shop=office_supplies
 (177 instances).

 Is there a difference between these two tags, or should we deprecate
 shop=office_supplies in favour of shop=stationery?

 For example, Staples, a large multinational stationery/office supplies
 shop is tagged 380 times as shop=stationery and 48 times as
 shop=office_supplies.

 -- Matthijs

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Re: [Tagging] Pre-RFC: shop=stationery, shop=office_supplies

2014-10-20 Thread Clifford Snow
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 9:24 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote:

 I know I have used office_supply for Staples. When I looked it up in the
 wiki, the stationery page did not include the examples of the office
 superstores and my impression was that it was intended for smaller shops,
 including the Hallmark shops that John mentions. I considered Staples to be
 different enough to deserve a different tag. I am not convinced that I am
 right... just stating at how I arrived at my tagging decision.


It looks like the wiki[1] was updated last December to add in the big box
office supply stores. It does seem like a small card/stationery shop is a
better match for shop=stationery. The big box stores like Staples would
better fit to shop=office_supplies. But unless the editor presets are
changed and someone changes existing tags, we should stick with the current
definition.

[1]An example of these in the USA would be Office Depot, Staples, and
Office Max.


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